Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything?

[JRoy]

One thing is for sure, Simons is tanking his value for those teams that thought he could play PG. Who knows what his value is right now...but it ain't good.

He isn’t a pg.

[Wizenheimer]

One thing is for sure, Simons is tanking his value for those teams that thought he could play PG. Who knows what his value is right now...but it ain't good.

He isn’t a pg.

classic tweener guard: undersized SG with mediocre PG skills who is terrible at defense. 10th straight season of the same failure

[Walton1one]

Let me put it another way. Do you give up an 11th pick (Howard) + 20th pick in 2025 for Simons? I wouldn't.

And Orlando will want that cap space for 2026 to resign Paolo. So, that might be a reason that they would do the deal but then they are doing a 2-year rental if you will.

If I were in ORL shoes, yes I would. They are actually a playoff team and Simons role there would not be what it is in POR. He would be the 6th man off the bench, coming in behind Suggs\KCP and if the fit is good, replacing KCP in 27/28

Paolo hits RFA in 26/27, Simons hits FA in 26/27, which lines up nicely. 2 years to evaluate how he fits and decide whether to resign or let go or make other appropriate moves to fit both.

Simons would be coming off a contract paying him $27.6mil when he hits FA.

Also in 26/27 offseason
KCP $21.6mil player option, he probably opts in
Black $10.1mil club option, ORL probably opt in
Da Silva $4mil club option, 1st one, ORL probably opts in
Joseph, Houston, M.Wagner all FA - they can shave off $27.6mil by waiving rights

[JRoy]

One thing is for sure, Simons is tanking his value for those teams that thought he could play PG. Who knows what his value is right now...but it ain't good.

He isn’t a pg.

classic tweener guard: undersized SG with mediocre PG skills who is terrible at defense. 10th straight season of the same failure

CJ minus

[dckingsfan]

Let me put it another way. Do you give up an 11th pick (Howard) + 20th pick in 2025 for Simons? I wouldn't.

And Orlando will want that cap space for 2026 to resign Paolo. So, that might be a reason that they would do the deal but then they are doing a 2-year rental if you will.

If I were in ORL shoes, yes I would. They are actually a playoff team and Simons role there would not be what it is in POR. He would be the 6th man off the bench, coming in behind Suggs\KCP and if the fit is good, replacing KCP in 27/28

Paolo hits RFA in 26/27, Simons hits FA in 26/27, which lines up nicely. 2 years to evaluate how he fits and decide whether to resign or let go or make other appropriate moves to fit both.

Simons would be coming off a contract paying him $27.6mil when he hits FA.

Also in 26/27 offseason
KCP $21.6mil player option, he probably opts in
Black $10.1mil club option, ORL probably opt in
Da Silva $4mil club option, 1st one, ORL probably opts in
Joseph, Houston, M.Wagner all FA - they can shave off $27.6mil by waiving rights

Okay, I can see your point. Nice research!

BTW, they won't opt out of Wagner's contract for two reasons. He has been one of their most reliable players and -- his brother.

I still wouldn't do it with Paolo's injury. They have lost 4 in a row since he went out, I think they could be in a pretty deep hole by the time he gets back (they are already tied for the 11th worst record, tank baby tank).

I would wait until next year to make that move (and use those two draft picks to see if I can land a meaningful PG. Black is already eating up most of the minutes at PG and I see 5 PGs coming out in this year's very strong draft along with a bunch of FA PGs that will be available in the off-season.

[zzaj]

One thing is for sure, Simons is tanking his value for those teams that thought he could play PG. Who knows what his value is right now...but it ain't good.

at 27M/year, I doubt he has much positive value. But I'm not sure if his crappy start to this season is impacting his value much. Maybe a little because this is the first time he's been the starting PG and as you say, it hasn't been pretty. I think the other 29 teams have the full book on what Simons is, and what he isn't, and there's no 1st round trade value in the summary

of course, Grant has been absolutely terrible too and that's not helping.

Yeah, the book has been out on Simons for a long while...I wish Cro-lshey would have read it.

Maybe it's just my perception, but I was still holding out hope that some team may have thought he would have value as a starting PG with other playmaking, because we'd only really seen it in snatches here and there. If those teams were there before, they sure aren't now.

What Simons offers teams is literally the exact same thing any random, hyper-scoring, second rounder can bring...at much less cost and with potentially more upside and size.

[BlazersBroncos]

One thing is for sure, Simons is tanking his value for those teams that thought he could play PG. Who knows what his value is right now...but it ain't good.

at 27M/year, I doubt he has much positive value. But I'm not sure if his crappy start to this season is impacting his value much. Maybe a little because this is the first time he's been the starting PG and as you say, it hasn't been pretty. I think the other 29 teams have the full book on what Simons is, and what he isn't, and there's no 1st round trade value in the summary

of course, Grant has been absolutely terrible too and that's not helping.

Yeah, the book has been out on Simons for a long while...I wish Cro-lshey would have read it.

Maybe it's just my perception, but I was still holding out hope that some team may have thought he would have value as a starting PG with other playmaking, because we'd only really seen it in snatches here and there. If those teams were there before, they sure aren't now.

What Simons offers teams is literally the exact same thing any random, hyper-scoring, second rounder can bring...at much less cost and with potentially more upside and size.

Its sobering, but I agree. The time to trade him for value has passed. Cronin likely overvalued him and little by little his potential as a 'but he hasnt played much PG - he might be a nice PG' has worn off. At this point I see little chance we get a FRP, little chance there is even a market for him and think the only way to get him off the team is via his deal expiring (GOD FORBID WE RESIGN HIM).

I think the best case right now is Sharpe coming back strong and Simons remaining meh - ideally (Assuming no market for him) we bench him and use him in his true role - 6th man. But the way Banton is playing he might not even be our best 6th man scoring option lol.

[zzaj]

at 27M/year, I doubt he has much positive value. But I'm not sure if his crappy start to this season is impacting his value much. Maybe a little because this is the first time he's been the starting PG and as you say, it hasn't been pretty. I think the other 29 teams have the full book on what Simons is, and what he isn't, and there's no 1st round trade value in the summary

of course, Grant has been absolutely terrible too and that's not helping.

Yeah, the book has been out on Simons for a long while...I wish Cro-lshey would have read it.

Maybe it's just my perception, but I was still holding out hope that some team may have thought he would have value as a starting PG with other playmaking, because we'd only really seen it in snatches here and there. If those teams were there before, they sure aren't now.

What Simons offers teams is literally the exact same thing any random, hyper-scoring, second rounder can bring...at much less cost and with potentially more upside and size.

Its sobering, but I agree. The time to trade him for value has passed. Cronin likely overvalued him and little by little his potential as a 'but he hasnt played much PG - he might be a nice PG' has worn off. At this point I see little chance we get a FRP, little chance there is even a market for him and think the only way to get him off the team is via his deal expiring (GOD FORBID WE RESIGN HIM).

I think the best case right now is Sharpe coming back strong and Simons remaining meh - ideally (Assuming no market for him) we bench him and use him in his true role - 6th man. But the way Banton is playing he might not even be our best 6th man scoring option lol.

I've always stood up for Banton, because he knows his role and he PRESSURES THE RIM. He has size at his position and a decent enough floor game to be passable. Would he have a role on a very good team? Probably not. But as a scorer/facilitator off the bench he's just fine for the Blazers.

The biggest issue with Simons in his role as a scorer is he's not a rim threat at all. He doesn't get to the FT line...

In fact, he's taken the worst parts of both Lillard and CJ's game and somehow combined them. Lillard's shot selection and non-defense, and CJ's contact avoidance and lack of FT attempts. He's good at mid range wacky shots and can get hot from 3...that's about it.

[m0ng0]

Maybe if Scoot could step up all of your/our problems would be solved?

[JRoy]

Still need to move the high dollar guys with no future here.

[BlazersBroncos]

Maybe if Scoot could step up all of your/our problems would be solved?

Scoot isnt good enough to step up.

Two things can be true.

Simons isnt doing anything for this team in the long or short term. Scoot still looks like a bust.

[Walton1one]

They need to put Scoot in, starting, full minutes, playing alongside the "A" team. So they can fully assess if he can be the guy or not. Is he on the right growth path? He is only 20 years old, playing the toughest position in the NBA, so expecting him not to struggle in Y2 is short-sighted IMO. He will struggle regardless, but starting\playing those valuable minutes with players who matter, will accelerate his growth & give POR mgmt valuable insight into whether or not he can be their future starting PG or not. And if not, at least give POR the critical information they need to pivot in time for a crucial 2025 draft.

Simons needs to go regardless, and Camara\Rupert\Murray\Banton's improved play only should help make that decision easier, unless Cronin is fixated on Simons as a core piece (like Olshey was with CJ) to the detriment of this team's long-term potential.

[DaVoiceMaster]

I'd be ecstatic if the Blazers got an expiring for Simons. I'd be happy if that was all they got. Just unload the contract and year early.

[BlazersBroncos]

I'd be ecstatic if the Blazers got an expiring for Simons. I'd be happy if that was all they got. Just unload the contract and year early.

Agreed - a EC, some SRP and a meh youngster is my hope at this point.

Wonder if not asking ORL for a FRP would get them to bite.

Simons + Walker for Cole + Harris + Howard + 2 SRP.

[Wizenheimer]

I'd be ecstatic if the Blazers got an expiring for Simons. I'd be happy if that was all they got. Just unload the contract and year early.

Agreed - a EC, some SRP and a meh youngster is my hope at this point.

Wonder if not asking ORL for a FRP would get them to bite.

Simons + Walker for Cole + Harris + Howard + 2 SRP.

a 3 for 1 trade, in-season, is problematic. Blazers would have to waive two players like Banton and Reath. Orlando would be giving up depth for an undersized no-defense tweener guard who has a salary too high to be a 6th man. So, Simons would have to be the starting PG and he's sure not shining in that role in Portland

that 26M salary of Simons is a major obstacle to off-loading him

[dckingsfan]

...

The Lakers need perimeter D in a big way. Can you see a trade where Avdija goes to the Lakers but also has a benefit for Porland?

I know, I know. You come up with pretty good trade ideas that get shot down. But my trade ideas stink (so there is that).

Edit:

Simons + Avdija for Russell, Rui, Schifino and Lewis + draft assets.

Why for LA. They get a defensive stopper and a PG.
Why for Portland. Russell comes off the books next year with Rui the following year. Schifino is another bigger guard to evaluate along with Lewis at SF. (Although I could see us waving one or more of these players (or possibly there is a second trade that would work).

I think this one would be worth draft capital from LA. Defensive stopper, replacement PG and win now mode for what they need.

[Walton1one]

Seeing a little buyer's remorse going on in ORL about KCP. Not sure what they were expecting?

Over 12yrs he has averaged 11.3pts, only averaged over 14pts once in his career. Jokic\Murray drew a lot of attention away from him, that is not happening as much in ORL. I mean, he is a fine player, good defense, can hit the 3, but he is a peripheral piece and not what ORL needs from him IMO

BTW, thru 9 games, 6.8ppg on 24% 3pt

[Walton1one]

Surprise, Dlo on the outs again in LA, what if POR sent Simons there instead?

Dlo\Christie (also on the outs)\Knecht and a future 1st (29', Top 4 protection) for Simons\Reath

Knecht BTW is not lighting the world on fire either, but if he was "untouchable" LA could include JHS instead

OR

Simons\Thybulle\Reath
for
Dlo\Vanderbilt\Christie\Knecht & 29' 1st

Either scenario, if Dlo isn't re-routed elsewhere then he would just be cut.

[dckingsfan]

Surprise, Dlo on the outs again in LA, what if POR sent Simons there instead?

Dlo\Christie (also on the outs)\Knecht and a future 1st (29', Top 4 protection) for Simons\Reath

Knecht BTW is not lighting the world on fire either, but if he was "untouchable" LA could include JHS instead

OR

Simons\Thybulle\Reath
for
Dlo\Vanderbilt\Christie\Knecht & 29' 1st

Either scenario, if Dlo isn't re-routed elsewhere then he would just be cut.

I posted this above, I think they are looking for a defensive stopper. Avdija + Simons for Russell + filler + draft assets. And then yes, cut Russell.

[Walton1one]

...

The Lakers need perimeter D in a big way. Can you see a trade where Avdija goes to the Lakers but also has a benefit for Porland?

I know, I know. You come up with pretty good trade ideas that get shot down. But my trade ideas stink (so there is that).

Edit:

Simons + Avdija for Russell, Rui, Schifino and Lewis + draft assets.

Why for LA. They get a defensive stopper and a PG.
Why for Portland. Russell comes off the books next year with Rui the following year. Schifino is another bigger guard to evaluate along with Lewis at SF. (Although I could see us waving one or more of these players (or possibly there is a second trade that would work).

I think this one would be worth draft capital from LA. Defensive stopper, replacement PG and win now mode for what they need.

The problem with Avdija is his cheap contract (valuable) and what POR has invested in him ((2) 1st's + (2) 2nd's)

I cannot see POR trading him, first off
- Even though he is struggling, he has proven to be a solid player.
- His contract, descending in value! over the next 4 years ($15.6 - $14.3 - $13.1 - $11.8), is so insanely good, that provided he doesn't bust out of the NBA entirely (injury, severe play progression) just the contract alone is valuable in today's CBA
- POR (Scmitz) is infatuated with him, they have been angling to get Avdija for several years, if rumors are true, can't see them unloading him, unless it was something ridiculous coming back.

Do I think LA\Pelinka would like to get Deni, absolutely, but they would not want to pay the necessary freight to acquire him, nor would POR trade him for anything less

Deni\Reath to LA
for
Vamderbilt (salary purposes, 4yrs left\injured, try to offload him for something later)
JHS & Knecht
29' & 31' 1st (both top 3 restricted)