Should Blazers trade their 2025 pick of outside of the top 4?

[Blazinaway]

Am I in the Twilight Zone with this "we over paid for Deni" talk?

I've seen one person say that

This. Although it's far far more debatable if the trade helped more than it hurt us with the impact on the lotto standings in a generational draft

I think the idea that this is a "generational draft" has been laid to rest - it isn't

[PDXKnight]

I've seen one person say that

This. Although it's far far more debatable if the trade helped more than it hurt us with the impact on the lotto standings in a generational draft

I think the idea that this is a "generational draft" has been laid to rest - it isn't

The top of this draft is as good as any

[oldfishermen]

Robert Williams is a perfect fit for the Atlanta Hawks.

Hawks trade pick #23 (via Lakers) for Williams.

Blazers use pick #23 to draft Rasheer Fleming, if he is still on the board. Not sure who if Rasheer is gone?

[tester551]

Robert Williams is a perfect fit for the Atlanta Hawks.

Hawks trade pick #23 (via Lakers) for Williams.

Blazers use pick #23 to draft Rasheer Fleming, if he is still on the board. Not sure who if Rasheer is gone?

RWIII doesn't have this type of value.
No wat Hawks would do that

[Sinobas]

Robert Williams is a perfect fit for the Atlanta Hawks.

Hawks trade pick #23 (via Lakers) for Williams.

Blazers use pick #23 to draft Rasheer Fleming, if he is still on the board. Not sure who if Rasheer is gone?

RWIII doesn't have this type of value.
No wat Hawks would do that

I think he'll retire after next year, or some team might give you a 1 year vet min deal. It's clear that his knees can't take it. He barely ever plays and still has to get constant knee surgeries. No team will give up assets for him.

[PDXKnight]

Robert Williams is a perfect fit for the Atlanta Hawks.

Hawks trade pick #23 (via Lakers) for Williams.

Blazers use pick #23 to draft Rasheer Fleming, if he is still on the board. Not sure who if Rasheer is gone?

RWIII doesn't have this type of value.
No wat Hawks would do that

I think he'll retire after next year, or some team might give you a 1 year vet min deal. It's clear that his knees can't take it. He barely ever plays and still has to get constant knee surgeries. No team will give up assets for him.

Maybe a vet min or perhaps a similar deal to what he has now only the money becomes unguaranteed if he can't play a certain amount of games

I'd tend to agree a team wouldn't deal a first for him, might be able to pull an early second though

[oldfishermen]

RWIII doesn't have this type of value.
No wat Hawks would do that

I think he'll retire after next year, or some team might give you a 1 year vet min deal. It's clear that his knees can't take it. He barely ever plays and still has to get constant knee surgeries. No team will give up assets for him.

Maybe a vet min or perhaps a similar deal to what he has now only the money becomes unguaranteed if he can't play a certain amount of games

I'd tend to agree a team wouldn't deal a first for him, might be able to pull an early second though

OK, how about......

Williams and SRP for a late first?

[BlazersBroncos]

I am not sure any team trades for RW3 given he has done nothing to put to rest his injury issues this season. He just had another surgery.

I think he might have salary filler and a single meh SRP value for a team willing to gamble.

I was camp he isn’t getting a FRP prior to the DL and since then he has barely played and had, again, another surgery.

He is a not reliable enough to be penciled in as a primary backup much less a starter. He is a 13M 3rd stringer at this point.

[dckingsfan]

Love to trade him for anything - don't know if his value will just be as an expiring contract. I mean, he just can't stay on the court.

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[Walton1one]

Should have traded him right after they got him from BOS

Should have traded him at the trade deadline when he was healthy, but Cronin got greedy twice and it has backfired on him

I would think they could offload him for a 2nd at some point, those picks have been traded for less than oft injured players many times before, but I would not doubt that Cronin values his “presence” on the team more than him actually playing or heaven forbid drafting a younger player, idiocy

[Sinobas]

Simons, 2025 1st and RW3 for Trae Young works. Trae Young has been in the rumor mill for awhile now. The Hawks get a cheaper version of him and a pick, before potentially losing him for nothing.

To get a player who is top 10 at his position for a mid 1st is a win in my book. And Trae is young enough that we shouldn't have a problem trading him in the future. If the match works out well and we resign him, we trade Scoot for a 1st.

[Walton1one]

Light on a pick or 2 there, also they would want Scoot or Sharpe, not Simons

[Sinobas]

Light on a pick or 2 there, also they would want Scoot or Sharpe, not Simons

We could give them Scoot then, since we wouldn't really need him with Young.

[Pattycakes]

Rwill has zero value at this point and to think otherwise is as stupid as the people who thought we overpaid for Deni.

[oldfishermen]

Rwill has zero value at this point and to think otherwise is as stupid as the people who thought we overpaid for Deni.

So many directions I could respond to this.

Hope you shed your insecurities, and begin to learn to have creative discussions with those that have opinions different from yours. Rather than bullying others without any supporting talking points, Your insults are very weak, faulty, and meaningless.

Good luck on your path to starting a meaningful life. Dealing with others is not an easy path.

[BlazersBroncos]

Robert Williams III has played in 235 games over his career, or an average of 33 games per season.

But it gets worse. Since coming to Portland he has played in 26 games. That is 26 our of 154 possible games - or 16.8% of possible games.

He was injury prone prior to arriving in Portland - unarguably one of the most injury prone players in the league. Since arriving, he has actually gotten MORE injury prone statistically when going off % of possible games played.

The guy is cooked. Its time to accept that. We might be able to save some money and get a crappy SRP in a RWIII for Jock Landale + SRP type deal but serious, even semi-serious value? He isnt pulling that.

No team, rebuilding, win now or in between is trading value for a guy this injury prone.

[Walton1one]

I don't know about that, but any thoughts of 1st round pick are gone. Teams have traded 2nd round picks for much less than an oft injured but talented, still young, big man.

Heck POR traded a 2nd round pick for glorious cash...

[DusterBuster]

I don't know about that, but any thoughts of 1st round pick are gone. Teams have traded 2nd round picks for much less than an oft injured but talented, still young, big man.

Heck POR traded a 2nd round pick for glorious cash...

Cash doesn't cost a team locked in salary. A player who is likely to miss 80% of a season does.

I would have to agree that I don't even think you can get 2nd rounders for Rob at this point. Maybe if you're taking on longer-salary so the other team can think of it as a salary dump. Most likely though, a team would just wait it out for the Blazers to waive him or for him to become a FA where they can sign him to a vet min deal. Less risky to pay a guy a vet min deal if he misses most the year than pay him 11mil for the season.

[JRoy]

Robert Williams III has played in 235 games over his career, or an average of 33 games per season.

But it gets worse. Since coming to Portland he has played in 26 games. That is 26 our of 154 possible games - or 16.8% of possible games.

He was injury prone prior to arriving in Portland - unarguably one of the most injury prone players in the league. Since arriving, he has actually gotten MORE injury prone statistically when going off % of possible games played.

The guy is cooked. Its time to accept that. We might be able to save some money and get a crappy SRP in a RWIII for Jock Landale + SRP type deal but serious, even semi-serious value? He isnt pulling that.

No team, rebuilding, win now or in between is trading value for a guy this injury prone.

It’s past time to rip off the band aid. He has minimal value.

[Walton1one]

I doubt POR waives him, then they have to take a $13mil hit next year.

and you are talking locked in salary for next year only. It is a risk\reward, particularly for a playoff team, who just wants him healthy for the playoffs, I'd wager he is worth the risk of a 2nd round pick, but...

I doubt Cronin trades him, he overvalued him when he dealt Jrue to BOS, he overvalued him at the deadline and now that his value is likely at its nadir, he will overvalue him again, the guy never learns it seems.