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Post#101 » by DusterBuster » Fri Apr 25, 2025 5:49 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:No way in hell do I give MIL their picks back for Dame. Those are going to be lotto slots once Giannis asks out and with Dame declining.

I would see if they want to swap Kuzma + Pat for Grant so we can escape a year of Jerami - even if Kuz is a bum.


Same thoughts. I'm holding onto those Bucks picks like gold and in no way would return them to return Dame to Portland. I would do something like Dame for Grant and Simons. Admittedly tho, I've not spent a second considering the salary cap or anything for that. The deal yes, Blazers long-term salaries with young guys extensions, no.
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#102 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Apr 25, 2025 6:30 pm

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BlazersBroncos wrote:No way in hell do I give MIL their picks back for Dame. Those are going to be lotto slots once Giannis asks out and with Dame declining.

I would see if they want to swap Kuzma + Pat for Grant so we can escape a year of Jerami - even if Kuz is a bum.


Same thoughts. I'm holding onto those Bucks picks like gold and in no way would return them to return Dame to Portland. I would do something like Dame for Grant and Simons. Admittedly tho, I've not spent a second considering the salary cap or anything for that. The deal yes, Blazers long-term salaries with young guys extensions, no.


Dame actually makes quite a bit less in total money than Grant / Simons

Dame - 52.1M / 58.4M = 110.5M

Grant - 32M / 34.2M / 36.4M = 102.6M
Simons - 27.6M
TOTAL - 130.2M

I am not lying when I say that I would trade Grant and Simons for Dame even if Dame was a 10ppg backup. I STRONGLY prefer a bigger but shorter deal than the 3 years we have left of Grant. Shaving that year helps us afford extensions and obviously moves a guy that is due about 32M AV for 3 years and by any reasonable measure is now a backup in Portland.
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#103 » by Tim Lehrbach » Fri Apr 25, 2025 6:37 pm

Grant and Simons for Dame is an insulting offer, no matter how much Dame declines, is overpaid, or has health concerns. Not sure why we're talking about it.
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#104 » by Walton1one » Fri Apr 25, 2025 8:48 pm

I am not overly a fan of POR trading back for Dame, not entirely opposed either. Acquiring him IMO does not make this team a contender like some think he would. He will be 35 next year and while yes, POR does have a better core group to put around him, this team does not have Giannis who is worth 2? 3? of POR rotational players?

How many optimal years does Dame have left? 2? 3?

IMO it would be something like Scoot\Simons\Williams,their 28'swap back & if needed, the lesser of POR (2) 29' picks

POR keeping #10 would be important, as they would likely lose their 1st in 26' and they could use it on a young PG to sit behind Dame for a few years and eventually(hopefully) succeed him, a guy like Jakucionis\Fears\Richardson. All of whom could be available around POR pick

No need for Scoot if you bring in Dame, you are basically, saying you prefer Dame to Scoot which would be in opposition to what Cronin did when he drafted Scoot, consider whether or not Cronin would do that

The 28' swap as it sits right now is not guaranteed to convey unless POR gives up their 1st in the next 2 years, and if they do own their pick in 28 (CHI gets a 2nd) then the value may be negligible (POR lottery vs MIL lottery)

29' lesser gives MIL a pick back just does not give them the best of POR\BOS\MIL, I think that is fair.

The other option is Scoot\Simons\Grant & swaps\picks for Lillard\Kuzma. gets MIL off all long term money except Giannis, of course they are then taking BACK Grant who has a year longer than Kuzma, which seems counter productive?

More likely, POR would sub Ayton for Grant instead, that would work

But all this is moot IMO, no reason for MIL to look to trade Dame back to POR (if Cronin is even interested) unless they are moving on from Giannis\rebuilding as well, and if that is the case, Grant would hold no value.

I imagine they would look to make a deal with New Orleans (Zion?) first to get their picks back, as they own MIL immediate future (26' pick swap\27' 1st).

So if we see Zion\Jones and picks go back to MIL for Giannis, THEN we can think about Dame reuniting with POR, until then, I doubt there is a deal here.
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Post#105 » by m0ng0 » Sat Apr 26, 2025 2:33 am

Grant and Simons straight up? Jesus has anybody watched this series? Did Dame get benched ? Only 22 minutes 2-12. I wonder if Milwaukee feels like this had been money well spent?
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#106 » by DusterBuster » Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:05 am

m0ng0 wrote:Grant and Simons straight up? Jesus has anybody watched this series? Did Dame get benched ? Only 22 minutes 2-12. I wonder if Milwaukee feels like this had been money well spent?


Grant just shot sub 38% FG for the season and hasn’t played past March in 3 consecutive seasons… those in glass houses…

He’s looking past his prime, but he’s also not played for a month and is coming off a blood clot issue faster than anyone in history… I’ll give him some grace.

They beat the Pacers by 16 and Dame was a +16 on the game. He didn’t have a great shooting game, but he had a big impact on the game. He had two blocks for **** sake.
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Post#107 » by m0ng0 » Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:47 am

Case said he was going to school Haliburton tonight but it must be Doc Rivers fault. HONESTLY I have no idea what a blood clot recovery is...
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#108 » by DaVoiceMaster » Sat Apr 26, 2025 8:22 am

m0ng0 wrote:Case said he was going to school Haliburton tonight but it must be Doc Rivers fault. HONESTLY I have no idea what a blood clot recovery is...


C'mon man, take it down a notch.
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#109 » by GEE » Sat Apr 26, 2025 12:49 pm

This thread is hillarious :lol: The idea of retarding back to that era of hero ball is just mind blowing to me, especially after having dealt with multiple years of sucking and finally starting to enjoy the fruits, that took tons of patience and work, to have the Blazer TEAM we have now. Just far more entertaining to watch now IMHO, and my excitement for the future is off the feakin' charts. BLAZERMANIA WILL RETURN.

But the reason I really wanted to chime in is, to point out the effect the Dame trade had on the current condition of the Bucks org. They are in deep to say the least, and I think that Cronin created much of the unrest that currently exists in the EC. Since the trade, several of the big teams in the east, with some of the best players in the league on them, are struggling bad. News wire says that Ghannis future uncertain, but there's the Sixer situation to watch and a few other teams that might allow us to get that final piece that we have waited so long for.

I think Cronin has put in alot of hard work to get us where we are now, perfectly positioned to make any type of move possible, even for a player like Ghannis or even KD. Maybe Dame makes my list of targets somewhere down the line, but way down the line. In the end though, I think it's all about nothing because my money is on a DENI 2.0-type trade, smart/not sexy and someone I've never heard of...but ya' never know. Regardless, If I was Cronin, getting Ghannis in the Red and Black would be my #1 obsession and I'd chase it relentlessly until completely exhausted. I'd be sending GA flowers daily, with a "sorry for your loss in the first round playoffs AGAIN, you deserve better" card attatched. But Dame... no flowers.
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#110 » by DusterBuster » Sat Apr 26, 2025 6:22 pm

GEE wrote:This thread is hillarious :lol: The idea of retarding back to that era of hero ball is just mind blowing to me,


Dropping the hard R?!?
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Post#111 » by m0ng0 » Sat Apr 26, 2025 10:11 pm

Should i feel guilty when i tell my dad to (Please Use More Appropriate Word) the timing on his truck? If it's way too lean should I not say it's full on (Please Use More Appropriate Word)? Context bro
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#112 » by m0ng0 » Sat Apr 26, 2025 10:12 pm

m0ng0 wrote:Should i feel guilty when i tell my dad to (Please Use More Appropriate Word) the timing on his truck? If it's way too lean should I not say it's full on (Please Use More Appropriate Word)? Context bro


Hahaha apparently I should :roll:
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#113 » by zzaj » Sat Apr 26, 2025 10:23 pm

GEE wrote:This thread is hillarious :lol: The idea of retarding back to that era of hero ball is just mind blowing to me, especially after having dealt with multiple years of sucking and finally starting to enjoy the fruits, that took tons of patience and work, to have the Blazer TEAM we have now. Just far more entertaining to watch now IMHO, and my excitement for the future is off the feakin' charts. BLAZERMANIA WILL RETURN.

But the reason I really wanted to chime in is, to point out the effect the Dame trade had on the current condition of the Bucks org. They are in deep to say the least, and I think that Cronin created much of the unrest that currently exists in the EC. Since the trade, several of the big teams in the east, with some of the best players in the league on them, are struggling bad. News wire says that Ghannis future uncertain, but there's the Sixer situation to watch and a few other teams that might allow us to get that final piece that we have waited so long for.

I think Cronin has put in alot of hard work to get us where we are now, perfectly positioned to make any type of move possible, even for a player like Ghannis or even KD. Maybe Dame makes my list of targets somewhere down the line, but way down the line. In the end though, I think it's all about nothing because my money is on a DENI 2.0-type trade, smart/not sexy and someone I've never heard of...but ya' never know. Regardless, If I was Cronin, getting Ghannis in the Red and Black would be my #1 obsession and I'd chase it relentlessly until completely exhausted. I'd be sending GA flowers daily, with a "sorry for your loss in the first round playoffs AGAIN, you deserve better" card attatched. But Dame... no flowers.



GEE, I can't tell if you're purposely misspelling Giannis' name to throw off the scent that you actually work for the Blazers...but it's not working! :lol:

Fandom comes in all shapes and sizes, and I always appreciate your optimism--even if I share almost NONE of it. :lol:
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#114 » by m0ng0 » Sun Apr 27, 2025 2:42 am

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m0ng0 wrote:Case said he was going to school Haliburton tonight but it must be Doc Rivers fault. HONESTLY I have no idea what a blood clot recovery is...


C'mon man, take it down a notch.


Why? Have you not read his posts?
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#115 » by DaVoiceMaster » Sun Apr 27, 2025 5:59 pm

m0ng0 wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:
m0ng0 wrote:Case said he was going to school Haliburton tonight but it must be Doc Rivers fault. HONESTLY I have no idea what a blood clot recovery is...


C'mon man, take it down a notch.


Why? Have you not read his posts?


Yeah, and I've read your posts. Thus, the reason for my comment.
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#116 » by m0ng0 » Sun Apr 27, 2025 9:39 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:
m0ng0 wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:
C'mon man, take it down a notch.


Why? Have you not read his posts?


Yeah, and I've read your posts. Thus, the reason for my comment.


What did I say that was wrong or in poor taste?
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#117 » by m0ng0 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:59 am

It "appears" Dame popped an Achilles... that really sucks, heal up mate. :cry:
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#118 » by Walton1one » Mon Apr 28, 2025 3:50 am

Well, don’t have to worry about POR trying to trade for him now, not that they we’re going to inthe first place
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#119 » by Sinobas » Mon Apr 28, 2025 3:52 am

Now this idea has taken on a new light. How about we trade a year of Dame for a year of Grant.

We get out of Grant's contract a year early, and get Dame as a very expensive backup in 26-27 (unless he retires).

But it's basically a financial wash, and a solution to the Grant problem. Grant/RW3/Thybulle for Dame straight up.

Dead weight for dead weight.
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#120 » by Wizenheimer » Mon Apr 28, 2025 4:07 am

Dame likely Achilles injury tonight

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