Portland - 2016 Offseason

Masterfully · Post #1061 » by **Masterfully** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:09 am

Maybe a high dollar 1+1?

PDXKnight · Post #1062 » by **PDXKnight** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:10 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Crabbe will most likely want anywhere from $54-60 million on a four-year contract from any team interested in his services. If Sacramento wants to be a real player in the Crabbe sweepstakes, they will probably have to offer him $57 million to even be considered, sources tell Cowbell Kingdom.

http://cowbellkingdom.com/allen-crabbes-suitors-will-need-to-bid-in-the-vicinity-of-15-million-per-season/

Barf.

Interesting that all the teams interested in giving him a stupid amount of money are the crappiest of the league in Sac, Nets and Philly. Of all that teams that are going to poop the bed and offer massive overpays, it's gonna be teams that routinely make awful awful awful roster moves and those 3 teams have been the cream of the crap for doing stupid moves over the past 3 or so years in the NBA.

I question the legitimacy of any article that calls Allen crabbe'so free agency a "sweepstake"

DusterBuster · Post #1063 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:30 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/748195732859957249[/tweet]

Good news for anyone who was worried the Lakers may actually have a chance at Whiteside. Certainly helps Portland here if true, but I still think Miami is the leader in the clubhouse for him.

Downtown · Post #1064 » by **Downtown** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:55 am

Wizenheimer wrote:DusterBuster wrote:
Olshey has shown a history for liking to go back to the well. Would he consider Eric Gordon as the 3rd guard if he came at a fairly reasonable price?

in that vein, Blake Griffin could be UFA next season and Olshey could have major cap-space if he plays this summers cards right

I kind of forgot about Eric Gordon. He would make a great third guard if they are going for strictly offence. But defensively he's at Lillard's and McCollum's level, meaning not very good. But at the right price for sure.

And even though I've heard the reasons why this is the summer to spend, as long as they don't get stupid with their own free agents, there could definitely be money for Griffin(not that the Clippers wouldn't offer up the same). And who wouldn't want him?

Downtown · Post #1065 » by **Downtown** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:56 am

DusterBuster wrote:Apparently "a lot of buzz" with Dwight on a short-term deal. Hmmmmm.....

Howard at $40mil over two years? I think I'd take a chance with that.

DusterBuster · Post #1066 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:00 am

Downtown wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:Apparently "a lot of buzz" with Dwight on a short-term deal. Hmmmmm.....

Howard at $40mil over two years? I think I'd take a chance with that.

I'd go even higher honestly. I'd do 3 years / 70 mil, but have the 2nd or 3rd year a player option.

PDXKnight · Post #1067 » by **PDXKnight** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:17 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Downtown wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:Apparently "a lot of buzz" with Dwight on a short-term deal. Hmmmmm.....

Howard at $40mil over two years? I think I'd take a chance with that.

I'd go even higher honestly. I'd do 3 years / 70 mil, but have the 2nd or 3rd year a player option.

If it's 2 year deal with a 3rd year team option i could live with that. The team cancer label does scare me though

Wizenheimer · Post #1068 » by **Wizenheimer** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:54 am

does anybody know about this: 12:01 am, July 1 on the east coast is 9:01 pm June 30 here. I'm assuming the NBA doesn't allow eastern teams to get a 3 hour jump on Pacific teams, so can the Blazers start talking to free agents in about 2 hours?

DusterBuster · Post #1069 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:06 am

Wizenheimer wrote:does anybody know about this: 12:01 am, July 1 on the east coast is 9:01 pm June 30 here. I'm assuming the NBA doesn't allow eastern teams to get a 3 hour jump on Pacific teams, so can the Blazers start talking to free agents in about 2 hours?

The Blazers can talk to players at 9:01 June 30th. The Hibbert news broke when Portland signed him well before 12:01 July 1 that Thursday night a few years back.

Wizenheimer · Post #1070 » by **Wizenheimer** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:12 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:does anybody know about this: 12:01 am, July 1 on the east coast is 9:01 pm June 30 here. I'm assuming the NBA doesn't allow eastern teams to get a 3 hour jump on Pacific teams, so can the Blazers start talking to free agents in about 2 hours?

The Blazers can talk to players at 9:01 June 30th. The Hibbert news broke when Portland signed him well before 12:01 July 1 that Thursday night a few years back.

makes sense

of course, does anybody really believe that GM's and agents haven't been talking for quite a while now?

DusterBuster · Post #1071 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:14 am

Wizenheimer wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:does anybody know about this: 12:01 am, July 1 on the east coast is 9:01 pm June 30 here. I'm assuming the NBA doesn't allow eastern teams to get a 3 hour jump on Pacific teams, so can the Blazers start talking to free agents in about 2 hours?

The Blazers can talk to players at 9:01 June 30th. The Hibbert news broke when Portland signed him well before 12:01 July 1 that Thursday night a few years back.

makes sense

of course, does anybody really believe that GM's and agents haven't been talking for quite a while now?

Yeah, I mean, it's pretty well known they talk. How else are all these meetings with teams getting scheduled before June 1st if GMs and Agents aren't talking?

Besides not talking actual numbers, I'm not really sure what the week between the draft and July 1st is good for.

monopoman · Post #1072 » by **monopoman** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:32 am

Wizenheimer wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:does anybody know about this: 12:01 am, July 1 on the east coast is 9:01 pm June 30 here. I'm assuming the NBA doesn't allow eastern teams to get a 3 hour jump on Pacific teams, so can the Blazers start talking to free agents in about 2 hours?

The Blazers can talk to players at 9:01 June 30th. The Hibbert news broke when Portland signed him well before 12:01 July 1 that Thursday night a few years back.

makes sense

of course, does anybody really believe that GM's and agents haven't been talking for quite a while now?

I think the restriction is you can't make an actual offer until the July 1st deadline. The GM's can contact players or their agents, and request meetings, or discuss some other things, but they can't formally make that offer.

PTPaQ · Post #1073 » by **PTPaQ** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:34 am

I'm not a dwight proponent at all but i'd struggle to resist a 2-3 year deal at this "rumored" 15-20 mill range, although I really doubt he truly would accept anything below 20.

Post #1074 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:37 am

Give me ALL the DWights!

DusterBuster · Post #1075 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:38 am

PTPaQ wrote:I'm not a dwight proponent at all but i'd struggle to resist a 2-3 year deal at this "rumored" 15-20 mill range, although I really doubt he truly would accept anything below 20.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what he would "accept" if all his offers are below 20.

DusterBuster · Post #1076 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:39 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:Give me ALL the DWights!

I had CSNNW on in the background while I'm doing some work and I saw some good photoshops of Dwight in a Blazers uni.... gotta admit it sure would be interesting....

Post #1077 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:56 am

DusterBuster wrote:
The Sebastian Express wrote:Give me ALL the DWights!

I had CSNNW on in the background while I'm doing some work and I saw some good photoshops of Dwight in a Blazers uni.... gotta admit it sure would be interesting....

Here's how I figure it. Give Dwight a two year max deal or a hell, I don't even care if it's longer. What team is better for Dwight than the Blazers? The Blazers and the Mavericks are the same offense essentially. But the difference is we have a bunch of guys who are not going to make him feel awful or berate him for having a big, fun personality. Why? Because our guys have fun personalities, they have separate interests off the court and they don't give each other grief for it. They embrace it, and each other! You think Dame is going to get on Dwight's case because he likes being goofy? No, I don't think so. I think CJ and him will help Dwight balance the goofiness off the court, the goofy, fun-loving personality on the court with when it's serious time. I think they'll uplift him rather than get down on him.

And considering how willing Dame was to ensure LaMarcus was the first option, I see no issue about touches (not that, of course, Dwight would be first option here).

Dwight would be surrounded by at least three shooters if Chief keeps upping his three point game. And four if we sign a SF (whether Moe or someone else) and slide Chief to the four where he can play well.

Wizenheimer · Post #1078 » by **Wizenheimer** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:03 am

it's an interesting question: what would be better for Portland, DH on a 2 year deal or Whiteside on a 4 year deal? One factor is that Dwight has played at superstar level before when he's been highly paid. Whiteside has no history of playing great when he's highly paid
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I must admit, if I can set aside my anxiousness for the Blazers to get something significant done, as an NBA fan, this has to be the most anticipated off-season in a long time simply because of the massive amounts of money available.

and as we've talked about the feel-good momentum the Blazers had by the end of the playoffs, it sounds like some of that momentum has been transferred to Blazer free agents if Crabbe is seriously in line for a 15-17 million/year deal

Wizenheimer · Post #1079 » by **Wizenheimer** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:07 am

just a note that probably won't be relevant: if the Blazers use all their cap-space, they would then have the room-MLE to use. This season it's 2.9 million. So that might come in handy for a backup PG, or a re-hab project like Terrance Jones, or some other sad-case player

DusterBuster · Post #1080 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:15 am

Wizenheimer wrote:it's an interesting question: what would be better for Portland, DH on a 2 year deal or Whiteside on a 4 year deal? One factor is that Dwight has played at superstar level before when he's been highly paid. Whiteside has no history of playing great when he's highly paid
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I must admit, if I can set aside my anxiousness for the Blazers to get something significant done, as an NBA fan, this has to be the most anticipated off-season in a long time simply because of the massive amounts of money available.

and as we've talked about the feel-good momentum the Blazers had by the end of the playoffs, it sounds like some of that momentum has been transferred to Blazer free agents if Crabbe is seriously in line for a 15-17 million/year deal

Yeah, I haven't been this stoked for the FA period in a long time. Just seems totally unpredictable.

I'd take Whiteside @ 4 over Howard @ 2, but I question how likely Whiteside is for Portland. Sounds like the only team he's seriously thinking about outside of Miami is Dallas. By the way, how does Cuban keep selling guys on Dallas? That team is so old and primed for a huge rebuild soon, why do they keep luring guys in their prime?

Anyway, I digress. I'll be happy with either guy, regardless of the years or dollars really. 4 years goes quick even if it turns out to be a bad contract.

Speaking of bad contracts, Crabbe looks like he's primed to be one. I understand 15-17mil ain't what it used to be in the NBA, but that's still a serious chunk of cash for a guy of Crabbe's limited skillset. If he's worth 15-17, is Will Barton a max player? The whole Crabbe situation is just mind-boggling to me that some teams would not only offer that, but fans would actually be HAPPY to see their team sign him for that.