The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2nds.

[sabi]

If we do full rebuild how does that make Cho feel?

Validated... It was a huge mistake to let him go like that. But Paul Allen wants to run the show w/o a gm.

[DusterBuster]

I'd say Cho is sitting back and laughing, but Cho also just had the title of "GM of the Worst Team in the History of the NBA" notched into his record, so I think he's got his own issues to worry about.

[License2Lillard]

You're both right, I just know if it had been me I'd also be feeling a bit pissed off.

[deanwoof]

the only good thing Cho can take away from this is the bobcats can only get better. right?

[PDXKnight]

Its not like not going into rebuilding mode earlier turned out too bad. By mid season last season we wouldn't have been bad enough to get a good pick and we definitely got more for Wallace than we paid so I wouldnt say acquiring him really hurt our plans much. When it comes to Camby we wouldnt have gotten much for him one way or another and Felton was a 1 year guy who didnt hurt our long-term prospects as a franchise.

[PDXKnight]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHBDW6tNcvo[/youtube]

Is it just me or do his finishing skills look pretty unimpressive? I don't see him making it in the nba. He also seems slow, relatively unathletic and has all the makings of a bust imo.

Compare that to MKG...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOzb2-WghjY[/youtube]

I think MKG is gonna be the best player in this draft other than AD. Kidd-Gilchrist can do EVERYTHING and I'd borderline be tempted to make a compellilng offer if we can move up to get him.


On second thought, I made a list of my top prospects. This draft is LOADED and we should be able to get two studs at 6 and 11. Hopefully we dont do something stupid. I honestly wouldnt take Drummond at 6.

[PDXKnight]

What do you guys think of Dion Waiters? I have a draft board that I apparently had enough time to make haha, but I have him listed as one of my most underrated prospects. This kid has it all for a kid projected to go as low as 17 on some sites.

[DusterBuster]

On second thought, I made a list of my top prospects. This draft is LOADED and we should be able to get two studs at 6 and 11. Hopefully we dont do something stupid. I honestly wouldnt take Drummond at 6.

I haven't done much research on MKG, but your post has made me want to read up on him a bit more.

As for the part of your post I quoted here, assuming things hold to form, the draft would have to look like this for Drummond to be available at 6.....

1 Davis
2 Robinson
3 MKG
4 Beal
5 Barnes

If you don't want to take the chance on Drum, who would you take at 6?

[PDXKnight]

On second thought, I made a list of my top prospects. This draft is LOADED and we should be able to get two studs at 6 and 11. Hopefully we dont do something stupid. I honestly wouldnt take Drummond at 6.

I haven't done much research on MKG, but your post has made me want to read up on him a bit more.

As for the part of your post I quoted here, assuming things hold to form, the draft would have to look like this for Drummond to be available at 6.....

1 Davis
2 Robinson
3 MKG
4 Beal
5 Barnes

If you don't want to take the chance on Drum, who would you take at 6?

That's when there's a bit of a drop down in talent in my book, but still not enough to warrant trading up for b/c I think one of those 5 drops to us at 6. I'm not saying I'd take them at 6 but I think Terrance Ross and Dion Waiters are way underrated, but just in the short time I've seen him I almost wonder if Henson isn't a better prospect than Drum if we go the big man route at number 6. Don't get me wrong I know he's a NC kid and he could be overblown but I think he has quite a bit more offensive game and based on the bit I saw he seemed to have more potential. I could be absolutely wrong on this but I came away with a much more positive feeling after watching henson's highlights. Drummond was phenomenal on defense but just about the only thing he did on offense was dunk on a pass that led him to to a wide open play. He hardly blew my mind.. If we were going with Henson we could probably move down a bit and pick somebody up, and I think we'd wind up with the better player perhaps. Henson's o ne of the few bigs I saw with a decent back to the basket game and he doesn't seem all that terrible on defense either. In theory though we'll get one of those 5 and call it a day. He's a big man so there's a 99 percent chance somebody overhypes him before us. Every one of those five I'd be fine with taking, I think any of them are worth the risk. Id be my life on Drummond not being there when we're on the board so I think life will be easy for the Blazers. I guess that's when it comes to just picking the guy who isnt taken. If its Beal, Barnes, or MKG I would be pretty hyped though, you don't lose much with any of those 3. Davis is a lock at 1 and whoever says otherwise is kidding themselves and I'm not so sure robinsin falls to 6 either though if he does I suppose I'd take that chance. I'm very skeptical about Drummond and with the number 6 pick I just don't know If im confident enough to go all out on Drummond. I guess you could say my whole draft plan depends on one of those guys 'slipping' to us but i have to think its likely. I have Terrence Ross much higher than I should admit but I think he can be had at 11 or somewhere near so at 6 he's not my first option.

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At number 11 though, Ross and Waiters should be on our short list. I'm almost more interested at what we do with that pick b/c I think there are a few guys who could fall below that who belong much higher. Here's waiters. I hadn't heard his name before I looked his highlights up but holy cow I was impresed at how this kid could finish. He seems to shoot the jump shot a lot which worries me but I think that makes it too easy to underate his finishing ability. He has the quickness to take it to the rim and he is far from unathletic. I think at 6' 4" he's a bit scary but he should at least get a looking at. Whoever drafts him won't regret it methinks..

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Here's Ross, who might be my favorite guy at 11. Note, go to the play starting at 7:30. Apparently he's from Portland, can you say natural fit? I didn't find that out till after though.

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[Fitz303]

Let the rumors begin...
http://morningjournal.com/articles/2012 ... viewmode=4

One rumor flying around has the Cavs offering their Nos. 4 and 24 picks to Charlotte for the Bobcats’ No. 2. Another one is 4 and 24 for Portland’s 6 and 11.

I would assume that they would have to be pretty sold on Drummond or Beal

[Blazinaway]

The more I look at hear about Damien Lillard the more I like. I think he may go top 8, a lot will be based on workouts and IMO the only real question about him is the "small school low competition" knock. The guy supposedly has a 40 inch vertical and 6'9"" wingspan, that's more then Westbrook in both cases

[Blazinaway]

Another guy I like for the early second rd or late first is Kyle O'Quinn who apparently impressed at a recent Philly workout, here is the summary

http://www.libertyballers.com/2012/6/2/ ... yle-oquinn

[GreenRiddler]

The more I look at hear about Damien Lillard the more I like. I think he may go top 8, a lot will be based on workouts and IMO the only real question about him is the "small school low competition" knock. The guy supposedly has a 40 inch vertical and 6'9"" wingspan, that's more then Westbrook in both cases

Just because a guy has a higher vertical than Westbrook Does not mean he is Westbrook, if so then Iman Shumpert would have been the second pick last year. There is no Westbrook in this draft, The only reason Lillard is even a lottery pick this year is cause there are no pg's this year if this was 2009 he wouldn't have even cracked the 1st round. I wouldn't even pick him at 11 if we got a big at 6, I would have ever loooove to know where you heard that 6'9" wingspan cause I searched DX and a number of other places that have shown no measurements. Trust me if he really did have that kind of wingspan it would be noticeable in pics (like Lamb). I don't know why you guys want this kid so much did we not just trade Jerryd Bayless 2 years ago why would we draft him again except this time higher????

[Blazinaway]

The more I look at hear about Damien Lillard the more I like. I think he may go top 8, a lot will be based on workouts and IMO the only real question about him is the "small school low competition" knock. The guy supposedly has a 40 inch vertical and 6'9"" wingspan, that's more then Westbrook in both cases

Just because a guy has a higher vertical than Westbrook Dose not mean he is Westbrook, if so then Iman Shumpert would have been the second pick last year. There is no Westbrook in this draft, The only reason Lillard is even a lottery pick this year is cause there are no pg's this year if this was 2009 he wouldn't have even cracked the 1st round. I wouldn't even pick him at 11 if we got a big at 6, I would have ever loooove to know where you heard that 6'9" wingspan cause I searched DX and a number of other places that have shown no measurements. Trust me if he really did have that kind of wingspan it would be noticeable in pics (like Lamb). I don't know why you guys want this kid so much did we not just trade Jerryd Bayless 2 years ago why would we draft him again except this time higher????

You don't think I realize just because he has a better wingspan or higher vert then Westbrook he's going to be as good? Come on now, I was just pointing out he's got some significant athletic ability to go along with some very good shooting stats. He's been working out very very well and yes there are a lot of questions. IMO he much more of a PG coming out of college then Bayless was, Bayless was at best a combo guard, Lillard has four years as a PG and improved significantly every year and IMO can contribute almost immediately vs Bayless who was raw. We will see

[GreenRiddler]

The more I look at hear about Damien Lillard the more I like. I think he may go top 8, a lot will be based on workouts and IMO the only real question about him is the "small school low competition" knock. The guy supposedly has a 40 inch vertical and 6'9"" wingspan, that's more then Westbrook in both cases

Just because a guy has a higher vertical than Westbrook Dose not mean he is Westbrook, if so then Iman Shumpert would have been the second pick last year. There is no Westbrook in this draft, The only reason Lillard is even a lottery pick this year is cause there are no pg's this year if this was 2009 he wouldn't have even cracked the 1st round. I wouldn't even pick him at 11 if we got a big at 6, I would have ever loooove to know where you heard that 6'9" wingspan cause I searched DX and a number of other places that have shown no measurements. Trust me if he really did have that kind of wingspan it would be noticeable in pics (like Lamb). I don't know why you guys want this kid so much did we not just trade Jerryd Bayless 2 years ago why would we draft him again except this time higher????

IMO he much more of a PG coming out of college then Bayless was, Bayless was at best a combo guard, Lillard has four years as a PG and improved significantly every year and IMO can contribute almost immediately vs Bayless who was raw. We will see

Really??
Lillard
Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2011-12 32 34.5 24.5 46.7 40.9 88.7 4.0 5.0 0.2 1.5
2010-11 10 28.5 17.7 43.8 34.5 85.7 3.3 3.8 0.2 1.4
2009-10 31 34.3 19.9 43.1 39.3 85.3 3.6 4.0 0.1 1.1
2008-09 31 29.4 11.5 43.4 37.4 84.1 2.9 3.9 0.2 1.1

Bayless
Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2007-08 30 35.7 19.7 45.8 40.7 83.9 4.0 2.7 0.1 1.0

Don't see that at all after 4 years at school his assists number reached what Bayless did his FIRST year. I don't see this significant improvement as a pg you speak of I see a trigger happy guard with marginal court vision who know only one thing attack...sound familiar? See we will

[GreenRiddler]

I wouldn't be surprised if he has t-rex arms like Bayless too.

[GreenRiddler]

and he missed like 19 games his junior season with a foot injury I don't want a injury player at #6
#Drummond4life

[Blazinaway]

and he missed like 19 games his junior season with a foot injury I don't want a injury player at #6
#Drummond4life

did you not even read my wingspan post at 6'9"? way more than bayless, and he played a full season last yr after the foot injury, I'd say he's fully healed. How many knee surgeries did Roy have and we still drafted him?

[GreenRiddler]

and he missed like 19 games his junior season with a foot injury I don't want a injury player at #6
#Drummond4life

did you not even read my wingspan post at 6'9"? way more than bayless, and he played a full season last yr after the foot injury, I'd say he's fully healed. How many knee surgeries did Roy have and we still drafted him?

funny you didn't reply to my stats post...it's ok though....and where did you get that 6'9" wingspan from again? Your ass you say? Ok gotcha

[Billy]

Chill out folks...