Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything?

[kdawg32086]

Here's another hypothetical Simons trade.

Blazers get: Caris Lavert, Naji Marshall, Dante Exum (waived) and Cleveland's 2031 FRP (not sure what the protection would need to be).

Mavs get: Anfernee Simons and Ryan Rupert

Cavs get: PJ Washington

I've been playing around with Fanspo's trade machine and these contracts for Ayton, Grant, and Simons are rough. Woof.

[PDXKnight]

Here's another hypothetical Simons trade.

Blazers get: Caris Lavert, Naji Marshall, Dante Exum (waived) and Cleveland's 2031 FRP (not sure what the protection would need to be).

Mavs get: Anfernee Simons and Ryan Rupert

Cavs get: PJ Washington

I've been playing around with Fanspo's trade machine and these contracts for Ayton, Grant, and Simons are rough. Woof.

Yeah man the struggle is real. It's like we constructed the most difficult dollar amount to match in trades without it being lopsided like a 3 for 1. Most of these moves may need to happen in the offseason and that's if we get off our butts and do something

[The Sebastian Express]

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Enough chatter on this to keep Zach Lowe away from his NBA sabbatical...

Losses to the Blazers ending the current dreams of Butler and Durant.

TRULY WE ARE THE GIANT KILLERS. AN UNSTOPPABLE FORCE.

[DusterBuster]

Here's another hypothetical Simons trade.

Blazers get: Caris Lavert, Naji Marshall, Dante Exum (waived) and Cleveland's 2031 FRP (not sure what the protection would need to be).

Mavs get: Anfernee Simons and Ryan Rupert

Cavs get: PJ Washington

I've been playing around with Fanspo's trade machine and these contracts for Ayton, Grant, and Simons are rough. Woof.

Yeah man the struggle is real. It's like we constructed the most difficult dollar amount to match in trades without it being lopsided like a 3 for 1. Most of these moves may need to happen in the offseason and that's if we get off our butts and do something

I genuinely don't understand the consternation about their contracts. Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all have very movable short-term contracts.

If they're overpaid, its only by a few million and most every team has contracts like that... and again... I really can't stress this enough... Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all are expiring contracts next year, so I'm really failing to see why there's so much handwringing by people about their deals.

[Sinobas]

Here's another hypothetical Simons trade.

Blazers get: Caris Lavert, Naji Marshall, Dante Exum (waived) and Cleveland's 2031 FRP (not sure what the protection would need to be).

Mavs get: Anfernee Simons and Ryan Rupert

Cavs get: PJ Washington

I've been playing around with Fanspo's trade machine and these contracts for Ayton, Grant, and Simons are rough. Woof.

Yeah man the struggle is real. It's like we constructed the most difficult dollar amount to match in trades without it being lopsided like a 3 for 1. Most of these moves may need to happen in the offseason and that's if we get off our butts and do something

I genuinely don't understand the consternation about their contracts. Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all have very movable short-term contracts.

If they're overpaid, its only by a few million and most every team has contracts like that... and again... I really can't stress this enough... Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all are expiring contracts next year, so I'm really failing to see why there's so much handwringing by people about their deals.

Their contracts aren't really relevant to our long term success. But it would be nice to get something for them rather than letting them walk for nothing. Though the chance of that with Thybulle is 0. (and I wouldn't mind keeping Ayton at half his current salary).

Grant is the one who is on the books when we'll be needing to resign current rookie scale players.

[DusterBuster]

Yeah man the struggle is real. It's like we constructed the most difficult dollar amount to match in trades without it being lopsided like a 3 for 1. Most of these moves may need to happen in the offseason and that's if we get off our butts and do something

I genuinely don't understand the consternation about their contracts. Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all have very movable short-term contracts.

If they're overpaid, its only by a few million and most every team has contracts like that... and again... I really can't stress this enough... Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all are expiring contracts next year, so I'm really failing to see why there's so much handwringing by people about their deals.

Their contracts aren't really relevant to our long term success. But it would be nice to get something for them rather than letting them walk for nothing. Though the chance of that with Thybulle is 0. (and I wouldn't mind keeping Ayton at half his current salary).

Grant is the one who is on the books when we'll be needing to resign current rookie scale players.

Obviously I agree about getting something for them vs letting them go for nothing. I was more talking about that because they’ve all got short term contracts, I’m confused why people are always talking about these guys like they all have absolutely unmovable deals.

[PDXKnight]

I genuinely don't understand the consternation about their contracts. Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all have very movable short-term contracts.

If they're overpaid, its only by a few million and most every team has contracts like that... and again... I really can't stress this enough... Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all are expiring contracts next year, so I'm really failing to see why there's so much handwringing by people about their deals.

Their contracts aren't really relevant to our long term success. But it would be nice to get something for them rather than letting them walk for nothing. Though the chance of that with Thybulle is 0. (and I wouldn't mind keeping Ayton at half his current salary).

Grant is the one who is on the books when we'll be needing to resign current rookie scale players.

Obviously I agree about getting something for them vs letting them go for nothing. I was more talking about that because they’ve all got short term contracts, I’m confused why people are always talking about these guys like they all have absolutely unmovable deals.

I don't think they're unmovable. But might be easier when they're expiring and FA has passed

[DusterBuster]

Their contracts aren't really relevant to our long term success. But it would be nice to get something for them rather than letting them walk for nothing. Though the chance of that with Thybulle is 0. (and I wouldn't mind keeping Ayton at half his current salary).

Grant is the one who is on the books when we'll be needing to resign current rookie scale players.

Obviously I agree about getting something for them vs letting them go for nothing. I was more talking about that because they’ve all got short term contracts, I’m confused why people are always talking about these guys like they all have absolutely unmovable deals.

I don't think they're unmovable. But might be easier when they're expiring and FA has passed

Seems to be a moot point by now. With how this team is playing, I can't imagine Cronin selling off any of the guys for spare parts and picks.

[PDXKnight]

Obviously I agree about getting something for them vs letting them go for nothing. I was more talking about that because they’ve all got short term contracts, I’m confused why people are always talking about these guys like they all have absolutely unmovable deals.

I don't think they're unmovable. But might be easier when they're expiring and FA has passed

Seems to be a moot point by now. With how this team is playing, I can't imagine Cronin selling off any of the guys for spare parts and picks.

You're probably right. But it feels like sort of a moment to sell high. We will come down to earth and it's hard to imagine us beating anyone out for the 10 spot in a competitive west

[Walton1one]

Here's another hypothetical Simons trade.

Blazers get: Caris Lavert, Naji Marshall, Dante Exum (waived) and Cleveland's 2031 FRP (not sure what the protection would need to be).

Mavs get: Anfernee Simons and Ryan Rupert

Cavs get: PJ Washington

I've been playing around with Fanspo's trade machine and these contracts for Ayton, Grant, and Simons are rough. Woof.

Yeah man the struggle is real. It's like we constructed the most difficult dollar amount to match in trades without it being lopsided like a 3 for 1. Most of these moves may need to happen in the offseason and that's if we get off our butts and do something

I genuinely don't understand the consternation about their contracts. Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all have very movable short-term contracts.

If they're overpaid, its only by a few million and most every team has contracts like that... and again... I really can't stress this enough... Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all are expiring contracts next year, so I'm really failing to see why there's so much handwringing by people about their deals.

I agree for the most part, I would say that Ayton!s contract is not very good either, but it is expiring after next season

Simons is overpaid, but it’s not that bad, also expiring after next season, and both Thybulle & RW3 decent deals should be movable contracts, the question is if Cronin capable of seeing the bigger picture, or does he see this latest win streak at home and think that he should just stay the course?

The problem is the value of all these players is only going to go down in the off-season and down again at next years’ trade deadline, but I’ll bet you, Joe keeps them, he loves & over values his own players as much as Olshey did

[oldfishermen]

I don't think they're unmovable. But might be easier when they're expiring and FA has passed

Seems to be a moot point by now. With how this team is playing, I can't imagine Cronin selling off any of the guys for spare parts and picks.

You're probably right. But it feels like sort of a moment to sell high. We will come down to earth and it's hard to imagine us beating anyone out for the 10 spot in a competitive west

On yoir list, Simons should be the easiest to trade. But...

Which player would you rather have? Simons @ $26 million, or, Jue Holiday @ $30 million?

Jrue has way more trade value than Simons. Teams were lined up to trade for Jrue.

BTW, I was pissed we traded Jrue.

[PDXKnight]

Seems to be a moot point by now. With how this team is playing, I can't imagine Cronin selling off any of the guys for spare parts and picks.

You're probably right. But it feels like sort of a moment to sell high. We will come down to earth and it's hard to imagine us beating anyone out for the 10 spot in a competitive west

On yoir list, Simons should be the easiest to trade. But...

Which player would you rather have? Simons @ $26 million, or, Jue Holiday @ $30 million?

Jrue has way more trade value than Simons. Teams were lined up to trade for Jrue.

BTW, I was pissed we traded Jrue.

Obviously Jrue is a better player and worth more to most teams. When you look at the jrue trade we essentially gave up jrue for deni which is a trade i can live with given our trajectory. I'm not so sure I'd want jrue on a long term deal as the back end of that might be tough to stomach. For Boston it makes sense since they're contending but with the Blazers pretty clearly out of that picture for a few years at least (if not more) that contract wouldn't make nearly as much sense for us

[Tim Lehrbach]

Here's another hypothetical Simons trade.

Blazers get: Caris Lavert, Naji Marshall, Dante Exum (waived) and Cleveland's 2031 FRP (not sure what the protection would need to be).

Mavs get: Anfernee Simons and Ryan Rupert

Cavs get: PJ Washington

I've been playing around with Fanspo's trade machine and these contracts for Ayton, Grant, and Simons are rough. Woof.

Yeah man the struggle is real. It's like we constructed the most difficult dollar amount to match in trades without it being lopsided like a 3 for 1. Most of these moves may need to happen in the offseason and that's if we get off our butts and do something

I genuinely don't understand the consternation about their contracts. Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all have very movable short-term contracts.

If they're overpaid, its only by a few million and most every team has contracts like that... and again... I really can't stress this enough... Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all are expiring contracts next year, so I'm really failing to see why there's so much handwringing by people about their deals.

I beat this drum enough, so I'm not saying anything new, but the biggest problem with moving this thread's titular players is their contracts. It's not because they are so wildly overpaid, but because any suitor has to trade matching salary in return. That salary is very likely attached to somebody already contributing to the rotation. So, to acquire one of these guys, you've got to justify giving up a player the Blazers probably won't value, like your 6-7th man, and something the Blazers will value, like a draft pick. That is a really tough sell. If they were owed less money, you could rummage through the end of your bench and cobble together salaries to match.

[DusterBuster]

Yeah man the struggle is real. It's like we constructed the most difficult dollar amount to match in trades without it being lopsided like a 3 for 1. Most of these moves may need to happen in the offseason and that's if we get off our butts and do something

I genuinely don't understand the consternation about their contracts. Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all have very movable short-term contracts.

If they're overpaid, its only by a few million and most every team has contracts like that... and again... I really can't stress this enough... Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all are expiring contracts next year, so I'm really failing to see why there's so much handwringing by people about their deals.

I beat this drum enough, so I'm not saying anything new, but the biggest problem with moving this thread's titular players is their contracts. It's not because they are so wildly overpaid, but because any suitor has to trade matching salary in return. That salary is very likely attached to somebody already contributing to the rotation. So, to acquire one of these guys, you've got to justify giving up a player the Blazers probably won't value, like your 6-7th man, and something the Blazers will value, like a draft pick. That is a really tough sell. If they were owed less money, you could rummage through the end of your bench and cobble together salaries to match.

But the drum I beat enough is that ... it's not hard to match salaries with their contracts?

[Tim Lehrbach]

I trust Cronin totally. He’s proven he’s a good a$$ gm, and moves patiently/doesn’t listen to outside forces.

Hey, I know we disagree wildly on this team's trajectory and the quality of its build, but this comment stands out as meriting attention. For better or worse, it does appear Cronin is not swayed by the winds of what is popular or demanded by the chronically online. Real GMs are under pressure to succeed, so he can only be so patient, but heck, maybe his vision is right and we're all wrong, like you've been saying. And, all my pessimism has consistently supported the idea that we can't trade these guys for anything worthwhile, anyway. If that's true, the malpractice of which we all accuse Cronin really isn't that -- it's just a tough spot for any GM.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I genuinely don't understand the consternation about their contracts. Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all have very movable short-term contracts.

If they're overpaid, its only by a few million and most every team has contracts like that... and again... I really can't stress this enough... Grant aside, Ayton, Simons, Thybulle and Williams all are expiring contracts next year, so I'm really failing to see why there's so much handwringing by people about their deals.

I beat this drum enough, so I'm not saying anything new, but the biggest problem with moving this thread's titular players is their contracts. It's not because they are so wildly overpaid, but because any suitor has to trade matching salary in return. That salary is very likely attached to somebody already contributing to the rotation. So, to acquire one of these guys, you've got to justify giving up a player the Blazers probably won't value, like your 6-7th man, and something the Blazers will value, like a draft pick. That is a really tough sell. If they were owed less money, you could rummage through the end of your bench and cobble together salaries to match.

But the drum I beat enough is that ... it's not hard to match salaries with their contracts?

Still disagree. If it were easy, there would be a lot more good proposals circulating. I may be the one in the wrong here, but damn near every idea that gets floated in the media or on RealGM seems unwise for the other party. And, of course, no trades have been made. This could be Cronin "sitting on his hands," or it could be unwillingness to part with rotation players and draft capital or young talent for our guys.

Not to go around in circles, but can you tell me one trade for any of these guys that (a) is a good deal for the other team and (b) is better for the Blazers than holding on to the incumbents/letting them expire? We're like 55 pages in, and there is no runaway candidate for a great trade. Now, you might lean on the unknowable: we don't know how badly some GM out there wants one of these three (or Williams, etc.). But the clock is ticking, and nobody is pouncing.

EDIT: I didn't quite respond to you there. In a very basic sense, you are of course correct: it's not that hard to match their contracts. The point I am consistently adding is that the value of the players attached to those contracts has to be considered. It matters to any trade partner that they have to give up a contributor or contributors to equal the salaries of our guys.

[DusterBuster]

Kuzma to Bucks.

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Grant for Middleton dead, but likely was never alive to begin. Not sure Cronin even would do that.

[PDXKnight]

Kuzma to Bucks.

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Grant for Middleton dead, but likely was never alive to begin. Not sure Cronin even would do that.

If we are using this as a gauge I think jerami has negative value

[BlazersBroncos]

Kuzma to Bucks.

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Grant for Middleton dead, but likely was never alive to begin. Not sure Cronin even would do that.

If we are using this as a gauge I think jerami has negative value

He does.

[DusterBuster]

Kuzma to Bucks.

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Grant for Middleton dead, but likely was never alive to begin. Not sure Cronin even would do that.

If we are using this as a gauge I think jerami has negative value

I would say he probably does, but I'm also not sure how motivated Cronin is to move him anyway right now.

Also, there was some salary considerations here they made. Kuz got them under the 2nd apron, he also has a declining contract and less years on his deal than Jerami. Both he and Jerami are having bad years, so if the stats are the same, of course you go with the guy with a better contract.