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Re: Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything? 

Post#1141 » by PDXKnight » Wed Feb 5, 2025 8:01 pm

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Certainly, that is a factor for some teams, it is most years.

The problem for POR is, that Cronin grossly misused cap space by matching on guy like Thybulle ($11mil) instead of letting him walk and then using that cap space to absorb contracts for assets like several other teams (CHA, WAS, DET, UTA, BRK) are all doing.

Thybulle could opt out of his deal at the end of the year (he has a PO) and POR could have gotten nothing for retaining him, and even if you believe that Cronin will trade him at the deadline, chances are it will bring back less than what he would have gotten with that cap space.

The reason to match was to retain the value of an asset, was it not? Certainly, not what he provides on the court, as he has not played all year and where would he even get minutes on this roster? Just a complete waste of an asset (in this case, cap space).


There's no way thy declines that option unfortunately


I would not be so sure given the new CBA.

Thybulle will be 28 next year, 29 when he is a FA in 26/27. He is a fringy rotational player on a good team. If a team is interested in him, he could turn down his $11 PO and then sign a multi year 3-4 year deal with that team at a lower rate, or a descending contract and end up better off financially

Imagine if it started at $11mil, then went to $8/$8/$8 for example. What guarantees does he have under the new CBA that he could get that in 26/27? Take a 1yr PO for $11mil and then see what he can get 2 seasons from now or opt out and secure $35mil for himself now. We will see what happens if he is still here next offseason, besides there is no room int he rotation for him here.


On the flip side teams seem more conscious of spending lately and that 11 mil may be what he makes in 2 seasons on the next contract. Plus being out most of this year he may opt for that final year to prove he's worth another decent contract rather than gamble on taking a 3/21 sort of deal
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Re: Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything? 

Post#1142 » by Sinobas » Wed Feb 5, 2025 8:33 pm

I'd just be surprised if we don't trade Robert Williams for something. We rarely even play him. I imagine some team has to want him for the playoffs. He's on a very tradable contract.
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Post#1143 » by DusterBuster » Wed Feb 5, 2025 8:50 pm

Sinobas wrote:I'd just be surprised if we don't trade Robert Williams for something. We rarely even play him. I imagine some team has to want him for the playoffs. He's on a very tradable contract.


Teams don't want to pay for what he brings. Blazers like he brings to the roster and he can help keep Clingan healing as he gets used to NBA conditioning more than a couple of second rounders - which I can't disagree with. Considering he doesn't have a bad contract, I would sooner just keep TL and let him walk for nothing than give him away for second rounders.
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Post#1144 » by Walton1one » Wed Feb 5, 2025 9:57 pm

Looks like SAC traded for Valanciunas, looks like WAS got (2) 2nd's

EDIT: Looks like WAS got a young player, Cidy Sissoko as well

POR plays SAC tomorrow, they will look like a fairly different team: Monk\Lavine\Derozan\Murray\Sabonis - with Ellis\Carter\Valunciunas coming off the bench

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Post#1145 » by Walton1one » Wed Feb 5, 2025 10:07 pm

Danny Marang was insisting that there would not be many trades at the deadline b\c of the new CBA, and that no teams were going to move big contracts (like the level Simons\Grant\Ayton are at). Well, both have happened, repeatedly.

We will see if Cronin makes a deal, but it sure appears that he will not, but with the amount of trades, it sure reflects poorly on this front office, that they have multiple players that could\need to be moved and yet they make no moves, again.

Remember, the POR front office was ranked among the worst by fellow GM's....

Other NBA front offices have taken notice, as have insiders. The Athletic's Sam Amick, John Hollinger, and Mike Vorkunov recently polled 40 executives around the league. They ranked the best front offices in the NBA. Portland was nowhere near the list. In fact, they didn't get a single vote as one of the best front offices.


Overall, 21 teams picked up at least one point.

The Portland Trail Blazers received no top-five votes, for a total of zero points. They joined a list of zero-point teams featuring the Charlotte Hornets, Sacramento Kings, Atlanta Hawks, New Orleans Pelicans, Detroit Pistons, and Los Angeles Lakers.


I think every team on that list has made a deal recently, except POR?
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Post#1146 » by Walton1one » Wed Feb 5, 2025 10:34 pm

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Post#1147 » by Walton1one » Wed Feb 5, 2025 10:41 pm

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Outside of Butler, I think that is every big name that was rumored to potentially be on the move at this years' deadline?

What teams linked to POR players have not yet made a trade?

ORL?
DET?
GS? Although they are reportedly involved with PHX & MIA in the messy Butler\MIA divorce
HOU?
Maybe CLE or MEM, both seem like longshots?
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Post#1148 » by oldfishermen » Wed Feb 5, 2025 11:49 pm

Interesting trade idea, (not mine)

Blazers get Knecht & Vincent

Lakers get RW3, 2 second round picks, and we probably need to add one more player to open a roster spot. (maybe Rubert?)

Lakers get a center and two draft picks to play with.
Blazers get a good young player in Kecht. Vincent is needed to match $.
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Post#1149 » by DusterBuster » Wed Feb 5, 2025 11:54 pm

oldfishermen wrote:Interesting trade idea, (not mine)

Blazers get Knecht & Vincent

Lakers get RW3, 2 second round picks, and we probably need to add one more player to open a roster spot. (maybe Rubert?)

Lakers get a center and two draft picks to play with.
Blazers get a good young player in Kecht. Vincent is needed to match $.


Lakers aren't trading Knecht for RW3.
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Re: Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything? 

Post#1150 » by PDXKnight » Thu Feb 6, 2025 12:09 am

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oldfishermen wrote:Interesting trade idea, (not mine)

Blazers get Knecht & Vincent

Lakers get RW3, 2 second round picks, and we probably need to add one more player to open a roster spot. (maybe Rubert?)

Lakers get a center and two draft picks to play with.
Blazers get a good young player in Kecht. Vincent is needed to match $.


Lakers aren't trading Knecht for RW3.


This. I think one could reasonably ask if they'd even trade knect + filler for Sharpe given knects rookie deal
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Post#1151 » by Walton1one » Thu Feb 6, 2025 12:09 am

I wouldn't be so sure Duster, I think they would rather deal Knecht than part with an unprotected 31' 1st

I am not sure that Cronin has any interest in Knecht though?
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Post#1152 » by oldfishermen » Thu Feb 6, 2025 12:22 am

DusterBuster wrote:
oldfishermen wrote:Interesting trade idea, (not mine)

Blazers get Knecht & Vincent

Lakers get RW3, 2 second round picks, and we probably need to add one more player to open a roster spot. (maybe Rubert?)

Lakers get a center and two draft picks to play with.
Blazers get a good young player in Knecht. Vincent is needed to match $.


Lakers aren't trading Knecht for RW3.


Lakers need 2 centers, how about?

RW3, Reath, and 2 second round pics for Knecht + salary match
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Re: Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything? 

Post#1153 » by Butter » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:02 am

Man, I would love to be a fly on the wall IN Cronin office tonight.

Hopefully he's actually working.
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Post#1154 » by zzaj » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:14 am

Butter wrote:Man, I would love to be a fly on the wall IN Cronin office tonight.

Hopefully he's actually working.


I have a sneaking suspicion he's working to UPGRADE the roster rather than downgrade it...

He's probably actually PROUD of the work he's done to build a wannabe play-in team out of a playoff team.
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Post#1155 » by Walton1one » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:16 am

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Post#1156 » by DusterBuster » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:20 am

I only have one thought about the Butler trade, and that is...


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Post#1157 » by Walton1one » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:23 am

I think this takes GS out of interest (if they ever were) for POR players, one less team for Joe to strike a deal with.

Is Joe really going to keep all the players on this team and try to sell that it is for the better? lol
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Post#1158 » by Sinobas » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:25 am

Walton1one wrote:
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And there it is....finally

Poor Kunta Kinte is getting traded. :noway:
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Post#1159 » by DusterBuster » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:33 am

Walton1one wrote:I think this takes GS out of interest (if they ever were) for POR players, one less team for Joe to strike a deal with.

Is Joe really going to keep all the players on this team and try to sell that it is for the better? lol


Someone should do a wellness check on Joe Cronin? Maybe he had a pre-planned vacation this week he booked by accident?

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The final deets of this deal seem far from announced... Jake Fischer mentioned Utah was involved getting Schroder... Now Haynes has this as a 5 team deal...
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Post#1160 » by DusterBuster » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:55 am

This deal killed RGM for a minute there...
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