If Portland blows it up...

[Norm2953]

Edit: You can object to the point without such escalation. -- Moonbeam

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Edit: You know better, Wiz. Don't do this. -- Moonbeam

+1, only one place there is a constant stream of pure BS from

In total agreement

[HoopsFanAZ]

Sound familiar?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/262851/Kristaps-Porzingis-Frustrated-With-Role-On-Mavericks

CJ for Porzingis. Who’s with me?!?!

[MagicBagley18]

Don’t think dame is going anywhere. Means too much to you guys, rooting for u to add some improvements and right the ship. Dodged a bullet not getting Kidd. Praying Celtics don’t hire him either lol.

If Portland blew it up the dame offer for us would be ; brown/smart/timelord 3-4 1sts 2 swaps.

[DusterBuster]

Sound familiar?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/262851/Kristaps-Porzingis-Frustrated-With-Role-On-Mavericks

CJ for Porzingis. Who’s with me?!?!

Dude can't stay healthy. I'm not against the idea in theory, but not sold on it in reality. He's been incapable of proving he can stay on the court for a full season or that he's able to tailor his game enough to not be the #1 guy on a team.

[d-train]

Sound familiar?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/262851/Kristaps-Porzingis-Frustrated-With-Role-On-Mavericks

CJ for Porzingis. Who’s with me?!?!

Doncic is with you. CJ would help make Doncic a contender in the west. All they would need is a big man the quality of Nurkic, and Mavs would dominate the west for the foreseeable future.

Porzingis is big and is a good athlete for his size, but doesn't compete. He spends too much time on the perimeter watching his team be dominated in the paint. Fortunately, Mavs have Doncic, who is tough in the paint for his size.

I don't want Portzingis. I wouldn't trade any of our forwards for him. His talent is intriguing, but not enough for that salary.

[Norm2953]

Porzingas would fit in nicely with Portland's long history of injured bigs

[Epicurus]

Porzingas would fit in nicely with Portland's long history of injured bigs

But not Olshey's proclivity to short and underweight forwards. The biggest difference btween the 2019 squad and the 2020 squad was rebounding. Olshey dealt with that by bringing is '6"7 small forward to be the power forward (at least until the alleged return of Collins) and a 6'5 SF. Both rail thin and begging to be pushed around.

[Moonbeam]

Everyone, I get that this has been a disappointing end to the season. However, that's no excuse to bend or break the forum rules. Feel free to debate the state of the team and the degree to which the front office, coaches, or players are accountable, but please do so in a way that addresses the points raised as opposed to the people raising them.

[NYG]

What would the Knicks need to give up in a McCollum deal?

[BlazersBroncos]

What would the Knicks need to give up in a McCollum deal?

A 3rd team would have to be involved, and that team would need to have a player of similar talent but a forward and willing to move him for a picks/prospects package + TPE from NYK. I dont see a way to do a direct trade w/ NYK as we need guys to win now, not youngsters with potential or picks.

I would be interested in a 3-way where we get DDR and SAS gets a few picks and a TPE (Assuming a true rebuild is finally the direction they are willing to go). I would prefer something along the lines of CJ + Bag of 1st round picks for someone like Butler or Pascal but I think thats unlikely. DDR balances the roster at least, gives us a secondary ballhandler finally, attacks the rim unlike CJ and is Dame's buddy.

[Epicurus]

Maybe I misunderstood Olshey, but in his mind this with minor tweaking is the existing roster to get into the championship, assuming a coach with a defensive vision is found. He put together a championship team. Yes, he came off that delusional.

[Wizenheimer]

Edit: You can object to the point without such escalation. -- Moonbeam

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Edit: You know better, Wiz. Don't do this. -- Moonbeam

that's not true though

he says crap like that all the time, especially to me. That's the main reason I stopped posting here

[d-train]

Edit: You can object to the point without such escalation. -- Moonbeam

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Edit: You know better, Wiz. Don't do this. -- Moonbeam

that's not true though

he says crap like that all the time, especially to me. That's the main reason I stopped posting here

I made no comment about you. I challenged the factual basis of what you said. And, I asked some questions with obvious answers that underscored the credibility deficiency in your assertions.

[JasonStern]

What would the Knicks need to give up in a McCollum deal?

While CJ would thrive in New York, the Knicks would be better off outbidding Portland for Powell and keeping their assets.

[Epicurus]

No need to blow it up. NO will get that new head coach who will improve the defense substantially and keep the offense purring at it usual rate. Indeed the starting 3 guard lineup did that for the regular season and the playoffs, while on the court together. NO will be betting that his incredibly sound draft picks of previous seasons, Simmons and Little, will produce even more next year, and don't forget Collins, another of NO's incredible draft picks, to provide a better non-starter, less slippage from the starting unit, reserves. NO is right, no need to do much, except clean off a spot for the championship trophy.

[Norm2953]

The premise in this thread is "IF".

It depends on how one defines if for one can define any trade of either Dame or CJ as blowing it all up
but I would find it difficult to believe any decent HC would come to Portland if all that was done to
the roster was a minor tweaking of the team that got Terry Stotts, fired one day after Portland lost
game six. Whoever is going to be the coach is going to need the pieces to implement their system
and its simply absurd for the new HC to gamble on chronically injured players like Zach and Nurk
to backstop weak perimeter defenders. Likely even NO knows this and no matter what he is saying to
the public, he understands Dame's continued loyalty only goes so far and will have to try to make
the moves he likely should have made prior to the Dame/CJ extensions.

[d-train]

If people would listen to what Olshey said, instead of tantruming like children. He said Blazers will do everything within their control, and pursue every opportunity they don't control to improve the team. Naturally, the press conference was about what the team controls. You would have to be an idiot to expect Olshey to make announcements about what he doesn't control. But, the media are idiots and that's what they expected. If Olshey isn't going to be an idiot's idiot, he must be dismissed with Stotts.

[Waynearchetype]

If people would listen to what Olshey said, instead of tantruming like children. He said Blazers will do everything within their control, and pursue every opportunity they don't control to improve the team. Naturally, the press conference was about what the team controls. You would have to be an idiot to expect Olshey to make announcements about what he doesn't control. But, the media are idiots and that's what they expected. If Olshey isn't going to be an idiot's idiot, he must be dismissed with Stotts.

Criticizing your team is often difficult because we are fans of the team, we all have a bias to like our team. Coming in to a space where fans generally want to keep positive makes trying to be objective even more difficult. The people who do it aren't throwing a tantrum. A lot of us are older as well, we know salesman lingo, and we typically know how shallow it is. Combine that with having a leader who is throwing former employee under the bus sounds a bit alarm in our heads. In a leadership role, and GM is pretty much top of the food chain here, the buck NEEDS to stop with you, even if things technically aren't your fault. That is leadership 101, pretty basic stuff.

[d-train]

If people would listen to what Olshey said, instead of tantruming like children. He said Blazers will do everything within their control, and pursue every opportunity they don't control to improve the team. Naturally, the press conference was about what the team controls. You would have to be an idiot to expect Olshey to make announcements about what he doesn't control. But, the media are idiots and that's what they expected. If Olshey isn't going to be an idiot's idiot, he must be dismissed with Stotts.

Criticizing your team is often difficult because we are fans of the team, we all have a bias to like our team. Coming in to a space where fans generally want to keep positive makes trying to be objective even more difficult. The people who do it aren't throwing a tantrum. A lot of us are older as well, we know salesman lingo, and we typically know how shallow it is. Combine that with having a leader who is throwing former employee under the bus sounds a bit alarm in our heads. In a leadership role, and GM is pretty much top of the food chain here, the buck NEEDS to stop with you, even if things technically aren't your fault. That is leadership 101, pretty basic stuff.

I wish I had a transcript of the presser so I could post it here. Name one thing he blamed on Stotts. He said nothing but positive complimentary things about Stotts. He said Stotts was a friend and he did an outstanding job for almost a decade. He also made what he characterized as a tough decision to replace Stotts. And, he believes a new coach will help the team get better. Where is the basis of the BS, "throw him under the bus" narrative?

He also debunked many false stories being made up in the press. He offered to debunk more, but the cowards didn't take him up on his offer. Like the list of coaching candidates that Olshey laughed at and said there is no list, not yet. He asked Lillard who he likes, and Lillard named 2 people he likes, which he noted wasn't good for the candidates. Olshey said eventually a list of 20 or more candidates will be compiled and vetted.

There was decent amount of information shared. Too bad nobody was there to listen. There was a couple good questions, but not enough.

[Waynearchetype]

I wish I had a transcript of the presser so I could post it here. Name one thing he blamed on Stotts. He said nothing but positive complimentary things about Stotts. He said Stotts was a friend and he did an outstanding job for almost a decade. He also made what he characterized as a tough decision to replace Stotts. And, he believes a new coach will help the team get better. Where is the basis of the BS, "throw him under the bus" narrative?

He also debunked many false stories being made up in the press. He offered to debunk more, but the cowards didn't take him up on his offer. Like the list of coaching candidates that Olshey laughed at and said there is no list, not yet. He asked Lillard who he likes, and Lillard named 2 people he likes, which he noted wasn't good for the candidates. Olshey said eventually a list of 20 or more candidates will be compiled and vetted.

There was decent amount of information shared. Too bad nobody was there to listen. There was a couple good questions, but not enough.

Are you joking? How do you interpret the sentence "The defense was not a product of the roster". That's the big thing because it was partly a question about his own job security. That answer is saying "I am responsible for the job of roster construction, but the roster construction isn't the reason why our defense is so bad." Ironically, he then takes credit for the offense by saying "We've benefited from the offense I've cultured, but we've been hit on the defensive side of the culture". So he takes credit for the good, but insists the bad isn't part of the roster (the thing that he is responsible for).

And at the end of the day, Olshey made the move to get Norman Powell. A starting caliber SG, one who expects to start (and if Olshey was being honest about wanting to retain Norm, was likely promised he could start). In a roster already criticized for its defense with questions about running a combo guard at SG, Olshey chose to go in the direction of getting even smaller. He also chose to get Kanter and Carmelo, both players who are good enough to play but don't really fit together. Both would have been absolutely drama-filled if denied playing time. If the defense is not a product of the roster and the roster is loaded with defensive liabilities and people playing out of position, i'm not really sure what you could have expected Stotts to do.

And at the end of the day, it doesn't even matter. If you have ever been in a management position, you should know that you need to choose your words carefully, and you are expected to take the blame for those under you. Even if he did not intend to shift the blame onto Stotts, most normal people would interpret it that way, and its entirely his fault for doing so.