show me one realistic Dame trade

[Wizenheimer]

I can't see one realistic win now move if Sharpe is untouchable and 3 is only available for an elite player.

If Miami fails to win the title, I could see them pushing in all their chips and offering up a Lillard
trade built around Tyler Herro, with a goal of building a core of Dame, Jimmy and Bam.

Presumably Miami's pick (18) would be one of those MIami picks for Portland deals and there would
be the usual future picks/swaps with Herro being spun off to a third team

If Dame asks out, I think Miami can build a feasible package. Ideally w/ Herro to ORL for 11 and tons of draft capital to PDX.

Basically turning Dame into Duncan Robinson, Jovic, 11, 18 and a number of future UNP FRP. Its not ideal, but we are not sending him to a spot that isnt a contender IMO. We will accommodate within reason.

Jovic is a legit prospect. Many saw him as a Top-10 guy at the start of the 21/22 season. Could be Gallo caliber IMO. Actually got some run in Preseason and showed out (16mpg, 9.8ppg, 5.4rpg, 3apg, 1spg, .6bpg).

I wish people would quit imagining that a player who can't be traded until 3 weeks after the draft can be traded for 2023 picks. It's simply not going to happen no matter how many contingent provisions and how much wishful thinking are added.

besides that we all know Portland won't be trading Dame unless he asks out and he isn't going to ask out prior to a good part of the off-season being completed and he sees what Cronin can get done

so delete 11 and 18 from the discussion, and then deal with the reality that because of the Stepian Rule, Miami does NOT have any first round picks free until 2028. So the best pick capital Portland could get from Miami would be the 2028 first, a 2029 swap, and a 2030 first. And people haven't paid attention to Pat Riley's career as GM & President if they believe he'll move picks that far in the future as unprotected. He won't do that, IMO

[Wizenheimer]

Just curious what Blazers fans think of this proposal… go easy on me;

Heat trade:

G Kyle Lowry
G Tyler Herro
F Caleb Martin
F Nikola Jovic
2023 1st Round Pick #18 Overall
2027 1st Round Pick

Blazers trade:

G Damian Lillard
G Keon Johnson
F Nasir Little
F Jabari Walker

As a side note, I’d move Simons for Joe Harris, #21, and #22.

G Scoot Henderson/Kyle Lowry
G Tyler Herro/Jordan Hawkins
F Shaeden Sharpe/Joe Harris/Rayan Rupert
F Caleb Martin/Nikola Jovic
C Jusuf Nurkic/Noah Clowney

Dame can't be traded till July 10 and he isn't going to ask to be traded at the draft. At earliest it might be sometime around training camp.

so, IMO, it's pointless to be proposing Dame is traded for 2023 picks

and no, Dame won't be traded for a couple of non-lottery picks. The earliest 1st Miami has, that's realistic in any fashion, is in 2028...5 long years from now...for a top-10-ish player. geeeeeezuzzz

[JKiddy]

I think POR's Management and Ownership is so in love with Dame that they will end up trading Sharpe to keep him.

If they don't move Sharpe (what it seems like what is needed for a star to keep Dame) then Dame is likely gone in the summer.

What would you guys choose? Dame or Sharpe? That is what it seems like the issue is here.

NBA teams will not give up their star to appease POR without getting #3 and Sharpe in return at this point.

Honestly, I think I would trade Dame and get as much as possible for him to rebuild.

[Wizenheimer]

I think POR's Management and Ownership is so in love with Dame that they will end up trading Sharpe to keep him.

If they don't move Sharpe (what it seems like what is needed for a star to keep Dame) then Dame is likely gone in the summer.

What would you guys choose? Dame or Sharpe? That is what it seems like the issue is here.

NBA teams will not give up their star to appease POR without getting #3 and Sharpe in return at this point.

Honestly, I think I would trade Dame and get as much as possible for him to rebuild.

Portland has already said they aren't trading Sharpe and Dame himself has praised Sharpe

[JKiddy]

I am reading in between the lines. It looks like teams will offer a decent player for #3 and Simons. But, Dame does not like the players being offered. It seems like he knows if they offer Sharpe with the #3 he can possibly get a player who can help him go further in the playoffs.

I agree with management here. Let Dame go. Keep Sharpe.

[DusterBuster]

I am reading in between the lines. It looks like teams will offer a decent player for #3 and Simons. But, Dame does not like the players being offered. It seems like he knows if they offer Sharpe with the #3 he can possibly get a player who can help him go further in the playoffs.

I agree with management here. Let Dame go. Keep Sharpe.

Not what management is saying here, just the voices in your head bro. I know your sport pants are tight because Dame said Brooklyn on TV the other day, but nothing is happening yet.

Is the Brooklyn board that boring right now? You can't go over there to get your panties in a bind over Dame?

[DusterBuster]

Just curious what Blazers fans think of this proposal… go easy on me;

Heat trade:

G Kyle Lowry
G Tyler Herro
F Caleb Martin
F Nikola Jovic
2023 1st Round Pick #18 Overall
2027 1st Round Pick

Blazers trade:

G Damian Lillard
G Keon Johnson
F Nasir Little
F Jabari Walker

As a side note, I’d move Simons for Joe Harris, #21, and #22.

G Scoot Henderson/Kyle Lowry
G Tyler Herro/Jordan Hawkins
F Shaeden Sharpe/Joe Harris/Rayan Rupert
F Caleb Martin/Nikola Jovic
C Jusuf Nurkic/Noah Clowney

Dame can't be traded till July 10 and he isn't going to ask to be traded at the draft. At earliest it might be sometime around training camp.

so, IMO, it's pointless to be proposing Dame is traded for 2023 picks

and no, Dame won't be traded for a couple of non-lottery picks. The earliest 1st Miami has, that's realistic in any fashion, is in 2028...5 long years from now...for a top-10-ish player. geeeeeezuzzz

This is legit the worst part of the year with this forum. I'll be happy when the Dame situation is resolved one way or another just so these fans stay on their own board vs salivating over the Blazers players here. At least during the draft, there's enough happening with their own teams they won't be here.

[TyCobb]

I’m not a Heat or Blazers fan I’m just posting on a site called RealGM. As you were.

[JKiddy]

I am reading in between the lines. It looks like teams will offer a decent player for #3 and Simons. But, Dame does not like the players being offered. It seems like he knows if they offer Sharpe with the #3 he can possibly get a player who can help him go further in the playoffs.

I agree with management here. Let Dame go. Keep Sharpe.

Not what management is saying here, just the voices in your head bro. I know your sport pants are tight because Dame said Brooklyn on TV the other day, but nothing is happening yet.

Is the Brooklyn board that boring right now? You can't go over there to get your panties in a bind over Dame?

I am not using fighting words or antagonizing you. Why are you getting pissy with me? WTF did I do??

[DusterBuster]

I’m not a Heat or Blazers fan I’m just posting on a site called RealGM. As you were.

Still a trash trade suggestion.

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Thanks for that DB

[red_power]

Sharpe is a perfect sidekick next to Dame and, even more importantly, he's on a deal with 3 more years of rookie scale salary left. It doesn't make any sense to include him in a package for any player lower than Embiid/Giannis/Tatum's level.

[DusterBuster]

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It's what I really hate about the discourse on this website over the whole situation. It's either wildly simplistic or entirely disingenuous, just like the national media discussion around it. Fans from other teams are either here under a paper-thin veil of "I just want to have a discussion!" or because *zombie voice* "Portland trade Dame" *zombie voice*. No one actually wants to consider that the Blazers FO and organization DOES have some say here.

The reality is Dame is probably never going to full-on demand a trade. You listen to anyone who's close to Dame and/or the FO, they're very clear about that. Even as recently as today, those with insider knowledge who've actually TALKED to the principles involved here don't believe Dame will ever fully demand out. The front office can read between the lines and the simple fact of that matter is, like CJ (and Marang) said, the franchise knows they're at a crossroads just like Dame does. Cronin and the FO is likely taking offers on nearly everything right now, Dame included, and they'll largely do what's in the best interest of the club.

If by the end of FA, the team is still super young and doesn't have the veterans Dame needs, then they'll decide it's time to trade him and they can then work with him to find a landing spot... just like they did with CJ. CJ never asked out, but the franchise realized it was time to make that move and did it. The same situation very well may play out with Dame, but they're also still looking at options for staying competitive with Dame. No path is chosen, nothing is set in stone right now and I'm very very VERY tired of the outsider's opinions at this point. We already get it from all sides in the national media, so I have very little appetite to discuss it ad nauseam on RealGM, especially on the PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS board.

[DusterBuster]

Sharpe is a perfect sidekick next to Dame and, even more importantly, he's on a deal with 3 more years of rookie scale salary left. It doesn't make any sense to include him in a package for any player lower than Embiid/Giannis/Tatum's level.

I'm big on tea-leaf reading with the NBA, so I think the Pooh Jeter news today was telling. I think that's a pretty clear sign that Miller is a lock to go to Charlotte, leaving Scoot to Portland. At this point, I think I'd be pretty shocked if Charlotte didn't take Miller. Given Pooh's connection to Scoot, I would think that means the Blazers have every intention of keeping Scoot and not moving him for a player like Siakam.

Ok, so where does that leave Dame? I think this could be a sign they plan on keeping Dame and giving Scoot a year to come along slowly. He can spend a year under Dame (someone who Scoot idolized, he said Dame was his favorite player last year and texted him personally for professional advice as a player) and if he needs to go to the G-League, he'd have his OTHER mentor Jeter there. This still does not mean Dame won't be traded, but the likelihood of it happening this summer is slim imo. We may be looking at a deadline deal or (god help us) next offseason. As Dame said himself, that's what he expects too.

What I suspect the Blazers are going to do is this... I think they take Scoot with the plan I lined out above. I think they are going to do something with Ant. Ant is expendable regardless of what happens with Dame when you have Scoot and Sharpe. So you find a way to get rid of that pick debt to Chicago. You package Ant and future picks for a veteran... maybe not to the level you can get with the #3, but still an impact guy like an OG, LaVine or DeRozen for that SF spot. Use the MLE in some fashion on a backup C upgrade that could potentially be a solid starter if Nurk is moved or injured (Christian Wood comes to mind). Get as much other cheaper vet help as possible. Resign Grant, then just see what happens...

So at that point you're looking at a roster like this to start the season... (I'll assume they can get something done for DeRozen for Ant and ill just assume they get Wood as a placeholder for a MLE center)

Dame/Scoot
Sharpe/Thybulle
DeRozen/Little
Grant/Brown
Nurkic/Wood

On paper, this is an interesting squad. If they flop mid-season, then you can look at trading Dame at the deadline and that's probably the non-verbal agreement Dame and Cronin already have agreed upon.

[red_power]

Yeah Blazers desperately need to flip one of their guards for a big man if we go with Scoot in the draft

[Norm2953]

Portland still has a big need for a big, strong bodied C/PF and will likely will shop Ant to
get their guy. Unless they think James Nnaji is that guy at 23, they will have to move up
and hope Derek Lively develops into this guy.

Old friend Mason Plumlee is out there as a free agent for the short term

[red_power]

I'm not much of an expert in draft prospects but Clowney and Murray seem to be a much better selection than Nnaji. Of course, Kris isn't a center but I think he's going to be quite a good player anyway.

[The Sebastian Express]

I’m not a Heat or Blazers fan I’m just posting on a site called RealGM. As you were.

It's not bad in theory. Some of us are a little short because we have some people coming over, not you, who keep trying to tell us we have to trade Dame and we have to trade him for the bad packages they offer because it's what they want.

Like wiz said, we can't trade Dame during the draft. Portland would want a 20206 pick, I think, which Miami can't offer. Also we would reroute Herro to someone else for a pick or an asset. He doesn't have a place here.

I do appreciate you came and made trade ideas that actually are reasonable and aren't for a team you root for and are telling us we have to take it. Sorry you got snapped at.

It's just a bit exhausting for some of us right now.

[The Sebastian Express]

I don't know if Dame will request a trade. My instinct says he won't, though his interviews aren't helping if he does in the future! My man, let us get max value for pick or you, don't be going on the tv for these interviews lolol.

But if it comes to a time to trade him, I think there's just two fundamental facts people who aren't Portland fans need to accept.

1. Portland will absolutely do its best to trade him to a good situation and the situation he wants.
2. Portland will absolutely not accept a bad or middling trade proposal just because they're trying to do right by him. You are not owed being gifted our franchise's best player just because it may come to a splitting, and we are not obligated to accept bad-to-middling trade packages just to get him where he wants. Portland will do a combination of what's best for Dame and what's best for them, not what's best for Dame and best for a new team if it comes to such.