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Re: Time to package Sharpe? 

Post#121 » by Walton1one » Fri Mar 7, 2025 5:44 pm

No Ceilings on 3rd year players, Sharpe comes in at #10

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Shaedon Sharpe’s last four games are perfect exhibitions of what he could look like as a star guard down the road.

Granted, the competition the Portland Trail Blazers have faced in recent days hasn’t been exceptional, but Sharpe has scored more than 18 points in each of those four matches while having some of his better career highlights and finding ways to be effective even when his shots haven’t gone in.

Sharpe has rebounded the heck out of the ball, embraced finding his teammates off drives, and has turned his aggressiveness up a notch on defense. Sharpe hasn’t started in every one of his games this year, having spent a great deal of time off the bench, but his upside is as a high-usage starter and these flashes over the last week of games help to paint that picture.

Overall, Sharpe has had some good moments of creating his own shot in the halfcourt while also finding downhill gaps to make plays for others. His attention level defensively remains a bit inconsistent, but when Sharpe is fully engaged on the ball, he can put opposing guards in tough binds.

Sharpe’s athletic package, pull-up polish, and confidence all point towards him becoming a 20+ points per game scorer. As he continues to round out the rest of his game, he’ll only become that much more dangerous of a weapon for an overachieving team in the West looking to make a playoff push.


So, a bigger\better Simons?

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1) Jalen Williams
2) Paolo Banchero
3) Christian Braun
4) Dyson Daniels
5) Tari Eason
6) Max Christie
7) Keegan Murray
8) Jalen Duran
9) Jeremy Sochan
10) Sharpe
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Re: Time to package Sharpe? 

Post#122 » by Bigpoppapomp82 » Fri Mar 7, 2025 8:14 pm

Sharpe is one of the only players that has real potential to be a star still. With his limited play (Sitting out at Kentucky) He's going to take more like 4-5 years to truly grasp what he can be. Just like the G-League guys like Scoot, Kuminga, Green and even guys like the Thompson Twins took some time to get their footing and see what they could be. I think Shaedon still has some very rare traits that you don't give up on just yet.

He's still only 21 soon to be 22 so essentially if you take away his year at Kentucky where he played no formal basketball (Red shirt year) and then he was derailed by injuries the next 2 seasons he's really a sophmore or jr in college from a playing perspective and reps standpoint. I say keep him and keep letting him grow, learn and make mistakes and see what you get.

As much as I am not a fan of Billups, He is good with young guys and if anyone can bring that fire out of someone it's him based off how he played.
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Re: Time to package Sharpe? 

Post#123 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 7, 2025 9:17 pm

Bigpoppapomp82 wrote:Sharpe is one of the only players that has real potential to be a star still. With his limited play (Sitting out at Kentucky) He's going to take more like 4-5 years to truly grasp what he can be. Just like the G-League guys like Scoot, Kuminga, Green and even guys like the Thompson Twins took some time to get their footing and see what they could be. I think Shaedon still has some very rare traits that you don't give up on just yet.

He's still only 21 soon to be 22 so essentially if you take away his year at Kentucky where he played no formal basketball (Red shirt year) and then he was derailed by injuries the next 2 seasons he's really a sophmore or jr in college from a playing perspective and reps standpoint. I say keep him and keep letting him grow, learn and make mistakes and see what you get.

As much as I am not a fan of Billups, He is good with young guys and if anyone can bring that fire out of someone it's him based off how he played.

I think it boils down to:

1) You don't think he has potential, so you move him

2) You think he "might" have potential, so you offer him a favorable contract and let him walk (if he doesn't take it or match if it makes sense)

3) You absolutely believe he is going to be a 1/2 on the offense end and then you take a risk?

I think you are saying, 2 or 3?
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Re: Time to package Sharpe? 

Post#124 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 7, 2025 9:26 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:
JasonStern wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:In a 1 year period beginning in July 2026, Ayton, Simons, Timelord, Thybulle, Sharpe, Scoot, Camara, and Murray are all due new contracts. A year after that Avdija & Cingan will get new deals.

Inaccurate. Scoot and Sharpe were in different draft classes. Eligible for an extension and needing an extension are two completely different things. Sharpe is locked in for at least 2 years. And Scoot 3.
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you are wrong....it is not inaccurate in any way. I'm not talking about extensions, although that doesn't change things at all

I said 'in a 1 year period', those 8 players will ALL be getting new contracts.... because their existing deals will end

Ayton-Simons-Timelord-Thybulle-Sharpe will be getting new deals in July 2026

one year later, in July 2027, Scoot-Camara-Murray will be getting new deals. 2027-2026 = 1; easy math

and 1 year after that, July 2028, Avdija & Clingan will be getting new deals. (so will Grant, but I'm hoping that won't matter)
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it is a completely unsustainable model. For example, Simons signed his current deal in 2022. He signed for 25M/year when the salary cap was 123.6M. That represents 20% of the salary cap

assume his new contract just keeps pace with his current deal and also keeps pace with the salary cap. The cap should be around 170M in the 2026-27 season. Simons, at an average salary of 20% of the cap would be getting 34M/year on a 4 year deal. A salary of that magnitude only works because Scoot-Sharpe-Clingan-Camara are all on rookie deals paying about 27M year combined. If they get bumped up to 100M/year combined, then vet contracts of Simons-Ayton-Grant at 90-110M year busts the Blazer payroll all to hell

for some of us, the idiocy of NOT dumping most of those vets wasn't just about minutes, or the lottery, or a player like Simons standing in front of both Scoot and Sharpe. It was also about this coming payroll crunch. Cronin may be a master at punting tough decisions down the road, but his punts are going to start bouncing off the wall of payroll reality + Vulcan penny-pinching

and it is absolutely certain that other GM's know exactly what kind of a salary crunch Cronin is facing. All the knucklehead chatter about 'building up the trade value' of Simons-Ayton-Grant is going to vanish into the leverage Cronin has lost by his stubborn insistence of holding onto those vets while demanding trade packages no team would be dumb enough to pay

This is a really good synopsis of where Cronin has put himself.

1) The vets won't have value in terms of draft assets without taking back other bad contracts

2) The only way out is to offer Blazer beneficial declining contracts and Cronin doesn't seem to have the "stuff" to do that.
- those that take the Blazer beneficial contracts will be helpful assets
- those that don't walk and you get no benefit but you don't kill your cap
- some shouldn't be offered any contract extensions, see Thybulle

One more note, playing hardball on this year's contract extensions could make the locker room an ugly place. But not doing so will make for a treadmill of a team. But that is where Cronin has put us, so there is that...
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Re: Time to package Sharpe? 

Post#125 » by JasonStern » Fri Mar 7, 2025 10:06 pm

Tim Lehrbach wrote:OK, but whom are you even addressing at this point? We literally had a 65-page thread wherein just about everybody came to accept that Ayton, Grant, Simons, Williams, and Thybulle weren't getting shipped, let alone for fantastic prizes. Whose position are you mocking?

And, it's not some grave offense against Blazermania to also believe that the aforementioned "platter" is one of players who bring little value on the court. Williams and Thybulle don't even play. Grant has been abysmal. Ayton, by your own accounting, brings it about 25% of the time. Simons is... fine, I guess, pretty much an average player.

As to Scoot and Sharpe, who you mention here, sure, there's scattered talk of moving on from them. I'll just speak for myself and say that I dread a long-term outlook in which these two are our highly-paid and therefore featured stars. But what choices do the Blazers have? Lock 'em up to massive contracts or... don't. It's not always the right move to retain anybody and everybody in the name of continuity or asset management. I am grateful there is still time to decide, but I do believe it is an open question whether these two have a bright future in the NBA.


Sharpe! This whole thread is about trading Sharpe! I have been nothing but transparent about Sharpe being my favorite Blazer, with Deni and Camara finding a home in my heart. Guy is playing well above the average 21 year old 7th pick, albeit on a bad team.

And I have been completely transparent about trading Grant for any expiring we can possibly get, then letting Simons and Ayton expire after next season. If Simons or Ayton can be retained on the cheap, great. If not, that frees up a huge amount of cap space. Would management blow it all on the next Evan Turner/Festus Ezili power duo? Probably. But at least they would be in the position to do that. Everyone acknowledges that Simons and Ayton are limited players, so the idea that other teams covet them is flawed. And getting anything back of any real value would require Portland taking on dead salary or including other positive value pieces.
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Re: Time to package Sharpe? 

Post#126 » by JasonStern » Fri Mar 7, 2025 10:15 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:
JasonStern wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:In a 1 year period beginning in July 2026, Ayton, Simons, Timelord, Thybulle, Sharpe, Scoot, Camara, and Murray are all due new contracts. A year after that Avdija & Cingan will get new deals.


Inaccurate. Scoot and Sharpe were in different draft classes. Eligible for an extension and needing an extension are two completely different things. Sharpe is locked in for at least 2 years. And Scoot 3.
.


you are wrong....it is not inaccurate in any way. I'm not talking about extensions, although that doesn't change things at all

I said 'in a 1 year period', those 8 players will ALL be getting new contracts.... because their existing deals will end

Ayton-Simons-Timelord-Thybulle-Sharpe will be getting new deals in July 2026

one year later, in July 2027, Scoot-Camara-Murray will be getting new deals. 2027-2026 = 1; easy math


Opens up Microsoft Calculator.
2027 - 2025 = 2
Either you are lying, or Microsoft Calculator is lying.
And Sharpe can be offered the Q.O. Same with Scoot. Camara no because he was a 2nd round pick. But if these players play well enough to earn a large contract elsewhere, that should be viewed as a good thing, as it means the Blazers didn't waste draft picks/trade assets.

But, I get the cap space hell argument. That's why Grant needs to go for any expiring we can possibly get, and I am perfectly okay letting Simons and Ayton expire after next season (2026). Get rid of the bad contracts and it's easier to retain your best players without worrying about the salary cap. Imagine that. No, really. Cronin, if you read this board, please imagine that.
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Re: Time to package Sharpe? 

Post#127 » by Wizenheimer » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:39 am

JasonStern wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:
JasonStern wrote:
Inaccurate. Scoot and Sharpe were in different draft classes. Eligible for an extension and needing an extension are two completely different things. Sharpe is locked in for at least 2 years. And Scoot 3.
.


you are wrong....it is not inaccurate in any way. I'm not talking about extensions, although that doesn't change things at all

I said 'in a 1 year period', those 8 players will ALL be getting new contracts.... because their existing deals will end

Ayton-Simons-Timelord-Thybulle-Sharpe will be getting new deals in July 2026

one year later, in July 2027, Scoot-Camara-Murray will be getting new deals. 2027-2026 = 1; easy math


Opens up Microsoft Calculator.
2027 - 2025 = 2
Either you are lying, or Microsoft Calculator is lying.


who the F is talking about July 2025?

I said 2026 is when it all starts
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Re: Time to package Sharpe? 

Post#128 » by JasonStern » Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:37 pm

Read on Twitter


Wizenheimer: Weren't you just bitching that the Blazers were jacking up 50 three pointers a game on 18% efficiency?

Yeah... But trying to remain positive.
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