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Post#121 » by mighty_duck » Thu Oct 23, 2025 10:26 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Id bring him back in a heartbeat. The team could use some offensive direction now. Need to keep the defense up though.

Stotts was underrated on he defensive end. Considering the roster he was handed, with the team star giving no effort on that end, and then two short combo guards playing on the wings... It's amazing we had any defense at all.

When we had length in Chief/Hark/Turner, and a then mobile Nurk, we had a 6th in the league rated defense (despite a Dame/CJ backcourt).
He would do well with a DC/Deni/Tou/Jrue defensive core. And the offense would finally be watchable!
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Post#122 » by DusterBuster » Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:11 pm

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DaVoiceMaster wrote:Id bring him back in a heartbeat. The team could use some offensive direction now. Need to keep the defense up though.

Stotts was underrated on he defensive end. Considering the roster he was handed, with the team star giving no effort on that end, and then two short combo guards playing on the wings... It's amazing we had any defense at all.

When we had length in Chief/Hark/Turner, and a then mobile Nurk, we had a 6th in the league rated defense (despite a Dame/CJ backcourt).
He would do well with a DC/Deni/Tou/Jrue defensive core. And the offense would finally be watchable!


Agreed, I always felt that was overstated when you consider the rosters Olshey handed him.
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Post#123 » by The Sebastian Express » Fri Oct 24, 2025 12:05 am

His coaching schemes could not figure out how to break a trap on Damian in his entire tenure.
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Post#124 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Fri Oct 24, 2025 1:08 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:His coaching schemes could not figure out how to break a trap on Damian in his entire tenure.


Some of that is on the coach, but I said it when Lillard was drafted that score-first PG's are inherently a weak thing to build around. An NBA defense can stop any player if they so choose, a team has to have the personnel who are able to make them pay for doing so. If a team sells out on a PG to shut down the team offense then they need individual scorers who don't need to be set up by a PG to get theirs, if a team sells out to stop a scorer the team needs a PG who can run offense for the other 4 guys. But if that player is the same you have no real options when they choose to take that player out of the game.

The right roster construction can make up for it, but without the right roster there is only so much a coach can do.
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Post#125 » by DusterBuster » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:27 pm

I really hope, that if Splitter proves to be a good coach, Dundon keeps him and doesn't throw the baby out with the bath water in a cleaning of the house. He seems smart enough that I think he could compartmentalize that - especially if Splitter has proved to be a great coach.

That said, the more thats come out around this - especially with a podcast literally calling these gambling games AND Billups out by name multiple years ago - how did literally no one in the front office know about it? If I were Dundon, that would be my first question to Cronin. I get that employers can't really track on social media the names of every employee on social media (I mean, they CAN, but it would probably be a moral gray area that could get messy and infringe on privacy rights...), but for it to go completely under the radar... There's a billion podcasts out there, so I don't want to undersell how hard (if not next to impossible) that is to monitor if you don't have actual automated systems set up to flag it... but we're talking billion dollar businesses here as well where I don't believe increased employee scrutiny would be completely out of line to protect the brand.

The Cronin angle with Dundon sure just got a lot more interesting...
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Post#126 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Oct 24, 2025 11:11 pm

DusterBuster wrote:I really hope, that if Splitter proves to be a good coach, Dundon keeps him and doesn't throw the baby out with the bath water in a cleaning of the house. He seems smart enough that I think he could compartmentalize that - especially if Splitter has proved to be a great coach.

That said, the more thats come out around this - especially with a podcast literally calling these gambling games AND Billups out by name multiple years ago - how did literally no one in the front office know about it? If I were Dundon, that would be my first question to Cronin. I get that employers can't really track on social media the names of every employee on social media (I mean, they CAN, but it would probably be a moral gray area that could get messy and infringe on privacy rights...), but for it to go completely under the radar... There's a billion podcasts out there, so I don't want to undersell how hard (if not next to impossible) that is to monitor if you don't have actual automated systems set up to flag it... but we're talking billion dollar businesses here as well where I don't believe increased employee scrutiny would be completely out of line to protect the brand.

The Cronin angle with Dundon sure just got a lot more interesting...


Likely, Splitter will have a pretty substantial audition for the permanent job. Sounded like the earliest the transfer could take place, or at least enough of the transfer to make Dundon the majority owner, was going to be March. I'm not sure if the RAJ/Cherngs kerfuffle kicked that can down the road any distance.

in any event, most of the season will be water under the bridge before the earliest date Dundon takes over. I'd be surprised if Splitter isn't allowed to take the team to the end of the season.

my guess is that Dundon may be a little more normal of an owner that the PA Trust was. Meaning his first decision mat be about the GM, and then the GM and he would decide on the coach

now, I'm certainly more 'forgiving' of mistakes I think Cronin has made that I was for Olshey....I hated Olshey. But I do remember reading that when Olshey hired Chauncey, Cronin had 'positive' input on Billups because of their shared Colorado roots. And Cronin was GM when Chauncey got that recent contract extension. I'd think there is a decent chance that Dundon will draw several lines between Cronin and Billups and that may be bad news for Cronin. Personally I'd like Dundon to kind of clean house from the Olshey/Jody/Kolde/Chauncey/Cronin connections. Maybe making those connections is a bit unfair, especially with Cronin, but he has made enough bad and questionable decisions as a GM to make it reasonable to give him walking papers.

He's certainly better than Olshey, but if the Blazers are just struggling to remain in the play-in race in March (likely?), that would mean that Cronin has had 4 off-seasons and FIVE trade deadlines to build a playoff team and failed
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Post#127 » by DusterBuster » Yesterday 12:07 am

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DusterBuster wrote:I really hope, that if Splitter proves to be a good coach, Dundon keeps him and doesn't throw the baby out with the bath water in a cleaning of the house. He seems smart enough that I think he could compartmentalize that - especially if Splitter has proved to be a great coach.

That said, the more thats come out around this - especially with a podcast literally calling these gambling games AND Billups out by name multiple years ago - how did literally no one in the front office know about it? If I were Dundon, that would be my first question to Cronin. I get that employers can't really track on social media the names of every employee on social media (I mean, they CAN, but it would probably be a moral gray area that could get messy and infringe on privacy rights...), but for it to go completely under the radar... There's a billion podcasts out there, so I don't want to undersell how hard (if not next to impossible) that is to monitor if you don't have actual automated systems set up to flag it... but we're talking billion dollar businesses here as well where I don't believe increased employee scrutiny would be completely out of line to protect the brand.

The Cronin angle with Dundon sure just got a lot more interesting...


Likely, Splitter will have a pretty substantial audition for the permanent job. Sounded like the earliest the transfer could take place, or at least enough of the transfer to make Dundon the majority owner, was going to be March. I'm not sure if the RAJ/Cherngs kerfuffle kicked that can down the road any distance.

in any event, most of the season will be water under the bridge before the earliest date Dundon takes over. I'd be surprised if Splitter isn't allowed to take the team to the end of the season.

my guess is that Dundon may be a little more normal of an owner that the PA Trust was. Meaning his first decision mat be about the GM, and then the GM and he would decide on the coach

now, I'm certainly more 'forgiving' of mistakes I think Cronin has made that I was for Olshey....I hated Olshey. But I do remember reading that when Olshey hired Chauncey, Cronin had 'positive' input on Billups because of their shared Colorado roots. And Cronin was GM when Chauncey got that recent contract extension. I'd think there is a decent chance that Dundon will draw several lines between Cronin and Billups and that may be bad news for Cronin. Personally I'd like Dundon to kind of clean house from the Olshey/Jody/Kolde/Chauncey/Cronin connections. Maybe making those connections is a bit unfair, especially with Cronin, but he has made enough bad and questionable decisions as a GM to make it reasonable to give him walking papers.

He's certainly better than Olshey, but if the Blazers are just struggling to remain in the play-in race in March (likely?), that would mean that Cronin has had 4 off-seasons and FIVE trade deadlines to build a playoff team and failed


You make some great points. My worries are probably unfounded for multiple multiple reasons. Mid-late March is indeed what everyone has earmarked for Dundon's first payment and when he officially has the reigns (tho according to some in the know like Mike Richman, he already has a good amount of input of what's going to happen pre-March). For example, the team doesn't sign the contracts of Camara and Sharpe without Dundon giving the green light.

My hope is what you said, by March when he really can just unilaterally do what he wants as owner and governor of the team, he will (as will we all) have a good amount of evidence on what Splitter is as a coach. I'm hyped on his potential because he's the prototypical coach I want. Proven track record of experience, first time as NBA HC (i.e. not a retread) so will come in with fresh eyes, and he comes from a proven coaching tree via Pop and the Spurs. If you crafted a coach in a lab, he's exactly what I would want for this Blazers team at this time.

All indications are Dundon is a smart dude, and he's going to make smart choices. If Splitter is killing it as coach, I don't see why he would fire and replace him just because of the optics of how we got here. If things are going swimmingly, this whole mess has largely died down and fans will have moved on from this black eye.

Now, as for Cronin, I think you and I are in pretty much lockstep here. I can absolutely see Dundon keeping Splitter but getting a new GM. I can also see him giving Cronin some grace... but not before some really hard conversations of the "what did you know and when did you know it" type. It's easy to go "well you gave the guy an extension when this was actively going on", but ignorance could be a silver lining here for Cronin (at least I'm not willing to discount that).

Literally EVERYONE who has ever met Billups has had nothing but glowing things to say about it, so Cronin saying that isn't in any way out of the norm where you can automatically assume he was just turning a blind eye to something... he genuinely may have not known what Billups was doing. I have work associates who I would absolutely speak glowingly of with my knowledge of them - but I also don't know their lives outside of work. Yes, there were those podcasts out there, but it was literally a 1min clip on a single poker pod that got zero attention until AFTER this happened, so I would question how any of us could realistically expect Cronin to come across that in a ocean of podcast slop that gets released every day.

Allllll that said, Cronin was still the one who extended him and kept him as coach. If you're looking at this like a cop for instance, just because you don't know the law doesn't mean you didn't break it. We don't know Dundon enough to know if that's how he operates. I don't know if he's just going to be a "guilty by association" guy and just want to turn a whole new page on this era after this embarrassing episode or if he'll be more judicial about it and take everything on a case by case basis. My gut says the latter, but I just don't know for sure. I certainly couldn't blame him if he did, but my personal opinion is to be more surgical about it.

As with anything in sports, winning will cure all. If the team ends up still having a good season even after all this mess - lets play best case scenario - the team wins their 40+ games to get into the play-in or playoffs, doesn't go far but shows great improvement. I would assume Splitter is a lock to drop the interim tag and if Cronin is still here by the summer, I would give him a better than 50/50 shot to keep his job. If this team is already out of the playoff and play-in race by March - even if it's injury caused - I think Cronin is 100% and likely the whole management staff is out. If the season is going south in Dec-March, Dundon and his team are likely already looking for Cronin's replacement at that point behind the scenes. At that point too, if the season is bad, I assume Splitter's chances at retaining the job are a tossup... Likely it will come down to WHY the season has gone to ****.
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Post#128 » by dckingsfan » Yesterday 8:01 pm

Just out of curiosity, where is Cronin on all this?!?
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Post#129 » by JRoy » Yesterday 8:08 pm

Looking for his next job.
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Post#130 » by DusterBuster » Yesterday 8:16 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Just out of curiosity, where is Cronin on all this?!?


Cronin should have been the first person for media availability before the game last night, not Splitter.
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Post#131 » by Norm2953 » Yesterday 8:20 pm

Perhaps the media wanted to speak with Splitter but in any event with the legal issues involving Chauncey, Cronin
might not be available to the media for the time being
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Post#132 » by dckingsfan » Yesterday 8:20 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:Just out of curiosity, where is Cronin on all this?!?

Cronin should have been the first person for media availability before the game last night, not Splitter.

This. I have been in this position before. You never, ever let you team take the bullet on bad news. You stand up and are the one that takes the questions.

Good news - okay, you can let your team be front and center on that - but bad news, not so much.

Opinion coming: To me, this just shows weakness of character. Time for him to go... and sooner rather than later.
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Post#133 » by DusterBuster » Yesterday 9:48 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:Just out of curiosity, where is Cronin on all this?!?

Cronin should have been the first person for media availability before the game last night, not Splitter.

This. I have been in this position before. You never, ever let you team take the bullet on bad news. You stand up and are the one that takes the questions.

Good news - okay, you can let your team be front and center on that - but bad news, not so much.

Opinion coming: To me, this just shows weakness of character. Time for him to go... and sooner rather than later.


I'm not gonna go that far, there may be some behind the scenes reasons he couldn't we don't know about. I'm pro giving guys the benefit of the doubt in the league because there's just so so so much that goes on outside of the public view we don't know about. Or maybe he gave the option to Splitter and Splitter said he wanted to go out first? Who knows...

But, if the full picture does come out and Cronin could have but simply chose not... thats a big miss on his part.

Big picture, I'm just ready for all this to be put behind the team asap and just focus on basketball with hopefully Splitter as the teams new full time HC and this is largely forgotten about (Cronin not speaking publicly first).
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Post#134 » by dckingsfan » Yesterday 9:59 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
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DusterBuster wrote:Cronin should have been the first person for media availability before the game last night, not Splitter.

This. I have been in this position before. You never, ever let you team take the bullet on bad news. You stand up and are the one that takes the questions.

Good news - okay, you can let your team be front and center on that - but bad news, not so much.

Opinion coming: To me, this just shows weakness of character. Time for him to go... and sooner rather than later.

I'm not gonna go that far, there may be some behind the scenes reasons he couldn't we don't know about. I'm pro giving guys the benefit of the doubt in the league because there's just so so so much that goes on outside of the public view we don't know about. Or maybe he gave the option to Splitter and Splitter said he wanted to go out first? Who knows...

But, if the full picture does come out and Cronin could have but simply chose not... thats a big miss on his part.

Big picture, I'm just ready for all this to be put behind the team asap and just focus on basketball with hopefully Splitter as the teams new full time HC and this is largely forgotten about (Cronin not speaking publicly first).

Yeah, I'll go that far... there are many places you give the benefit of the doubt - to me, this isn't one of them.

But lemonade out of lemons - I like how Splitter handled himself and he looks like he could be a really good coach.
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Post#135 » by DusterBuster » Yesterday 10:20 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:This. I have been in this position before. You never, ever let you team take the bullet on bad news. You stand up and are the one that takes the questions.

Good news - okay, you can let your team be front and center on that - but bad news, not so much.

Opinion coming: To me, this just shows weakness of character. Time for him to go... and sooner rather than later.

I'm not gonna go that far, there may be some behind the scenes reasons he couldn't we don't know about. I'm pro giving guys the benefit of the doubt in the league because there's just so so so much that goes on outside of the public view we don't know about. Or maybe he gave the option to Splitter and Splitter said he wanted to go out first? Who knows...

But, if the full picture does come out and Cronin could have but simply chose not... thats a big miss on his part.

Big picture, I'm just ready for all this to be put behind the team asap and just focus on basketball with hopefully Splitter as the teams new full time HC and this is largely forgotten about (Cronin not speaking publicly first).

Yeah, I'll go that far... there are many places you give the benefit of the doubt - to me, this isn't one of them.

But lemonade out of lemons - I like how Splitter handled himself and he looks like he could be a really good coach.


My whole point is simply there's just so much we don't know from the outside looking in that it's presumptuous feeling for myself to go that far. But to each their own.

I'm where you're at, more just focused on the future. I never found Billups to be a very good coach. I gave him credit where credit was due, that being that he was a great motivator that kept his guys together and his players would run through a brick wall for him. That counts for something as a coach, especially when you see teams quit on other coaches. But his actually X's and O's skills were trash and even just game management took years to just get to that of an average coach. I will always much prefer a coach with actual offensive and defensive schemes and knows how to manage clock, minutes and time outs properly.
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Post#136 » by Wizenheimer » Today 6:39 pm

reporting is the FBI has more than 3000 calls recorded from their legal wiretaps. Probably safe to say that Billups is on some of them

hard to know exactly what Billups knew about the rigged poker game(s). But he was indicted so it seems quite possible the feds have evidence he knew something. Again...more than 90% of charges filed when the FBI is leading investigations result in convictions

but setting aside the Poker charges, it seems pretty evident the FBI recorded Chauncey giving a gambler inside information on 'injuries' prior to the Chicago game in 2023 before the point spread was adjusted. That in and of itself, even if he's not convicted in the Poker scandal, seems enough to mean the NBA will never allow Chauncey to return in any capacity. That is corrupt action on Chauncey's part

I'd also wonder how long he will remain unindicted co-conpirator #8. kind of looks like the feds are working toward RICO charges, especially with the mafia involved. If they do bring RICO charges, Chauncey could get swept up in that

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