nj + pdx + dallas

SoHo · Post #121 » by **SoHo** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:38 am

I just caught the tail end of Marc Stein on Sportscenter, but he was saying that talks on the three way (I'm pretty sure) were furious for the last 24 hours but are now "pretty much dead". He still thinks Dallas has the inside edge to land Kidd because he supposedly wants to go there, and as such these talks could be resurrected, but for now... Looks like it's off. Did anyone catch the long explanation?

Twinkie defense · Post #122 » by **Twinkie defense** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:50 am

Kidd is better for Dallas than Harris because their time is now, and Kidd is still a superstar, one of the top players in the game.

Harris would be great for Portland because he's good, younger than Kidd, and because he's the second best player in the transaction... Portland moves quantity for quality. Plus in the competitive West, Portland can't rest on "nice run," or "nice season" - hell, tonight, Portland is out of the playoffs!

New Jersey just needs to get out from some salary (Kidd makes $21 mil next season!) and get young guys, picks, and cap breathing room while the getting is still good, because they're going nowhere this season.

Butter · Post #123 » by **Butter** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:58 am

jrhester wrote:Kidd is better for Dallas than Harris because their time is now, and Kidd is still a superstar, one of the top players in the game.

Harris would be great for Portland because he's good, younger than Kidd, and because he's the second best player in the transaction... Portland moves quantity for quality. Plus in the competitive West, Portland can't rest on "nice run," or "nice season" - hell, tonight, Portland is out of the playoffs!

New Jersey just needs to get out from some salary (Kidd makes $21 mil next season!) and get young guys, picks, and cap breathing room while the getting is still good, because they're going nowhere this season.

I don't have a problem with the Blazers trading for Harris, or sending Kidd to the Mavs, but the package would have to be DRAMATICALLY different.

The MAX I'd offer is:
Raef Lafrentz
Darius Miles
Some combination of:
Jarrett Jack
Draft pick
Martell or Travis

Bottom line, Miles would have to be included. I just don't see a huge need for Harris.

ppp000 · Post #124 » by **ppp000** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:20 am

^ Right but then Nets probably don't do that. LIke I said earlier, if Mavs are serious about trading Harris for Kidd, then Portland has no need to be involved. Again, the trade just seems bogus.

Butter · Post #125 » by **Butter** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:56 am

ppp000 wrote:^ Right but then Nets probably don't do that. LIke I said earlier, if Mavs are serious about trading Harris for Kidd, then Portland has no need to be involved. Again, the trade just seems bogus.

Well, I can definitely agree with that. :crazy:

Goldbum · Post #126 » by **Goldbum** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:01 am

Take Outlaw out of the deal and replace him with James Jones and our 1st round pick. I love James Jones, but I think Harris would be worth it.

So if PDX trades Frye/Jack/Jones and our 2010 1st for Devin Harris I make the deal.

Butter · Post #127 » by **Butter** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:13 am

OK, here's my final attempt at making this rumor legit... :roll:

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Portland Trades:
Darius Miles
Jarrett Jack
Martell Webster
Portland Receives:
Jerry Stackhouse
Jamal Magloire
The Blazers give up Martell, but they gain a taller version of Jarrett, and dump Miles.

Dallas Trades:
Jerry Stackhouse
Jason Terry
Eric Dampier
Dallas Receives:
Jason Kidd
Darius Miles
If the Mavs want Kidd, they have to take Miles

NJ Trades:
Jason Kidd
Jamal Magloire
NJ Receives:
Martell Webster
Jarrett Jack
Jason Terry
Eric Dampier
The Nets get an infusion of talent to hopefully improve their chances to win now, but also get some talent to build with. Terry should be able to stretch the D, opening things for Vince and RJ. Dampier gives them a legit starting center. Jack could fill the same role he plays for the Blazers, offense off the bench. And Martell give's them a potential star. Webster also allows them to try to move either RJ or Vince in an additional deal.

The Blazers projected line-up in the future:
PG: Blake/Sergio/Green
SG: Roy/Stackhouse/Rudy*
SF: Outlaw/Jones/Stackhouse
PF: LMA/Frye/Outlaw/
C: Joel/Magloire/Oden*

BamBam8 · Post #128 » by **BamBam8** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:22 am

Sorry butter but that trades pretty God awful. I dont see portland pulling the trigger on that one

ppp000 · Post #129 » by **ppp000** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:28 am

The mavs like that trade

Fitz303 · Post #130 » by **Fitz303** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:29 am

Miles wont be traded at all until he shows that he can still play.. I trust that if this trade goes down, KP will make a smart move. But if we're going to make a move, i think it needs to be made rather soon. We're past the half way mark and starting to skid

ppp000 · Post #131 » by **ppp000** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:30 am

SoHo wrote:I just caught the tail end of Marc Stein on Sportscenter, but he was saying that talks on the three way (I'm pretty sure) were furious for the last 24 hours but are now "pretty much dead". He still thinks Dallas has the inside edge to land Kidd because he supposedly wants to go there, and as such these talks could be resurrected, but for now... Looks like it's off. Did anyone catch the long explanation?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3223513

Butter · Post #132 » by **Butter** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:32 am

BamBam8 wrote:Sorry butter but that trades pretty God awful. I dont see portland pulling the trigger on that one

I'm just not a fan of Harris. His game doesn't compliment Roy's IMO. Yes, he may be a good defender, but his offense is pretty much limited to slashing, and short jumpers. That will not help pull the defenders off of Oden, and it will duplicate Roy and Rudy too much. I can honestly say I'd rather have the cap savings than Harris.

In addition, Stackhouse's stats are almost identical to Jacks, in almost identical minutes. And Magloire helps with rebounding off the bench. The other major advantage to this deal is that if allows Nate to keep Pryz on the floor at the end of the game. Typically, Nate pulls Pryz and plays LMA at center, so that Travis can play PF. If Martell is moved, the Blazers can play Travis at the SF, and keep him on the floor with Joel and LMA at the same time.

Like it or not, the Blazers are going to have to choose between Travis and Martell at some point, I just don't see any way around it.

Butter · Post #133 » by **Butter** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:34 am

Fitz303 wrote:Miles wont be traded at all until he shows that he can still play.. I trust that if this trade goes down, KP will make a smart move. But if we're going to make a move, i think it needs to be made rather soon. We're past the half way mark and starting to skid

Well, the Blazers would have a lot of leverage if they were the ones to facilitate bringing in Kidd. This might be the best chance that I've seen to convince another team to take Miles.

BamBam8 · Post #134 » by **BamBam8** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:51 am

Butter wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'm just not a fan of Harris. His game doesn't compliment Roy's IMO. Yes, he may be a good defender, but his offense is pretty much limited to slashing, and short jumpers. That will not help pull the defenders off of Oden, and it will duplicate Roy and Rudy too much. I can honestly say I'd rather have the cap savings than Harris.

In addition, Stackhouse's stats are almost identical to Jacks, in almost identical minutes. And Magloire helps with rebounding off the bench. The other major advantage to this deal is that if allows Nate to keep Pryz on the floor at the end of the game. Typically, Nate pulls Pryz and plays LMA at center, so that Travis can play PF. If Martell is moved, the Blazers can play Travis at the SF, and keep him on the floor with Joel and LMA at the same time.

Like it or not, the Blazers are going to have to choose between Travis and Martell at some point, I just don't see any way around it.

Harris is shooting 35% this year from threes ... not great not bad ... but it is noteworthy that he has drastically improved every year in that category

Nate plays travis at PF because that is where he is most effective ... if you put him at SF he loses the quickness advantage that he uses to get good looks

And I disagree entirely. I think eventually Pritchard will have to decide between either Channing or Travis and between either Jones or Webster

Fitz303 · Post #135 » by **Fitz303** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:56 am

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... -396&cash=

I think its fair

Dallas gets - Kidd, Wright, Armstrong

Portland gets - Harris, Bass

New Jersey gets - Frye, Webster, Jack, Stackhouse, cap space

Its fun to play with rumors

Post #136 » by **magee** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:57 am

If Pritchard actually chooses Webster over Outlaw, I'll be shocked. Webster has a lot of potential, but his role is diminishing right now. Just imagine when Rudy comes over next season. He should choose Outlaw over Webster. If I had to guess, this could stretch out a few days in case Pritchard tries to offer McRoberts or rights to guys like Peterri Koponen or Freeland along with Webster instead of Outlaw. Otherwise, I can't see this deal going down until Harris is healthy.

Fitz303 · Post #137 » by **Fitz303** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:03 am

UPDATE: Stein is reporting its legit as well.. and hes putting in Bass to Portland (as I tried in my previous post). interesting stuff. Just posted a half hour ago

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3223513

BamBam8 · Post #138 » by **BamBam8** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:08 am

I like that trade a lot ... but id definately try to give up a draft pick instead of webster

Voodoo · Post #139 » by **Voodoo** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:36 am

Fitz303 wrote:http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2754~2768~2795~429~2745~992~267~2382~802&teams=17~17~17~6~22~17~17~22~17&te=10:6-396~2801:6-396&cash=

I think its fair

Dallas gets - Kidd, Wright, Armstrong

Portland gets - Harris, Bass

New Jersey gets - Frye, Webster, Jack, Stackhouse, cap space

Its fun to play with rumors

I would do that trade, but I have never been a big fan of Webster. Only guy I would even be somewhat sad to see go would be Channing, hes done so much better recently and truly wants to be here. Oh well I could live with loosing him if we got Harris and Bass in return.

Norm2953 · Post #140 » by **Norm2953** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:37 am

I think Dallas gets fleeced on this deal..

I don't know if I would do this deal but we could use more speed
and defensive quickness in our back court. What are the terms of
Harris' contract?