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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#1201 » by Walton1one » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:11 pm

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Kaspaas Jakucionis
College assistant coach No. 2 (his team played Illinois): If you allow him to go left, into his stepback, he’s deadly. He did tail off the last 10 to 15 games because, obviously, the scouting is good and people started figuring him out a little bit. Got the size. Very turnover-prone, because he takes risks, as many European players do. I hear he’s a great kid. They played him at point guard. Defensively, very average. We got our guards in a switch with his guy and he wanted no part of it. But I think he had a great reputation coming over. He’s going to get you 16, at least, and give you six turnovers. But very good player.


Western Conference executive No. 3: You’re going to be at a disadvantage every night if he’s your starter. Because he has to go against 29 of the best guards in the world. I could see him having trouble defensively. One-on-one, iso, pick-and-roll. But he makes it up with the intangibles because he plays hard. He tries. Offensively, if he could play five-on-four, he would be really, really good. He can shoot, he can pass, he can handle, he can distribute. But I do not see this kid, if you’re not a Play-In (team), I don’t think he’s good enough in that context as a starter. As a reliable backup? Sure.


Western Conference executive No. 1: A couple of our guys are real KJ fans. When I studied him on film, he just looked solid to me. I didn’t see anything special. Can shoot it, but he doesn’t have great speed and quickness. He’ll have to be a fit guy. If he doesn’t get exposed athletically, he can look decent. But if you draft him to be your point guard and the face of it, I think you’re going to be disappointed. I see more backup than starter.


Eastern Conference scout No. 1: I know he’s had some times where he’s struggled. But I think he got a little bit of the hype train. Then he had one or two teammates get hurt. There’s a difference between him and Fears to me. There’s a little more maturity and dependability with him that I feel better about. I saw him at Northwestern, and he couldn’t make a shot in the first half, but didn’t force anything. He came out in the second half and made some shots, some big shots. But he rebounded the ball. He’s not a negative defender. I think he’s neutral, and maybe a tad better than neutral. If we keep calling games the way we’re calling them, he can be all right. He can shoot when he’s not on the ball. He’s got enough size. He can get stronger, but he’s strong enough. He may never be a starting point guard; he may be a backup. But he’ll be a really good backup.


EGOR DEMIN

College assistant coach No. 4 (his team played BYU): The first thing that stands out is you walk out there and he’s 6-8 1/2. (ED: Demin measured slightly shorter – 6-8 1/4 – in Chicago.) He’s tall. He’s frail, but he’s tall and he’s long. When we played them, our whole thing was we were going to get up and pressure him, pressure him, pressure him. He can make all the reads, all the passes, both hands. He’s got all that down, especially when he sees the same coverages over and over. … We were like, let’s attack him. Trap the ball screen, go under. We kept switching it up. He struggled a little bit with that. I think he’s a good player, the Josh Giddey-ish type guy. I think he’s going to end up shooting it better. The NBA guys were asking me, “Well, what worries you?” It’s so physical (in the NBA). He’ll have to get adjusted to that, because he’s light in the ass that way. I think he’s going to just have to figure that out. Once he (does) that, he’ll be fine. Probably will wind up being a backup point guard for some years, because he’s got size, he can make shots. And he can really pass.


Eastern Conference scout No. 2: Egor shot the ball well in Chicago in that one-on-none; but the game’s played at 7, with people in the stands.


Western Conference Executive No. 3: His vision and passing stuff, he’s not (Luka) Dončić. But this kid can pass it and has size and can play in an NBA game, because he can think on his own. He doesn’t need a script and look at it and has to learn it. He understands flow, who needs touches, time management, already. He’s mature beyond what he would be as a rookie. At worst, (he’s Josh) Giddey, in that hemisphere of a clone. The shooting piece, I’m not concerned with. He’ll figure that out. … Overall, he may be getting a little undervalued. When I saw him early, I figured if he played 34, 36 minutes a game, he could come close — I’m not saying he would — to averaging a triple-double. And I don’t think he was playing with that great (a group) of guys around him. How many other guys from that team are going to be pulling down a pro paycheck, except for maybe one or two of them?



JASE RICHARDSON

Western Conference executive No. 1: All 30 teams? No. But he can shoot the basketball. I give him that. Before he measured what he measured at (in Chicago; 6 feet-1/2 inch), everyone saw him as a two-guard. They claim he played point guard a lot in high school. Because if he can mimic the one like Jalen Brunson, he played point and he had some leadership skills. But he was more of a scoring guard than a point guard. I think it just depends where he ends up. He can shoot, and I like the pedigree. I wouldn’t be surprised either way.


College assistant coach No. 1 (his team played Michigan State): I don’t think he’s quite ready. It’s one of those cases where he had too good of a year to go back. Strike while the iron’s hot. But he’s not ready for the NBA. He’s going to spend 95 percent of his time next season in the G League. He just doesn’t know how to play. And I love the kid. We recruited him. Know his dad. The mom’s awesome. They’re great people. He’s going to figure it out, but he’s not ready. I hope he doesn’t go to a franchise that’s impatient with him. The reason he’s leaving is he has to leave. It’s not because he’s ready to leave. He has to leave, unfortunately. Because they’re going to draft him. They’re going to draft Jase Richardson. … It’s going to take another year or two before he can help a team, even the bad ones. The best thing he does is make hard shots. He got better as a catch-and-shoot guy, but he shoots hard shots off the bounce. He’s not a great athlete. … Great kid, tremendous kid. I just think it’s too soon.


College assistant coach No. 2 (his team played Michigan State): He’s a great college player. He was their best player. He is small. He does not have the hops his dad did. I love their family. The dad is a wonderful guy, and so is the kid. He made big shots, and if you let him get left to his midrange, he’ll make the college 3.


WALTER CLAYTON JR

College assistant coach No. 5 (his team played Florida): I did a terrific job (on the scout), when they kicked our ass (laughs). You can’t speed him up. To me, you can talk about being able to play fast. Tremendous pace. Has NBA size for the (guard) positions. Built to do it, good base. When you see him make sidestep 3s that are really difficult, I think he’s really powerful in the hips. He’s an NBA shot maker. He does it with confidence. And there’s very few guys that can do it. They take big shots. He takes and makes. His ability to create separation is great. Good range. And he’s sneakier than you think going downhill. We didn’t think he was a great finisher. This would be my only concern: How competitive is he? He was one of the guys we would go at. Who gets tired? Who will give in? We didn’t think he was a guy who would really guard. Walter was a load to handle at the offensive end.


Western Conference Scout No. 1: I liked him at (Iona). Since then, he’s gotten better. Because when the game is on the line, that’s when he shows up. Because he can score the ball. He knows who he is. He’s confident as hell. He can also make plays. He’s a score-first point guard (who) can pass. Plays hard, plays the right way. And he fits in with this new NBA.


Eastern Conference executive No. 1: Great kid, all-time great kid. Tough as hell. Needs to go to the right team. He’s not a point guard. He’s like a tough, powerful combo guard. I like him more than I did a year ago, but I’m not sold he’s going to be quite as good as people think. What a great kid. He’s a little bit undersized. But he’s strong. Nobody thought Jalen Brunson was going to be what he is, either. You never know.


Eastern Conference executive No. 3: I like him as a scoring point guard. He has to play the point. And in today’s game, the point guard has to be able to score. But you also need to be able to involve your teammates and get them good shots. He does that occasionally, but not on a consistent basis. The other thing is that because he has to have such a large offensive load, the defensive intensity is lacking at times. I think he has the ability to do it, but not at a consistent level. He isn’t going to have the usage level he did at Florida. Clayton was the point guard for Florida. But he also had to be the scorer. He was in that dilemma of whether to look for his shots or help his teammates get good shots.


NOLAN TRAORE

Eastern Conference executive No. 2: He never got a summer (last year), and I think he hit a wall. He got brought to the French national team for the Olympics. They strung him out. Maybe someone told him wrong, but I think he thought there was a chance he’d make the roster, because he had a hot end to the year. … He spent that entire time really going for it and trying to make that roster. If you really looked at that roster, numbers-wise, he wasn’t going to make it. But he thought he was. When he didn’t, it really pissed him off. So from there, he goes straight from that, they find a deal (for him) in (France’s) first division. So he never had an offseason. Started off gangbusters, then kind of hit a wall. … Just the timing of him sort of having some rocky games, that was the timing of everybody was there in France, because we were there for the NBA Paris Games. So all the teams were in and out of Paris in those two weeks, and in those two weeks, he really struggled. It almost piled on, when he didn’t really need to be evaluated and scrutinized that much, that was the exact time he was struggling. But if you watch him now, he’s like 6-3, good athlete, can really pass it. Gotta play with his left hand more; he’s very, very right-hand dominant. They’ve been working with him on that. …

When you let him play, (he’s) really talented. He can see it. He’s really good in transition. He can make a shot, but he’s not a deadeye guy. I think he goes early 20s. Late teens, early 20s, is a good comfortable landing spot for him. He’ll probably start his career as a good backup. He’ll be a little more mature than a lot of the younger guards, because he’s played professionally for so long. …I don’t know if his motor is such… to be one of those guys in the league, you have to have that killer gene. I don’t think he has it. Hoops Summit, he played out of his mind. But he still doesn’t come at you with that like, I’m going to kill you in this game.


Western Conference executive No. 3: Our scouts have an equation for French guards. They don’t make it in the NBA. Killian Hayes. (Frank) Ntilkina. Not Tony Parker; he made it (laughs). I went in with my eyes colored. And then I went, OK, what if this kid was playing in the United States, as a freshman or sophomore? Would he be First Team All-ACC, or First Team All-Big Ten? I don’t think so. But he’d be flirting with it. Would he be a starter on most ACC or Big Ten squads? Yes.


BEN SARAF

Western Conference executive No. 3: Extremely confident kid. In the same context as (Warriors guard Brandin) Podziemski. One of Brandin’s best traits is he thinks he’s the best player on the floor. This kid has that same characteristic. When he has the ball, stop me. Aside from that, the offensive piece is NBAish. Defensively, he’s going to get tested a little bit, but he’s going to figure it out. This kid thinks he’s Jordan. And that may be a little bit cuckoo, but every time I’ve seen this kid, whether he’s playing for Israel or for Ulm, you can write it down. There’s maybe, legitimately, 13 to 15 guys I would take swings with. But his range, I would be comfortable with, maybe, early 20s. I think he will have a career in somebody’s rotation. If he goes to a team that really knows him, that will increase his chances of, after his first contract, he’ll get paid, get a good deal. He will absolutely kill summer league.


Western Conference executive No. 4: I personally like his size and grit. Plays hard, smart, good decision-maker with the ball. Needs a consistent jumper but will make plays and run the team adequately. He is a tough SOB.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#1202 » by Walton1one » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:17 pm

JEREMIAH FEARS

Western Conference Executive No. 1: I’m a fan. I really like him. After Cooper Flagg, he would be my pick. He has a little bit of that “it” in terms of he can get downhill, where the game is played today. The shooting percentage has to get better, but I think it will. I think he’s serious about his craft. When the redraft is done, I’ll be surprised if he’s not one of the best three in this class. The size doesn’t bother me. That’s Ja Morant’s size. And I think he seems a little more stable. NBA speed and quickness, athleticism for the position, good handle. The shooting will get better, but he made big shots for his college. His demeanor and how he’s wired, I was impressed.


Eastern Conference scout No. 1: He’s hard for me. He was at USA (Basketball, where his team won the 2024 gold medal at the 2024 FIBA Men’s U-18 AmeriCup), and he’s trying to get it all at once. You want him to take a little bit of time. But he can go get a bucket. He can pass. The intel is a lot better than you see as a player. As a player, I think there’s times I think he’s a baby. He gets frustrated easily. I’m trying to think of guys he can be like. He’s growing, so that helps. He’s more of a Darius Garland-type player.


Eastern Conference scout No. 2: He gets to the paint. He didn’t shoot it at a high clip, but a lot of that is being young and garnering a lot of attention. But he can shoot it. He’ll be fine in that area. Has some speed in the open floor. He’s not as fast as (Auburn’s Tahaad) Pettiford is in a tight box. Fears, in transition, when he picks up speed, he’s really good. And he sees the floor pretty well. He plays with some moxie to him.


Eastern Conference executive No. 1: Love him. I think he’s right up there. He’s like Cooper Flagg, he classified up, so he’s young. To me, he’s a future All-Star. Smooth. Does he need to get stronger? Yeah. But he’s not skinny. He’s athletic as heck, quick as heck.


Western Conference executive No. 3: Didn’t surprise me his height was lower than it was. But, I think he has two things going for him. One, his age. He’s just so darn young. He should be a high school senior. To think that he’d be putting on a (high school) jersey and doing what he did this year, it’s wow. What he did do at Oklahoma was special. He has a skill set that translates. He can go get buckets. I think there’s room for him to develop his vision for what’s going on, so he’s not just in a tunnel. But his age and what he can provide has NBA written all over it. Hopefully, by the age of 21, you have a star.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#1203 » by zzaj » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:31 pm

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zzaj wrote:
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DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
I thought Kasparas had actually pretty impressive numbers off self creation, isolation and step back shooting...? I could be wrong but one of the reasons I like him were some sneaky advanced stats I saw somewhere that I can't remember now lol.

Did find a comment on the draft board


IIRC, I only watched two Illinois games this season, plus ofc all the same scouting vids we've all seen...so I'm not really the KJ guy. Absolutely, no kind of last word on his scout. He certainly may have a level of self creation he can unlock in the mid range.He You can tell just by watching that the stepback 3 is second nature for him...and that's a good thing. It's much easier to add C&S to the arsenal than off the dribble 3s. He has the FT% to indicate he may be able to up that C&S 3pt percentage, too. And he's only barely 19 on draft day and played internationally...all good things.

The issue with him is that at 6'5" in shoes he's not outlier tall, even for PGs in the modern NBA, so playing against NBA defenders and defenses that know EXACTLY what he's going to do (stepback 3, or attack the basket off of screens and wait for contact) will just wilt any offense he brings to the table. If he was Banton or Demin's height I'd be much more intrigued. So basically what you're getting is a 36% C&S average length combo guard who is good at finding the open man, but gets caught turning the ball over when his defender doesn't bite on his hesitations around the basket. He'll be a negative defender in the NBA given his average length and athleticism.

Again, IMHO he wouldn't be a bad pick...just not somebody I'm as high on vs. Noa, Coward or Bryant at 11 for example. Demin even though he has only +1" length, at 6'9" in shoes at least has a 6'10.25" wingspan to cover up some of his defense. For reference, a player like Kris Murray is 6'8.75" in shoes with a 6'11.75" wingspan.

Full caveat, I'm a super proponent when it comes to outlier length as an indicator of future defense. For me it's kinda the defensive version of FT% : 3pt shooting. Of course not always an accurate prediction metric--certainly there are non-plus, very good defenders, but if you look at the league's best defenders historically, it's one quality that stands out...

Sorry for rambling! I can't WAIT for the draft!


Ramble away! It's what we are all here for anyways, just offering various opinions. No one is an expert or should be taken too seriously, not like we are getting paid to be here.

I am definitely with you about length, it's why I'm still high on the "hype trio" of Essengue, Bryant and Coward.

But the other thing I think to look out for is players with exceptional BBIQ. They might not always come in the most physically ideal package but players who can think the game faster and better than others definitely have a place in this league.

In our range, KJ is the guy that sticks out to me as maybe having the feel and mentality to be that kind of player. Is he? I dunno. No one does. It's the hardest thing to measure or project in a prospect. We can only watch and find out. But he has a specific kind of flair to his game, a looseness and adaptability that I like to see as hints toward that sort of thing.

Is 6'5 too small for PG these days? I don't really think so. I think a bigger problem for PG's is being slow, its why I am just not a fan of Demin. Point guards need to constantly fight over screens and beat players to spots on the court. At least as far as it relates to offensive abilities I would rather a guy with less than ideal height but with good speed and shiftiness at the position. I mean I would love to find an offensive wizard with exceptional size and length and speed but drafting at 11 something has to give. I think KJ could be a Jamal Murray type player, obviously that isn't a A tier star player but it would still be a good pickup at 11. So I think KJ has a good mix of size and shiftiness and the kind of vision and ball handling to potentially someday be a lead ball handler for a team.

He still isn't my top target. I have a bit of hesitation about his second half of the season. I mean 6 months ago he was pretty universally ranked as a top 5 draft pick and so the only reason we are discussing him is due to that slip. The story is that was due to an injury which, sure ok, maybe circumstances have allowed a top talent to slip to us. But also I am definitely wary of trends and it makes me wonder if he will be able to be consistent in a league as physical as the NBA, players are constantly getting dinged up and bruised and they need to perform to their best regardless.

Anyways, broadly speaking my thinking on this kind of goes as such: While obviously you want all players to be good defenders, exceptional defense is what makes exceptional role players and exceptional offense is what makes star players. It would be a little silly to pass up on Jamal Murray for Jaden McDaniels. Now again if scouting doesn't think KJ can be that kind of offensive initiator then yeah lets draft a guy who can be a defensive monster instead, but I wouldn't rule out a guy who is head and shoulders above his peers when it comes to thinking the game just because they aren't ideal physically or built for elite defense.

Anyways, ramble ramble ramble no one really knows. I think KJ has an intriguing enough skillset combined with a fluidity and craftiness to consider him against guys who better look the part like Essengue, Bryant and Coward. Not entirely sold one way or the other, but its worth not ruling him out entirely.



"...exceptional defense is what makes exceptional role players and exceptional offense is what makes star players..." I particularly liked that bit in the "Ramble On" :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

Yeah, at pick #11 the best chances are for a role player and good backup player in the NBA. If KJ can become that, then great...the Blazers did their job. Of course we all want the Blazers to find the hidden gem that even passes their projected ceiling. That's just rare at #11.

Again, depending on how 1-10 shake out, KJ wouldn't be my pick...but I certainly can see an argument for him!
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#1204 » by Goldbum » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:33 pm

The team I’m hearing has the most interest in Ant is in the West. If what I’m hearing could happen, does happen, some will be shocked at the value.
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Post#1205 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:41 pm

Walton1one wrote:JEREMIAH FEARS

Western Conference Executive No. 1: I’m a fan. I really like him. After Cooper Flagg, he would be my pick. He has a little bit of that “it” in terms of he can get downhill, where the game is played today. The shooting percentage has to get better, but I think it will. I think he’s serious about his craft. When the redraft is done, I’ll be surprised if he’s not one of the best three in this class. The size doesn’t bother me. That’s Ja Morant’s size. And I think he seems a little more stable. NBA speed and quickness, athleticism for the position, good handle. The shooting will get better, but he made big shots for his college. His demeanor and how he’s wired, I was impressed.


Eastern Conference scout No. 1: He’s hard for me. He was at USA (Basketball, where his team won the 2024 gold medal at the 2024 FIBA Men’s U-18 AmeriCup), and he’s trying to get it all at once. You want him to take a little bit of time. But he can go get a bucket. He can pass. The intel is a lot better than you see as a player. As a player, I think there’s times I think he’s a baby. He gets frustrated easily. I’m trying to think of guys he can be like. He’s growing, so that helps. He’s more of a Darius Garland-type player.


Eastern Conference scout No. 2: He gets to the paint. He didn’t shoot it at a high clip, but a lot of that is being young and garnering a lot of attention. But he can shoot it. He’ll be fine in that area. Has some speed in the open floor. He’s not as fast as (Auburn’s Tahaad) Pettiford is in a tight box. Fears, in transition, when he picks up speed, he’s really good. And he sees the floor pretty well. He plays with some moxie to him.


Eastern Conference executive No. 1: Love him. I think he’s right up there. He’s like Cooper Flagg, he classified up, so he’s young. To me, he’s a future All-Star. Smooth. Does he need to get stronger? Yeah. But he’s not skinny. He’s athletic as heck, quick as heck.


Western Conference executive No. 3: Didn’t surprise me his height was lower than it was. But, I think he has two things going for him. One, his age. He’s just so darn young. He should be a high school senior. To think that he’d be putting on a (high school) jersey and doing what he did this year, it’s wow. What he did do at Oklahoma was special. He has a skill set that translates. He can go get buckets. I think there’s room for him to develop his vision for what’s going on, so he’s not just in a tunnel. But his age and what he can provide has NBA written all over it. Hopefully, by the age of 21, you have a star.


He really passes the eye test on offense, just super fast with the ball in his hand and driving.

But apparently his finishing at the rim numbers were kind of lack luster in college and that is going to have to be his bread and butter in the NBA against even better rim protection. He doesn't bring a lot else if he isn't attacking the rim efficiently so how he translates and improves in that essential area against even better competition is a big question mark for me.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#1206 » by Tim Lehrbach » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:02 pm

Goldbum wrote:The team I’m hearing has the most interest in Ant is in the West. If what I’m hearing could happen, does happen, some will be shocked at the value.


Please, oh please, let me be the shocked one.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#1207 » by DusterBuster » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:39 pm

Goldbum wrote:The team I’m hearing has the most interest in Ant is in the West. If what I’m hearing could happen, does happen, some will be shocked at the value.


Dallas? That would be my guess if I'm laying money down.

Maybe Sacramento as a darkhorse? Could be some FOMO from losing both Fox and Hali that might make them want to overpay for Ant. They also might offer extra assets if the Blazers take back someone like DeRozen in the deal. They also have a lot of their picks still to work with.

Also maybe the Grizzlies? Maybe they look to flip part of their pick haul from Orlando to Portland for Simons to fill the scoring hole left by moving Bane? Simons has some connections with Memphis apparently, KCP and Simons work 1:1 salary wise, throw in 2 or 3 of the 5 picks they got from Orlando?

EDIT: I should also ask, shocked at the value in a good way for Blazer fans, or shocked at the value of how poor it is?
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Post#1208 » by Norm2953 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:49 pm

I think I'd still prefer to let Ant/Ayton simply expire
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Post#1209 » by DusterBuster » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:52 pm

Norm2953 wrote:I think I'd still prefer to let Ant/Ayton simply expire


Insane talk if you have a team willing to throw multiple FRP draft capital your way. Even if that means taking on an extra year or two of bad money. You ain't paying for that salary and any new owner coming in to buy the team will only have that bad money on their books for maybe 1 year max.

You only let those two simply expire if teams aren't willing to offer anything of real value and bad contracts back. If it's a sellers market right now (which the Bane trade suggests it is), sell sell sell baby.
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Post#1210 » by DusterBuster » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:23 pm

I forget which show I was listening too, but they basically said you have almost no team in the West "tanking/rebuilding" right now. Even Utah is looking to start moving past their tanking phase. Memphis is just retooling. The Pelicans are still hoping to be good and get Zion back engaged. Sacramento still is very vet laden. Spurs clearly are in win-now/win-soon mode. Up and down the west, all teams are trying to win.

So with that in mind, teams are willing to spend a premium for quality starting players who have unique skillsets. Had the Blazers never drafted Scoot, I would probably be much more against giving up Simons. He is an elite / unique scoring threat... inconsistent for my taste, but he's a guy who's at the top of scouting reports for other teams and when he's hot, he's unstoppable. He's always been basically 70-80% of Lillard.

With those thoughts in mind, the teams who could use Simons in the West seem to only point to a handful. Mav, Nuggets, Grizzlies, Suns, Kings, and Jazz are all I can see.

Suns seem like a longshot because of their second apron status. Only way Simons ends up in Phoenix is part of a 3 or 4 team KD trade. Even then, the salaries are nearly impossible to make work as far as I can see.

Nuggets would require the Blazers taking back Porter Jr and they don't have many picks to work with, so not sure there's a fit there.

Jazz could do a lot of different ways this summer. John Collins for Simons works straight up, no team takes on additional salary and they've got a ton of FRPs to play with. If they still want to build around Markkanen while he's still in his prime, Simons makes a ton of sense. They would have a small backcourt with him and Sexton, but Simons is a major upgrade over Clarkson who's getting up there in age. So Simons is a good age fit for the 26-28yo core they have and with Cody Williams so far being a pretty big NBA flop. They currently are slotted to likely take Fears in the draft, but he likely won't be ready for a starting role.... but this is Danny Ainge we're talking about here. He could just as easily decide to cash out on Markkanen... so they're a wildcard pick, but they have the salaries, potential need and picks to make it work.

Kings, Grizzlies and Mavs I still think are the leaders in the clubhouse. DeRozen supposedly is unhappy and wants out of Sacramento, they basically have no PG anymore and they have a good amount of FRPs to play with. If we're playing the "we'll be surprised by the return" game (in a good way), Simons for DeRozen, 2027 FRP, 2029 FRP, 2031 FRP (from MIN unprotected).

Mavs meanwhile have already been publicly linked to Simons in rumors and have made it very clear they're going to aggressively target a starting PG. PJ Washington, Martin and small filler contract for Simons works, then (again, surprised in good way) the Mavs send over both the 2029 picks (their own which comes with a swap possibility for HOU + Lakers pick from Luka trade lol) and their 2031 FRP.
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Post#1211 » by zzaj » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:34 pm

Norm2953 wrote:I think I'd still prefer to let Ant/Ayton simply expire


I think there is less than a 3% chance Joe Cronin lets both Ant and Ayton expire. He 100% would overpay them before that happens, sadly.
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Post#1212 » by DusterBuster » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:46 pm

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Norm2953 wrote:I think I'd still prefer to let Ant/Ayton simply expire


I think there is less than a 3% chance Joe Cronin lets both Ant and Ayton expire. He 100% would overpay them before that happens, sadly.


I tend to agree with this assessment way more than just letting those dudes walk for nothing. For better or worse, starting quality players in the NBA have a crazy high premium on them right now, regardless if they're All Stars.

The NBA is in a real transitionary process right now where teams seem far less concerned with a players accolades and awards as much as they are making sure they fit their team. If they're what a team thinks fits their needs perfectly, they'll pay out the nose for that player like he's a HOFer.
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Post#1213 » by Norm2953 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:55 pm

zzaj wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:I think I'd still prefer to let Ant/Ayton simply expire


I think there is less than a 3% chance Joe Cronin lets both Ant and Ayton expire. He 100% would overpay them before that happens, sadly.


Ordinarily I'd agree with you but I see the Lakers just got sold for $10B and I just wonder how free a hand Cronin
will have this summer as far as spending money on an extensions.

Teams like Portland who are not playoff contenders will do their utmost to keep their balance sheets clean for
the new owner, for even the needed improvements to the Moda Center are being delayed. I'd find it hard to believe
the team would save a few bucks on improvements while forking out major $$$ on Ayton/Simons. Best way for
Cronin to get fired if the new owner sees the balance sheet with a guy like Simons making $35 million/season.

The new owner hopefully will keep Cronin from doing something stupid.
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Kaspaas Jakucionis
College assistant coach No. 2 (his team played Illinois): If you allow him to go left, into his stepback, he’s deadly. He did tail off the last 10 to 15 games because, obviously, the scouting is good and people started figuring him out a little bit. Got the size. Very turnover-prone, because he takes risks, as many European players do. I hear he’s a great kid. They played him at point guard. Defensively, very average. We got our guards in a switch with his guy and he wanted no part of it. But I think he had a great reputation coming over. He’s going to get you 16, at least, and give you six turnovers. But very good player.


Western Conference executive No. 3: You’re going to be at a disadvantage every night if he’s your starter. Because he has to go against 29 of the best guards in the world. I could see him having trouble defensively. One-on-one, iso, pick-and-roll. But he makes it up with the intangibles because he plays hard. He tries. Offensively, if he could play five-on-four, he would be really, really good. He can shoot, he can pass, he can handle, he can distribute. But I do not see this kid, if you’re not a Play-In (team), I don’t think he’s good enough in that context as a starter. As a reliable backup? Sure.


Western Conference executive No. 1: A couple of our guys are real KJ fans. When I studied him on film, he just looked solid to me. I didn’t see anything special. Can shoot it, but he doesn’t have great speed and quickness. He’ll have to be a fit guy. If he doesn’t get exposed athletically, he can look decent. But if you draft him to be your point guard and the face of it, I think you’re going to be disappointed. I see more backup than starter.


Eastern Conference scout No. 1: I know he’s had some times where he’s struggled. But I think he got a little bit of the hype train. Then he had one or two teammates get hurt. There’s a difference between him and Fears to me. There’s a little more maturity and dependability with him that I feel better about. I saw him at Northwestern, and he couldn’t make a shot in the first half, but didn’t force anything. He came out in the second half and made some shots, some big shots. But he rebounded the ball. He’s not a negative defender. I think he’s neutral, and maybe a tad better than neutral. If we keep calling games the way we’re calling them, he can be all right. He can shoot when he’s not on the ball. He’s got enough size. He can get stronger, but he’s strong enough. He may never be a starting point guard; he may be a backup. But he’ll be a really good backup.


EGOR DEMIN

College assistant coach No. 4 (his team played BYU): The first thing that stands out is you walk out there and he’s 6-8 1/2. (ED: Demin measured slightly shorter – 6-8 1/4 – in Chicago.) He’s tall. He’s frail, but he’s tall and he’s long. When we played them, our whole thing was we were going to get up and pressure him, pressure him, pressure him. He can make all the reads, all the passes, both hands. He’s got all that down, especially when he sees the same coverages over and over. … We were like, let’s attack him. Trap the ball screen, go under. We kept switching it up. He struggled a little bit with that. I think he’s a good player, the Josh Giddey-ish type guy. I think he’s going to end up shooting it better. The NBA guys were asking me, “Well, what worries you?” It’s so physical (in the NBA). He’ll have to get adjusted to that, because he’s light in the ass that way. I think he’s going to just have to figure that out. Once he (does) that, he’ll be fine. Probably will wind up being a backup point guard for some years, because he’s got size, he can make shots. And he can really pass.


Eastern Conference scout No. 2: Egor shot the ball well in Chicago in that one-on-none; but the game’s played at 7, with people in the stands.


Western Conference Executive No. 3: His vision and passing stuff, he’s not (Luka) Dončić. But this kid can pass it and has size and can play in an NBA game, because he can think on his own. He doesn’t need a script and look at it and has to learn it. He understands flow, who needs touches, time management, already. He’s mature beyond what he would be as a rookie. At worst, (he’s Josh) Giddey, in that hemisphere of a clone. The shooting piece, I’m not concerned with. He’ll figure that out. … Overall, he may be getting a little undervalued. When I saw him early, I figured if he played 34, 36 minutes a game, he could come close — I’m not saying he would — to averaging a triple-double. And I don’t think he was playing with that great (a group) of guys around him. How many other guys from that team are going to be pulling down a pro paycheck, except for maybe one or two of them?



JASE RICHARDSON

Western Conference executive No. 1: All 30 teams? No. But he can shoot the basketball. I give him that. Before he measured what he measured at (in Chicago; 6 feet-1/2 inch), everyone saw him as a two-guard. They claim he played point guard a lot in high school. Because if he can mimic the one like Jalen Brunson, he played point and he had some leadership skills. But he was more of a scoring guard than a point guard. I think it just depends where he ends up. He can shoot, and I like the pedigree. I wouldn’t be surprised either way.


College assistant coach No. 1 (his team played Michigan State): I don’t think he’s quite ready. It’s one of those cases where he had too good of a year to go back. Strike while the iron’s hot. But he’s not ready for the NBA. He’s going to spend 95 percent of his time next season in the G League. He just doesn’t know how to play. And I love the kid. We recruited him. Know his dad. The mom’s awesome. They’re great people. He’s going to figure it out, but he’s not ready. I hope he doesn’t go to a franchise that’s impatient with him. The reason he’s leaving is he has to leave. It’s not because he’s ready to leave. He has to leave, unfortunately. Because they’re going to draft him. They’re going to draft Jase Richardson. … It’s going to take another year or two before he can help a team, even the bad ones. The best thing he does is make hard shots. He got better as a catch-and-shoot guy, but he shoots hard shots off the bounce. He’s not a great athlete. … Great kid, tremendous kid. I just think it’s too soon.


College assistant coach No. 2 (his team played Michigan State): He’s a great college player. He was their best player. He is small. He does not have the hops his dad did. I love their family. The dad is a wonderful guy, and so is the kid. He made big shots, and if you let him get left to his midrange, he’ll make the college 3.


WALTER CLAYTON JR

College assistant coach No. 5 (his team played Florida): I did a terrific job (on the scout), when they kicked our ass (laughs). You can’t speed him up. To me, you can talk about being able to play fast. Tremendous pace. Has NBA size for the (guard) positions. Built to do it, good base. When you see him make sidestep 3s that are really difficult, I think he’s really powerful in the hips. He’s an NBA shot maker. He does it with confidence. And there’s very few guys that can do it. They take big shots. He takes and makes. His ability to create separation is great. Good range. And he’s sneakier than you think going downhill. We didn’t think he was a great finisher. This would be my only concern: How competitive is he? He was one of the guys we would go at. Who gets tired? Who will give in? We didn’t think he was a guy who would really guard. Walter was a load to handle at the offensive end.


Western Conference Scout No. 1: I liked him at (Iona). Since then, he’s gotten better. Because when the game is on the line, that’s when he shows up. Because he can score the ball. He knows who he is. He’s confident as hell. He can also make plays. He’s a score-first point guard (who) can pass. Plays hard, plays the right way. And he fits in with this new NBA.


Eastern Conference executive No. 1: Great kid, all-time great kid. Tough as hell. Needs to go to the right team. He’s not a point guard. He’s like a tough, powerful combo guard. I like him more than I did a year ago, but I’m not sold he’s going to be quite as good as people think. What a great kid. He’s a little bit undersized. But he’s strong. Nobody thought Jalen Brunson was going to be what he is, either. You never know.


Eastern Conference executive No. 3: I like him as a scoring point guard. He has to play the point. And in today’s game, the point guard has to be able to score. But you also need to be able to involve your teammates and get them good shots. He does that occasionally, but not on a consistent basis. The other thing is that because he has to have such a large offensive load, the defensive intensity is lacking at times. I think he has the ability to do it, but not at a consistent level. He isn’t going to have the usage level he did at Florida. Clayton was the point guard for Florida. But he also had to be the scorer. He was in that dilemma of whether to look for his shots or help his teammates get good shots.


NOLAN TRAORE

Eastern Conference executive No. 2: He never got a summer (last year), and I think he hit a wall. He got brought to the French national team for the Olympics. They strung him out. Maybe someone told him wrong, but I think he thought there was a chance he’d make the roster, because he had a hot end to the year. … He spent that entire time really going for it and trying to make that roster. If you really looked at that roster, numbers-wise, he wasn’t going to make it. But he thought he was. When he didn’t, it really pissed him off. So from there, he goes straight from that, they find a deal (for him) in (France’s) first division. So he never had an offseason. Started off gangbusters, then kind of hit a wall. … Just the timing of him sort of having some rocky games, that was the timing of everybody was there in France, because we were there for the NBA Paris Games. So all the teams were in and out of Paris in those two weeks, and in those two weeks, he really struggled. It almost piled on, when he didn’t really need to be evaluated and scrutinized that much, that was the exact time he was struggling. But if you watch him now, he’s like 6-3, good athlete, can really pass it. Gotta play with his left hand more; he’s very, very right-hand dominant. They’ve been working with him on that. …

When you let him play, (he’s) really talented. He can see it. He’s really good in transition. He can make a shot, but he’s not a deadeye guy. I think he goes early 20s. Late teens, early 20s, is a good comfortable landing spot for him. He’ll probably start his career as a good backup. He’ll be a little more mature than a lot of the younger guards, because he’s played professionally for so long. …I don’t know if his motor is such… to be one of those guys in the league, you have to have that killer gene. I don’t think he has it. Hoops Summit, he played out of his mind. But he still doesn’t come at you with that like, I’m going to kill you in this game.


Western Conference executive No. 3: Our scouts have an equation for French guards. They don’t make it in the NBA. Killian Hayes. (Frank) Ntilkina. Not Tony Parker; he made it (laughs). I went in with my eyes colored. And then I went, OK, what if this kid was playing in the United States, as a freshman or sophomore? Would he be First Team All-ACC, or First Team All-Big Ten? I don’t think so. But he’d be flirting with it. Would he be a starter on most ACC or Big Ten squads? Yes.


BEN SARAF

Western Conference executive No. 3: Extremely confident kid. In the same context as (Warriors guard Brandin) Podziemski. One of Brandin’s best traits is he thinks he’s the best player on the floor. This kid has that same characteristic. When he has the ball, stop me. Aside from that, the offensive piece is NBAish. Defensively, he’s going to get tested a little bit, but he’s going to figure it out. This kid thinks he’s Jordan. And that may be a little bit cuckoo, but every time I’ve seen this kid, whether he’s playing for Israel or for Ulm, you can write it down. There’s maybe, legitimately, 13 to 15 guys I would take swings with. But his range, I would be comfortable with, maybe, early 20s. I think he will have a career in somebody’s rotation. If he goes to a team that really knows him, that will increase his chances of, after his first contract, he’ll get paid, get a good deal. He will absolutely kill summer league.


Western Conference executive No. 4: I personally like his size and grit. Plays hard, smart, good decision-maker with the ball. Needs a consistent jumper but will make plays and run the team adequately. He is a tough SOB.


Demin needs to be able to rebound to average a triple double. Something he's quite poor at.

That Western Conf Exec No. 3's take is wild. "At worst he's a Josh Giddey-ish type".

Wrong. That's his absolute blue sky ceiling. I think his ceiling is quite low, as is his floor. He's not a good defender, rebounder or shooter, and he's too slow to beat defenders or get around screens. Yikes.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#1215 » by DusterBuster » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:11 pm

Norm2953 wrote:
zzaj wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:I think I'd still prefer to let Ant/Ayton simply expire


I think there is less than a 3% chance Joe Cronin lets both Ant and Ayton expire. He 100% would overpay them before that happens, sadly.


Ordinarily I'd agree with you but I see the Lakers just got sold for $10B and I just wonder how free a hand Cronin
will have this summer as far as spending money on an extensions.

Teams like Portland who are not playoff contenders will do their utmost to keep their balance sheets clean for
the new owner, for even the needed improvements to the Moda Center are being delayed. I'd find it hard to believe
the team would save a few bucks on improvements while forking out major $$$ on Ayton/Simons. Best way for
Cronin to get fired if the new owner sees the balance sheet with a guy like Simons making $35 million/season.

The new owner hopefully will keep Cronin from doing something stupid.


You have to keep in mind, any new owner for the Blazers is not coming in for 2 to maybe 3 years down the line. The Blazers are going to be operating as normal for the entirety of the 25/26 season. Then there's likely a transition season of Vulcan to the new ownership in 26/27. New ownership likely then really getting their teeth into things for the 27/28 season. Even if Cronin hands out extensions, those extensions will be more than half over by the time new owners come into power in earnest.

As long as Cronin isn't pushing the roster salary into stupid second apron / hard cap territory, I think he will continue to have fairly decent autonomy to do what he feels best - at least as far as this summer is concerned. Next summer and the following... might be a different story.

That's why I suspect, if no deal is made, Simons and Ayton may see extensions this summer and likely 3 year extensions so they expire the same year as Grant and only have like 2 or 1 season left for the new owners to decide what they want to do with.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#1216 » by zzaj » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:12 pm

Norm2953 wrote:
zzaj wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:I think I'd still prefer to let Ant/Ayton simply expire


I think there is less than a 3% chance Joe Cronin lets both Ant and Ayton expire. He 100% would overpay them before that happens, sadly.


Ordinarily I'd agree with you but I see the Lakers just got sold for $10B and I just wonder how free a hand Cronin
will have this summer as far as spending money on an extensions.

Teams like Portland who are not playoff contenders will do their utmost to keep their balance sheets clean for
the new owner, for even the needed improvements to the Moda Center are being delayed. I'd find it hard to believe
the team would save a few bucks on improvements while forking out major $$$ on Ayton/Simons. Best way for
Cronin to get fired if the new owner sees the balance sheet with a guy like Simons making $35 million/season.

The new owner hopefully will keep Cronin from doing something stupid.


All of that makes sense to me, a thousand-aire...but I don't functionally know how much impact having a resigned Simons on the books for 35M means to a prospective, Billionaire ownership group. It could mean nothing, it could mean a lot...I simply don't know.

What I do know is...GMs don't let starting caliber players expire for nothing very often. We can quibble over whether both Simons and Ayton are considered "starting caliber" (I think both probably are viewed as such by the league as a whole), but it would be a pretty rare event for this to happen, as far as I can remember. Plus, well it's Joe Cronin. I won't get into the 'he overpays his guys' argument with him. lol

Here's where somebody reminds me that GMs letting players walk for expiring savings happened 723409874 times last year, and I tell my dumb old man brain to quit posting. :lol:
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Post#1217 » by JRoy » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:12 pm

Norm2953 wrote:I think I'd still prefer to let Ant/Ayton simply expire


You might be right but that runs the risk of Cronin re-signing those guys.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#1218 » by DusterBuster » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:20 pm

zzaj wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:
zzaj wrote:
I think there is less than a 3% chance Joe Cronin lets both Ant and Ayton expire. He 100% would overpay them before that happens, sadly.


Ordinarily I'd agree with you but I see the Lakers just got sold for $10B and I just wonder how free a hand Cronin
will have this summer as far as spending money on an extensions.

Teams like Portland who are not playoff contenders will do their utmost to keep their balance sheets clean for
the new owner, for even the needed improvements to the Moda Center are being delayed. I'd find it hard to believe
the team would save a few bucks on improvements while forking out major $$$ on Ayton/Simons. Best way for
Cronin to get fired if the new owner sees the balance sheet with a guy like Simons making $35 million/season.

The new owner hopefully will keep Cronin from doing something stupid.


All of that makes sense to me, a thousand-aire...but I don't functionally know how much impact having a resigned Simons on the books for 35M means to a prospective, Billionaire ownership group. It could mean nothing, it could mean a lot...I simply don't know.

What I do know is...GMs don't let starting caliber players expire for nothing very often. We can quibble over whether both Simons and Ayton are considered "starting caliber" (I think both probably are viewed as such by the league as a whole), but it would be a pretty rare event for this to happen, as far as I can remember. Plus, well it's Joe Cronin. I won't get into the 'he overpays his guys' argument with him. lol

Here's where somebody reminds me that GMs letting players walk for expiring savings happened 723409874 times last year, and I tell my dumb old man brain to quit posting. :lol:


I think Blazer fans - on this board in particular - twist themselves into pretzels with advanced stats to devalue both Simons and Ayton and consider them trash. I've seen the "He's not even top 20 starter at his position" posts. The reality is, that's not how NBA management functions. They all have different rankings to some respect (as do all humans), they also consider who fits their team and play-style, as well as simply who's available and at what cost.

So lets take that "Ayton isn't even a top 20 starter at his position" argument... Ok cool, 10 of those guys aren't available because their team isn't trading them. The next 6 probably have insanely high price tags or the team needing a C just doesn't have the assets to match. All of a sudden, even if you're using that very binary metric of player value, you arrive at Ayton maybe being the best fit for a couple of teams in need of a C (or by the same logic, Simons being the best fit for a team needing a PG/SG).
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Post#1219 » by mojomarc » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:33 pm

Goldbum wrote:The team I’m hearing has the most interest in Ant is in the West. If what I’m hearing could happen, does happen, some will be shocked at the value.


I'm down for Ant for Wemby :lol:
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#1220 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:42 pm

Man I feel like this happens every year where I get myself excited about a few guys and then watch them slowly climb the draft boards. I could see a situation on draft day where by pick 11 Essengue, Kasparas and Byrant are already off the board.


Is it worth revisiting CMB at all? He absolutely isn't the best fit for us, isn't the best fit for the modern NBA with a premium on shooting, but he does offer 2-way impact, unlike someone like Queen/Fears/Maluach/Demin who are all more 1-dimentional players IMO. He is one of those rare athletes who has a clear advantage in terms of speed or strength over 95% of all NBA and can leverage whichever to his advantage. Again the shooting is a real problem for us but he is a unique and impactful player. And on the tiny tiny percent chance he develops a workable shot then he really could be a Draymond type player.

I think I still have Coward over him because of the premium on shooting ability but if our choice targets are gone by 11 we may have to think about other options.

Tier 1 targets: Essengue, Kasparas, Bryant
Tier 2 targets: Coward, CMB, Demin

Maybe? I dunno. Just spitballing.

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