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Re: Offseason of talk about LMA potentially leaving the Blazers 

Post#141 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:57 pm

Downtown wrote:Like everyone else I hope Aldridge decides to stay and accept the maximum contract offer. But I don't pretend to know a thing about which way he's leaning. And I think he would be making a mistake not to at least explore his options and listen to teams pitches in what they are prepared to do in order to lure him to their teams. Being a top tier free agent and having control in your own hands only comes around once or twice in a players career so you better take advantage of it.

But if we are discussing what would be the Blazers best options if he did tell them he's gone then I think some of the pieces Houston has are the best for Portland, more so than Dallas or San Antonio if Texas is indeed where Aldridge wants to move to. And although I don't know what kind of cap issues arise, I'm just going with players I think could work.

While none of these guys can give Portland what Aldridge does I think players such as Jones, who is underrated in my opinion, Capella, Montiejunas, and even KJ McDaniels, all would give the Blazers much better depth and some young potential, especially combined with McCollum and Leonard, both of whom have done enough lately to change my opinion of them as far as potential.


I think Portland's ability to get any value in a trade for LMA would be directly related to how close the other team could get to the cap-space to sign Aldridge outright, and how much they'd have to sacrifice to get there

Theoretically then, you're right, Houston would probably offer Portland the best opportunity for getting value back.

to start with, they'd have to sacrifice quite a bit to get anywhere close to the necessary space, and I'm not sure they could get there. Apparently, Corey brewer already declined his option

so, this would be their guaranteed salary picture:

Dwight Howard $22,359,364
James Harden $15,756,438
Trevor Ariza $8,193,030
Pablo Prigioni $1,734,572
Terrence Jones $2,489,530
Donatas Motiejunas $2,288,205
Clint Capela $1,242,720
Joey Dorsey $1,015,421
Nick Johnson $845,059

about 56 million. That's for only 9 players so add 3 roster charges bringing their 'payroll' to about 57.5 million. That would leave them about 9 million shy of the needed space.

and keep in mind, that does not account for the 18th pick in the draft (pelicans), or the cap-holds of Patrick Beverly and Josh Smith

obviously, a deal could get done if it was Ariza and Jones for Aldridge. That might even leave enough room for Houston to absorb Beverly's cap-hold. But I don't think the Blazers would have any interest in Ariza's long-term deal. I suppose they might if they were thinking they would cut loose from Batum either in trade or when his contract expires. Another option would be if a 3rd team with cap-space or an interesting player or two wanted Ariza and was willing to send picks and/or players to Portland

Ideally, if Aldridge wanted to go to Houston, the two teams could get an agreement in place early, before the draft, and that 18th pick would be part of the deal

or, if the Blazers, knowing Aldridge was leaving, were willing to play hardball with Lopez, they could ask for Motiejunas as a form of insurance is Lopez leaves. The problem with that, in my view, is that Lillard, Leonard, Jones, and Motiejunas would all be 4th year RFA's at the same time. That would be bad timing in terms of the cap, especially considering they'd all be getting new contracts under the parameters of the new TV deal and a 90 million salary cap

hell, maybe the Blazers could even include a trade of Blake for a re-signed Patrick Beverly although I'd expect Beverly will be a too high-priced backup

And because none of these players have big contracts(yet), it would still allow Olshey to go after and higher end power forward or centre in free agency to try and mitigate the loss of Aldridge.


you may be significantly overestimating the amount of cap-space Portland would have, especially if Afflalo doesn't opt-out. Portland would be at about 41 million in salary (including the 23rd pick), and the cap-holds of Matthews and Lopez would add 20 million. So that would leave around 6 million in space before accounting for any returning salary in an Aldridge trade. Portland could clear about 12 million in space by renouncing Lopez and waiving Kaman, but that would leave Leonard, Jones, and perhaps Motiejunas as the only bigs, and that's not even close to what the Blazers would need

But make no mistake, I'm still in the camp that wants to see the entire core back, plus a better perimeter defender sixth man type like Aflalo was supposed to be for them. But I'm also realistic that being able to keep all three of Aldridge, Mathews, and Lopez might be a difficult task for Olshey.


yeah, it's going to be a difficult task, but by god, that's the task Olshey has been pointing at for 3 off-seasons by deferring any significant bench-building. He's had some plan in place apparently, and if it starts by losing Aldridge to free agency, it will have been an unmitigated failure, unless somehow, he can turn water into wine

I'm rather pessimistic at this point. I did not like Aldridge's body language at all in this Memphis series. he looked kind of checked out. He wasn't moving like he usually does, but then, it can be hard to move normally with one foot out the door
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Re: Offseason of talk about LMA potentially leaving the Blazers 

Post#142 » by Jsun947 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:03 pm

If Houston can ditch Ariza, Prigioni, Capela, and Johnson for nothing, waive Kostas, and Brewer opts out they have enough room to give Aldridge the max. Their remaining line-up would be something like this.. Its also assuming they convince Beverly and McDaniels to not sign a contract with anyone else until its all done. They would have only the BAE (2.8 mil) I believe to add to this roster.

Beverly/?/?
Harden/McDaniels/?
?/?/?
LMA/Jones
Howard/Mot/Dorsey

Not the greatest team in the world either. So many holes such as the entire SF rotation...
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Post#143 » by Jsun947 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:07 pm

Wiz beat me to it. We were apparently writing at the same time.

I guess the point is none of the Texas teams can put together a great roster with Aldridge next season, and two of those teams are going to be losing almost all of its better players in the near future (Parker, Manu, Duncan, Dirk, etc) so its not a long term play.

It just feels like the best roster he can be on now, and within the next 5 years while getting a max deal is in Portland. If he leaves for Texas its purely because its his home state.
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Post#144 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:14 pm

Jsun947 wrote:If Houston can ditch Ariza, Prigioni, Capela, and Johnson for nothing, waive Kostas, and Brewer opts out they have enough room to give Aldridge the max. Their remaining line-up would be something like this.. Its also assuming they convince Beverly and McDaniels to not sign a contract with anyone else until its all done. They would have only the BAE (2.8 mil) I believe to add to this roster.

Beverly/?/?
Harden/McDaniels/?
?/?/?
LMA/Jones
Howard/Mot/Dorsey

Not the greatest team in the world either. So many holes such as the entire SF rotation...


they wouldn't have the BAE...they'd have to renounce it for the season to use cap-space. They would however have the room-MLE which is 2.8 million next season so maybe that's what you meant

Dumping all those players won't be that easy. The window of time to dump them would be small because they wouldn't do so till they knew for sure Aldridge was going to sign there so the window of making deals would probably only stretch from around the draft till the end of the moratorium.

I guess the point is none of the Texas teams can put together a great roster with Aldridge next season, and two of those teams are going to be losing almost all of its better players in the near future (Parker, Manu, Duncan, Dirk, etc) so its not a long term play.

It just feels like the best roster he can be on now, and within the next 5 years while getting a max deal is in Portland. If he leaves for Texas its purely because its his home state.


I've mentioned it before, but maybe it's worth repeating: keep an eye on Atlanta. They could let Millsap go and still have enough room to sign Aldridge while keeping just about their entire roster in tact, and that includes the 15th pick (brooklyn's)

an Aldridge/Horford front line would be good

of course, if I was Atlanta's GM, I'd be looking to make as big a push as possible in landing Marc Gasol. Add Gasol to that Atlanta team and they become a perennial contenders to come out of the east and win titles
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Re: Offseason of talk about LMA potentially leaving the Blazers 

Post#145 » by MakDagr » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:16 pm

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Jsun947 wrote:If Houston can ditch Ariza, Prigioni, Capela, and Johnson for nothing, waive Kostas, and Brewer opts out they have enough room to give Aldridge the max. Their remaining line-up would be something like this.. Its also assuming they convince Beverly and McDaniels to not sign a contract with anyone else until its all done. They would have only the BAE (2.8 mil) I believe to add to this roster.

Beverly/?/?
Harden/McDaniels/?
?/?/?
LMA/Jones
Howard/Mot/Dorsey

Not the greatest team in the world either. So many holes such as the entire SF rotation...


they wouldn't have the BAE...they'd have to renounce it for the season to use cap-space. They would however have the room-MLE which is 2.8 million next season so maybe that's what you meant

Dumping all those players won't be that easy. The window of time to dump them would be small because they wouldn't do so till they knew for sure Aldridge was going to sign there so the window of making deals would probably only stretch from around the draft till the end of the moratorium.


Wiz, I have a respect for your knowledge...and with what we know today/your guy feeling...What would your realistic offseason for the Blazers look like...with or without LA...
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Post#146 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:34 pm

one other thing about trading Aldridge:

maybe the most important asset the Blazers could get would be a large TPE (trade exception)

that then, loops back around to whether of not Portland would have any cap-space and if they'd work to use it. In order to have that cap-space, Portland would need to renounce the TPE. Since even in the best case they'd probably only have 6 or 7 million in space or so, maybe their best course of action would be to preserve the TPE and use the full MLE. Then, that TPE could be a real important asset around the trade deadline

it's too bad they used the BAE last summer on Blake. They can only use that once every other year
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Post#147 » by red96 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:03 pm

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Downtown wrote:Like everyone else I hope Aldridge decides to stay and accept the maximum contract offer. But I don't pretend to know a thing about which way he's leaning. And I think he would be making a mistake not to at least explore his options and listen to teams pitches in what they are prepared to do in order to lure him to their teams. Being a top tier free agent and having control in your own hands only comes around once or twice in a players career so you better take advantage of it.

But if we are discussing what would be the Blazers best options if he did tell them he's gone then I think some of the pieces Houston has are the best for Portland, more so than Dallas or San Antonio if Texas is indeed where Aldridge wants to move to. And although I don't know what kind of cap issues arise, I'm just going with players I think could work.

While none of these guys can give Portland what Aldridge does I think players such as Jones, who is underrated in my opinion, Capella, Montiejunas, and even KJ McDaniels, all would give the Blazers much better depth and some young potential, especially combined with McCollum and Leonard, both of whom have done enough lately to change my opinion of them as far as potential.


I think Portland's ability to get any value in a trade for LMA would be directly related to how close the other team could get to the cap-space to sign Aldridge outright, and how much they'd have to sacrifice to get there

Theoretically then, you're right, Houston would probably offer Portland the best opportunity for getting value back.

to start with, they'd have to sacrifice quite a bit to get anywhere close to the necessary space, and I'm not sure they could get there. Apparently, Corey brewer already declined his option

so, this would be their guaranteed salary picture:

Dwight Howard $22,359,364
James Harden $15,756,438
Trevor Ariza $8,193,030
Pablo Prigioni $1,734,572
Terrence Jones $2,489,530
Donatas Motiejunas $2,288,205
Clint Capela $1,242,720
Joey Dorsey $1,015,421
Nick Johnson $845,059

about 56 million. That's for only 9 players so add 3 roster charges bringing their 'payroll' to about 57.5 million. That would leave them about 9 million shy of the needed space.

and keep in mind, that does not account for the 18th pick in the draft (pelicans), or the cap-holds of Patrick Beverly and Josh Smith

obviously, a deal could get done if it was Ariza and Jones for Aldridge. That might even leave enough room for Houston to absorb Beverly's cap-hold. But I don't think the Blazers would have any interest in Ariza's long-term deal. I suppose they might if they were thinking they would cut loose from Batum either in trade or when his contract expires. Another option would be if a 3rd team with cap-space or an interesting player or two wanted Ariza and was willing to send picks and/or players to Portland

Ideally, if Aldridge wanted to go to Houston, the two teams could get an agreement in place early, before the draft, and that 18th pick would be part of the deal

or, if the Blazers, knowing Aldridge was leaving, were willing to play hardball with Lopez, they could ask for Motiejunas as a form of insurance is Lopez leaves. The problem with that, in my view, is that Lillard, Leonard, Jones, and Motiejunas would all be 4th year RFA's at the same time. That would be bad timing in terms of the cap, especially considering they'd all be getting new contracts under the parameters of the new TV deal and a 90 million salary cap

hell, maybe the Blazers could even include a trade of Blake for a re-signed Patrick Beverly although I'd expect Beverly will be a too high-priced backup

And because none of these players have big contracts(yet), it would still allow Olshey to go after and higher end power forward or centre in free agency to try and mitigate the loss of Aldridge.


you may be significantly overestimating the amount of cap-space Portland would have, especially if Afflalo doesn't opt-out. Portland would be at about 41 million in salary (including the 23rd pick), and the cap-holds of Matthews and Lopez would add 20 million. So that would leave around 6 million in space before accounting for any returning salary in an Aldridge trade. Portland could clear about 12 million in space by renouncing Lopez and waiving Kaman, but that would leave Leonard, Jones, and perhaps Motiejunas as the only bigs, and that's not even close to what the Blazers would need

But make no mistake, I'm still in the camp that wants to see the entire core back, plus a better perimeter defender sixth man type like Aflalo was supposed to be for them. But I'm also realistic that being able to keep all three of Aldridge, Mathews, and Lopez might be a difficult task for Olshey.


yeah, it's going to be a difficult task, but by god, that's the task Olshey has been pointing at for 3 off-seasons by deferring any significant bench-building. He's had some plan in place apparently, and if it starts by losing Aldridge to free agency, it will have been an unmitigated failure, unless somehow, he can turn water into wine

I'm rather pessimistic at this point. I did not like Aldridge's body language at all in this Memphis series. he looked kind of checked out. He wasn't moving like he usually does, but then, it can be hard to move normally with one foot out the door

Hello Blazers fans. Rockets fan here. I never paid much attention to Aldridge's uncoming free agency until a Rockets insider implied that the Rockets me make a run at him just off-season.

Imo, if LMA is deadset on leaving and was interested in joining the Rockets, I'd think the Rockets would prefer a S&T with Portland, where as both sides would benefit.

Here is an idea that I threw around in some other threads. I'd love to hear some Blazers fans feedback.


T Jones, Dmo, Papanikalaou, Prigioni, the player picked with the Pelicans pick, and the player picked with the Knicks pick (total $13.63m) for LMA S&T 2 year w/po at $17.3m in year 1. Next offseason LMA would resign to new super max for 4 yrs $132m. Those draft picks could be agreed apon for Portland before the draft.

The 6 players incoming would also help Portland fill their many roster slots. Dealing with Houston yields 4 assets, whereas teams such as the Spurs, Mavericks, Knicks, Lakers, ect. would give the Blazers nothing since they'd just sign LMA outright
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Re: Offseason of talk about LMA potentially leaving the Blazers 

Post#148 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:03 pm

MakDagr wrote:Wiz, I have a respect for your knowledge...and with what we know today/your guy feeling...What would your realistic offseason for the Blazers look like...with or without LA...


thanks for the kind words...I need them since GR is busy beating me with his 'I-told-you-so' 2 X 4 because of my skepticism on CJ

realistic off-season after re-signing Aldridge is pretty easy: re-sign Matthews and Lopez for decent contracts; pick up the 2nd year of Kaman's deal; strike gold with the 23rd pick (ok, maybe that's a little unrealistic);

use the MLE on a backup wing/stretch-4, somebody with good size who plays physical and can handle the ball pretty well. Guys I'd consider:

DeMarre Carroll
Jonas Jerebko
Alan Anderson
Al-Farouq Aminu
Corey Brewer
Wesley Johnson

then fill out the roster with vet minimum types although if Freeland would sign cheap, that would be fine

that's what I would do, but my guess would be that Olshey does nothing to bring in any player that could jeopardize playing time for CJ and Leonard. I still think, especially with Wright gone, Portland will need a guy who can slide between SF and stretch-4
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if Aldridge doesn't re-sign?

yikes to the nth power!

fire Olshey for allowing it to get to that point? fire Stotts for fear of what he'd do to the offense and defense without Aldridge to rely on? yeah, I know neither is realistic but at the same time, Paul Allen has a habit of turning on employees suddenly

other then that, I can't decide which way Portland should go. Should they cut loose Lopez as well and put Batum on the trade block? Should they assemble a bare bones team so as to maximize the odds of keeping their draft pick next season? Should they keep their powder dry on the cap-space front and wait for the huge jump in the salary cap in 2016?

I'm not a big fan of portland planning on using cap-space to land top level free agents. I don't think they could land any. They can't even land a player the caliber of Spenser Hawes

maybe the best would be for them to try and assemble as many assets as possible and look for trade opportunities.
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Post#149 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:12 pm

red96 wrote:Hello Blazers fans. Rockets fan here. I never paid much attention to Aldridge's uncoming free agency until a Rockets insider implied that the Rockets me make a run at him just off-season.

Imo, if LMA is deadset on leaving and was interested in joining the Rockets, I'd think the Rockets would prefer a S&T with Portland, where as both sides would benefit.

Here is an idea that I threw around in some other threads. I'd love to hear some Blazers fans feedback.


T Jones, Dmo, Papanikalaou, Prigioni, the player picked with the Pelicans pick, and the player picked with the Knicks pick (total $13.63m) for LMA S&T 2 year w/po at $17.3m in year 1. Next offseason LMA would resign to new super max for 4 yrs $132m. Those draft picks could be agreed apon for Portland before the draft. The 6 players incoming would also help Portland fill their many roster slots.


hey there red...thanks for playing... :wink:

first off, drop Papanikalaou from the trade. Portland wouldn't accept him and Houston can just waive him and clear the space

I also don't think Portland would have any interest in Prigioni. I don't know if he'd have to be included in order to make the trade work, but if so, try and find a 3rd team or be willing to take back Steve Blake (which would be about the 17th time the Blazers traded Blake... :) )

(also, just so people know, portland would be getting the 18th and 32nd picks)

as for the rest of the deal, it may be the best portland could expect, although I'd like Houston to give back the future 2nd Portland owes them
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Post#150 » by red96 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:43 pm

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red96 wrote:Hello Blazers fans. Rockets fan here. I never paid much attention to Aldridge's uncoming free agency until a Rockets insider implied that the Rockets me make a run at him just off-season.

Imo, if LMA is deadset on leaving and was interested in joining the Rockets, I'd think the Rockets would prefer a S&T with Portland, where as both sides would benefit.

Here is an idea that I threw around in some other threads. I'd love to hear some Blazers fans feedback.


T Jones, Dmo, Papanikalaou, Prigioni, the player picked with the Pelicans pick, and the player picked with the Knicks pick (total $13.63m) for LMA S&T 2 year w/po at $17.3m in year 1. Next offseason LMA would resign to new super max for 4 yrs $132m. Those draft picks could be agreed apon for Portland before the draft. The 6 players incoming would also help Portland fill their many roster slots.


hey there red...thanks for playing... :wink:

first off, drop Papanikalaou from the trade. Portland wouldn't accept him and Houston can just waive him and clear the space

I also don't think Portland would have any interest in Prigioni. I don't know if he'd have to be included in order to make the trade work, but if so, try and find a 3rd team or be willing to take back Steve Blake (which would be about the 17th time the Blazers traded Blake... :) )

(also, just so people know, portland would be getting the 18th and 32nd picks)

as for the rest of the deal, it may be the best portland could expect, although I'd like Houston to give back the future 2nd Portland owes them
What's the big problems about Prigioni (1.7m) and Papa (4.8m)? They're both expiring contracts and can be a bit useful off the bench. They were both added to make the numbers match. I know Portland would probably be looking at rebuilding without LMA, but those 2 don't prevent the Blazers from proceding with that plan. Those 2 have neutral value and they help fill the many roster spots the Blazers have.
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Post#151 » by The Sebastian Express » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:44 pm

I just can't see him going to Houston. And that's nothing against Houston. He would be the third player there behind Dwight (regardless of what anyone says Dwight would be considered ahead of him). Unless he drastically changes his wants to be the man/wants to be fully appreciated/the focus point line of thinking. I honestly believe that the worst case scenario is a one year contract and he waits until next year to go through it all again with a much bigger salary cap.

The only team I fear is the Spurs, but again.. he would be behind Leonard and he'll never surpass Duncan in terms of legacy there. He will always play in the shadow of Duncan.
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Post#152 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:06 pm

red96 wrote:What's the big problems about Prigioni (1.7m) and Papa (4.8m)? They're both expiring contracts and can be a bit useful off the bench. They were both added to make the numbers match. I know Portland would probably be looking at rebuilding without LMA, but those 2 don't prevent the Blazers from proceding with that plan. Those 2 have neutral value and they help fill the many roster spots the Blazers have.


the problem is that one asset the Blazers would really want is a large TPE, and both those players would reduce the size of the TPE

for Houston, it does not matter a bit if they trade Papanikalaou or waive him prior to the deal. Whether it's salary or the cap-space created by waiving him, the Rockets would still get the same trade credit, so there's no reason to include him

Prigioni is less of a problem but only TPE-wise, but only because he has less of a salary. That would leave the Blazers with 4 PG's and that's one too many. If some team was willing to take him instead, then that's better
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Post#153 » by Ripcity4life » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:10 pm

Wiz in your last post you said if LMA walks Olshey should be fired ?? Is this correct ?

IF you did not then ignore the rest of this post but if you did -- read on --- LOL

I totally disagree with you cause olshey wanted to get a deal done last year but LMA did not and wanted to wait so it's not olshey's fault. Truth is IF LMA does not resign then i start to think LMA was playing us the whole time and wanted to leave all along.
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Post#154 » by The Sebastian Express » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:20 pm

Ripcity4life wrote:Wiz in your last post you said if LMA walks Olshey should be fired ?? Is this correct ?

IF you did not then ignore the rest of this post but if you did -- read on --- LOL

I totally disagree with you cause olshey wanted to get a deal done last year but LMA did not and wanted to wait so it's not olshey's fault. Truth is IF LMA does not resign then i start to think LMA was playing us the whole time and wanted to leave all along.


There's really nothing LOL worthy about what Wiz said, IMO. Olshey has spent two summers doing minimal work on free agency (outside of the big offer to Hawes) in hopes of remaining cap flexibility for this summer to work around LMA and maybe adding different pieces. If his two years of limited bench have pushed LMA out the door, then yes, it is his fault and he should be held accountable. His plan means nothing if the centerpiece of that plan - LaMarcus - is not here.
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Post#155 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:29 pm

yeah...what SBE said, although I'd maintain it was 3 off-seasons of dumpster diving for a bench, rather then 2
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Re: Offseason of talk about LMA potentially leaving the Blazers 

Post#156 » by JasonStern » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:42 pm

Jsun947 wrote:Something we haven't talked about much is Portland's salary if Aldridge does sign a max deal...

Batum 11860750
Lillard 4236286
McCollum 2525160
Leonard 3075879
Crabbe 947276
Aldridge 18700000
Total 41345351

What happens if we can resign Matthews on the cheap short term to see how he rehabs and we can still go after a big time FA like Gasol or Jordan in FA.


why would Gasol or Jordan sign with that roster?

at least target Greg Monroe. at 24, he's young enough to develop with Lillard.


Jsun947 wrote:If Houston can ditch Ariza, Prigioni, Capela, and Johnson for nothing, waive Kostas, and Brewer opts out they have enough room to give Aldridge the max. Their remaining line-up would be something like this.. Its also assuming they convince Beverly and McDaniels to not sign a contract with anyone else until its all done. They would have only the BAE (2.8 mil) I believe to add to this roster.

Beverly/?/?
Harden/McDaniels/?
?/?/?
LMA/Jones
Howard/Mot/Dorsey


so Aldridge complained about being option #3 behind Roy and Oden, played multiple seasons with the worst bench in the league, then leaves Portland to be option #3 behind Harden and Howard, likely playing at least one season with the worst bench in the league?


Wizenheimer wrote:one other thing about trading Aldridge:

maybe the most important asset the Blazers could get would be a large TPE (trade exception)


which is why some of the proposed sign-and-trade deals are jokes. why take back Taj Gibson and field an overly expensive lottery team next season?


Ripcity4life wrote:Wiz in your last post you said if LMA walks Olshey should be fired ?? Is this correct ?

IF you did not then ignore the rest of this post but if you did -- read on --- LOL

I totally disagree with you cause olshey wanted to get a deal done last year but LMA did not and wanted to wait so it's not olshey's fault.


Olshey came into Portland with an all-NBA power forward, two lottery picks, max cap space, and solid complimentary pieces in Batum and Matthews. three seasons later, he's produced a capped out team that got blown out in 3 out of 5 playoff games and now owes a future 1st and like a dozen 2nd round picks. can you really blame Aldridge if he wants to win doesn't see that happening anytime soon in Portland?
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Re: Offseason of talk about LMA potentially leaving the Blazers 

Post#157 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:57 pm

one thought about the mini-apocalypse if Aldridge leaves:

I really don't think the odds are high that Portland will get anything in trade...

...unless, Aldridge wants to sign with some team for a yea, then 'resign' in 2016 when he's a 10 year vet and the cap is 23 million higher (setting aside if the new team would place that much value on him)...

in that case, just signing as a free agent is a problem because the new team would not own Bird rights. Even a 2 year deal would only secure early-bird rights, so, in order to give Aldridge a big deal, that new team would need full bird rights (unless they were scheduled to have gigantic cap-space in 2016 or 2017...very unlikely with Aldridge's cap-hold)

the only way they could get those full bird rights is if Aldridge signed a 1 year deal in Portland, so it's possible Portland could come out of it with a 18-19 million trade exception and maybe even a future 2nd round pick. Not much for losing the franchise player, but at this stage, much better then nothing
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Re: Offseason of talk about LMA potentially leaving the Blazers 

Post#158 » by Ripcity4life » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:01 pm

I was not laughing at Wiz -- i was saying if i misunderstood his post then my bad and added a LOL -- maybe the LOL was in the wrong place.

However WTH -- when did Wiz need defending he is a big boy if he has a problem with something i say then he needs to say something.

Also when did LOL become this great insult -- i cannot say anything without getting dinged

I know i have had issues with Wiz in the past but to be honest while we disagree on some things here and there i have come to respect his opinion and him as a poster.

There is only one poster i have no respect for and we all know who that is since we were at war only a few weeks ago.
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Re: Offseason of talk about LMA potentially leaving the Blazers 

Post#159 » by tester551 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:03 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:one thought about the mini-apocalypse if Aldridge leaves:

I really don't think the odds are high that Portland will get anything in trade...

...unless, Aldridge wants to sign with some team for a yea, then 'resign' in 2016 when he's a 10 year vet and the cap is 23 million higher (setting aside if the new team would place that much value on him)...

in that case, just signing as a free agent is a problem because the new team would not own Bird rights. Even a 2 year deal would only secure early-bird rights, so, in order to give Aldridge a big deal, that new team would need full bird rights (unless they were scheduled to have gigantic cap-space in 2016 or 2017...very unlikely with Aldridge's cap-hold)

the only way they could get those full bird rights is if Aldridge signed a 1 year deal in Portland, so it's possible Portland could come out of it with a 18-19 million trade exception and maybe even a future 2nd round pick. Not much for losing the franchise player, but at this stage, much better then nothing

This is the only leverage Portland has. At this point, I think Olshey needs to convince LMA to sign a 1 yr deal & promise to deal him by the trade deadline to one of his "selected" teams.
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Re: Offseason of talk about LMA potentially leaving the Blazers 

Post#160 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:16 pm

Ripcity4life wrote:I was not laughing at Wiz -- i was saying if i misunderstood his post then my bad and added a LOL -- maybe the LOL was in the wrong place.

However WTH -- when did Wiz need defending he is a big boy if he has a problem with something i say then he needs to say something..


I don't have a problem with what you said

you'll notice in that post, I framed that as a question, not a statement, and it was in the context of what Paul Allen might do. I'd classify letting Aldridge escape as a failure on Olshey's part, mainly because almost everything Olshey has done to this point seems to have been based upon this coming off-season. And it's clear that Olshey counted on re-signing Aldridge, otherwise we would have heard a lot more trade rumors, IMO

and I think it's legitimate to wonder about Paul Allen's reaction and his habit of turning suddenly against a GM. if you don't agree, just ask Rich Cho

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