Win now trade idea thread (Build around Dame!!)

[BlazersBroncos]

If I'm Cronin - I make a Best & Final offer right now.
The offer is Grant for Keon + Bledsoe + Buck '25 pick. Detroit can have until June 15th - otherwise we're going another direction.

Pistons fan here. There is no way Weaver will take that deal. Dead in the water. All that extra salary, for that pick? Weaver wanted two firsts for Grant, and refused to move him at the deadline when he didn't get what he wanted.

All that salary? Bledsoe’s final year is only partially guaranteed for 2 or 3 mil. So he’s essentially expiring and the pistons would get Johnson and whatever that 2025 pick turns out to be.

Not saying that he would still do that deal, but figured you might not have all the information based on your reaction.

FWIW, I still fully expect the Blazers to move 7 for Grant unfortunately. I think it’s a pretty dumb trade considering trading for Grant also means paying his soon to be overpriced extension, but Grant and Dame are close so if Dame wants it, it’ll happen, regardless of any “final offers” fans here want.

I think the Blazers plan this summer is to try and get Grant and Ayton both. 7 pick isn’t really in place for Ayton given the timing of the draft and FA. So I think they’re gonna try and move Grant for 7 (deal agreed to on draft but not completed until after so the Blazers “technically” make the pick), then try and work a double S&T of Ayton for Nurkic and package the Blazers 2023 FRP, a pick swap in 2024 and the Bucks 2025.

That offseason would set this team back 5 years. We should all pray your wrong. It’s a 5 seed with no future, no picks and a traditional non-generational, non shooting, non elite defender C getting paid 12M+ more than he should (As Ayton will demand the MAX)

[Case2012]

I feel like there has to be a realistic avenue to bring control of our pick back from Chicago. Olshey (and probably Cronin) fd us so hard, it's insane.

I tried suggesting trading the Milwaukee pick for the rights to our pick back and it got poo pood pretty fast. I can understand that. It's basically trading CJ for Hart and our own picks.. oof. Plus Chicago can bend us over again having that kind of leverage over us knowing our plans. But if we want to make all in moves as Cronin says he does, getting control of that pick back THIS summer is pretty important.

[Dame Lizard]

Pistons fan here. There is no way Weaver will take that deal. Dead in the water. All that extra salary, for that pick? Weaver wanted two firsts for Grant, and refused to move him at the deadline when he didn't get what he wanted.

All that salary? Bledsoe’s final year is only partially guaranteed for 2 or 3 mil. So he’s essentially expiring and the pistons would get Johnson and whatever that 2025 pick turns out to be.

Not saying that he would still do that deal, but figured you might not have all the information based on your reaction.

FWIW, I still fully expect the Blazers to move 7 for Grant unfortunately. I think it’s a pretty dumb trade considering trading for Grant also means paying his soon to be overpriced extension, but Grant and Dame are close so if Dame wants it, it’ll happen, regardless of any “final offers” fans here want.

I think the Blazers plan this summer is to try and get Grant and Ayton both. 7 pick isn’t really in place for Ayton given the timing of the draft and FA. So I think they’re gonna try and move Grant for 7 (deal agreed to on draft but not completed until after so the Blazers “technically” make the pick), then try and work a double S&T of Ayton for Nurkic and package the Blazers 2023 FRP, a pick swap in 2024 and the Bucks 2025.

That offseason would set this team back 5 years. We should all pray your wrong. It’s a 5 seed with no future, no picks and a traditional non-generational, non shooting, non elite defender C getting paid 12M+ more than he should (As Ayton will demand the MAX)

Agreed. I can't emphasise enough how much I don't want us to trade #7 for Grant. There's no way he's worth it.

If we can do the deal with Charlotte, and trade either #13 + a future 2nd, or 2025 MIL first + 2 or 3 future seconds, I'd be ok with that. I still don't think I'd want that, but would tolerate it if it's Fait Accompli.

[BlazersBroncos]

Pure win-now offseason

Bledsoe, Little for Love
TPE, 7 out for Grant, 15 (3-way w/ DET + CHA)
TP MLE - Nicolas Batum
15 - Ochai Agbaji GF
36 - Christian Koloko C

G - Damian Lillard (34) / Anfernee Simons (14)
G - Anfernee Simons (18) / Josh Hart (30) / Keon Johnson
F - Nicolas Batum (24) / Ochai Agbaji (24) / Justice Winslow / Greg Brown
F - Jerami Grant (30) / Kevin Love (12) / Justice Winslow
C - Jusuf Nurkic (28) / Kevin Love (12) / Christian Koloko (12) / Trendon Watford

[Bigpoppapomp82]

Pure win-now offseason

Bledsoe, Little for Love
TPE, 7 out for Grant, 15 (3-way w/ DET + CHA)
TP MLE - Nicolas Batum
15 - Ochai Agbaji GF
36 - Christian Koloko C

G - Damian Lillard (34) / Anfernee Simons (14)
G - Anfernee Simons (18) / Josh Hart (30) / Keon Johnson
F - Nicolas Batum (24) / Ochai Agbaji (24) / Justice Winslow / Greg Brown
F - Jerami Grant (30) / Kevin Love (12) / Justice Winslow
C - Jusuf Nurkic (28) / Kevin Love (12) / Christian Koloko (12) / Trendon Watford

Make it Sochan or Eason at #15 and I am in on this plan for sure - I want them to swing for the fences and bring in a long 3 that has upside and lots of defensive skills. Eason doesn't excite me on Offense in terms of shooting but his run down defense is awesome and he plays the passing lanes well and would be a lob threat. Sochan's versatility is what intrigues me the most he can legit guard all 5 positions in my opinion. Reminds me of a more aggressive Batum minus the ability to shoot the 3 ball. Koloko is a great backup 5. Also would still have the BAE left to fill any gaps. I would prefer not to have Grant (Bring in a starting Caliber SF & let Love play the 4 and
do NOT bring back Nurk (S&T).

Dame / Bwill
Simons / Hart / Keon
Barnes, Kuzma, Kyle Anderson / Sochan or Eason
Love / Thicklaus Batum / Watford
Mark Williams / Koloko / Eubanks

That gives you 7 guys who can play multiple positions who are mostly 3's & 4's which we desperately need on this team.

Williams / Koloko can learn from Love/ Batum - Sochan/Eason - Can also learn from your starting 3/ Batum and Hart potentially to bring them up to speed quicker. Also under Chauncey I think these guys all flourish.

[BlazersBroncos]

Make it Sochan or Eason at #15 and I am in on this plan for sure

I think both are gone by #15.

The idea w/ Ochai is ready to contribute immediatley, which fits with the idea that we are trying to win now w/ Dame. He may max out as a smarter Malik Beasley, but he is going to be able to get 12ppg off the bat IMO. And there is the pivot that if we move Dame we can slide Ochai to SG and start Ant at PG.

I dont think he has star upside, but I see little bust potential in Ochai and he is one of the most ready to play guys in this league. Plus athleticism, great shooter, etc. I think he can play spot minutes as a designated shooter at SF as 6'6, 6'10 WS, near 220lbs isnt that undersized. IDK, just seems like a guy to target if you want a contributor off the bat. Dont think 12-15ppg as a rookie is out of the question for him, as he can likely get 6-9 off open 3PT shots alone IMO.

[Blazers98]

What do you all think of trading for Christian Wood? My thinking is he has one year on his contract and let's face it, we will most probably go into the year with the idea of retooling around Dame and then seeing how it pans out. If he works-great. If he doesn't, then he is off the books or a sign and trade could be had. I read an article about Houston maybe being on the market to offload him due to rebuilding, having Sengun as their center of the future, and most likely drafting a PF in the draft this year. Any ideas on what assets to trade in order to get him?

[Case2012]

I wonder how many wcf appearances the blazers would have now if we had traded cj and 4 firsts for Jimmy buckets in 2017 when that deal was on the table? (per Haynes in a Twitter space)

2 guys with insane clutch and Jordan/Kobe level competitiveness... I think we could've given the warriors a run for their money.

[Goldbum]

If we trade the pick: How about
2 PART Trade
#7 TPE
4
OG
Follow up
Keon
4
Precious Achiuwa
Then:
Bledsoe + Bucks 25+ Nas(I don't want to trade little at all)
4
Jerami Grant

[tester551]

If we trade the pick: How about
2 PART Trade
#7 TPE
4
OG
Follow up
Keon
4
Precious Achiuwa
Then:
Bledsoe + Bucks 25+ Nas(I don't want to trade little at all)
4
Jerami Grant

If we get OG & Precious - there is no need for Grant.

I'd say pick 2 of the 3 trades proposed here

[Godaddycurse]

If we trade the pick: How about
2 PART Trade
#7 TPE
4
OG
Follow up
Keon
4
Precious Achiuwa
Then:
Bledsoe + Bucks 25+ Nas(I don't want to trade little at all)
4
Jerami Grant

If we get OG & Precious - there is no need for Grant.

I'd say pick 2 of the 3 trades proposed here

Raptors wouldnt be interested in either trade. We are not resetting/gutting our team after making the playoffs post tampa tank. Esp not trading our 2 younger building blocks

[Blazers98]

Would love to get Anunoby.
He fits for retooling with Dame and fits in with any rebuild if the retool doesn't work and the Blazers blow it up.
He is already a decent/good two way player and has the potential to become a good/great two way player.
According to articles he might not be happy with his situation and Toronto has Barnes/Siakam.

I highly prefer OG to Grant.

[Dame Lizard]

Would love to get Anunoby.
He fits for retooling with Dame and fits in with any rebuild if the retool doesn't work and the Blazers blow it up.
He is already a decent/good two way player and has the potential to become a good/great two way player.
According to articles he might not be happy with his situation and Toronto has Barnes/Siakam.

I highly prefer OG to Grant.

Me too, I'd prefer OG over Grant in a heartbeat.

[monopoman]

I think most would prefer OG to Grant, and I really doubt we try to get both if we get one or the other.

[BlazersBroncos]

I don’t see what Toronto would take outside 7 for OG, where I think Grant can cost less.

Same cost, easily OG. But I think there is a big cost differential. The ideal off-season is finding a way to get a Grant while keeping 7, then ideally use Bledsoe for another F while not attaching assets IMO. Not sure who, maybe BB if Utah rebuilds.

But keeping 7 for a guy who can fit win now and future building is big.

[monopoman]

I don’t see what Toronto would take outside 7 for OG, where I think Grant can cost less.

Same cost, easily OG. But I think there is a big cost differential. The ideal off-season is finding a way to get a Grant while keeping 7, then ideally use Bledsoe for another F while not attaching assets IMO. Not sure who, maybe BB if Utah rebuilds.

But keeping 7 for a guy who can fit win now and future building is big.

OG might be worth the 7th pick, the 7th pick has a higher upside if we nail the right pick but that is not a sure thing. Even the teams with the best draft track record since say 2010 don't always nail the right pick. They might have a good track record of getting at least a reasonable player but it's much harder to find the best player that hasn't already been drafted.

We might also see a situation where the Blazers want to use the pick if the guy they want falls to 7 and if he doesn't they have a trade setup in advance to trade it away.

[BlazersBroncos]

I don’t see what Toronto would take outside 7 for OG, where I think Grant can cost less.

Same cost, easily OG. But I think there is a big cost differential. The ideal off-season is finding a way to get a Grant while keeping 7, then ideally use Bledsoe for another F while not attaching assets IMO. Not sure who, maybe BB if Utah rebuilds.

But keeping 7 for a guy who can fit win now and future building is big.

OG might be worth the 7th pick, the 7th pick has a higher upside if we nail the right pick but that is not a sure thing. Even the teams with the best draft track record since say 2010 don't always nail the right pick. They might have a good track record of getting at least a reasonable player but it's much harder to find the best player that hasn't already been drafted.

We might also see a situation where the Blazers want to use the pick if the guy they want falls to 7 and if he doesn't they have a trade setup in advance to trade it away.

I agree the 7th isnt guaranteed to be better than OG, but I also think OG is on that level Grant is where he is an elite 4th option (Better than Grant) but not good enough to move the needle much. He is about to turn 25 and its very likely that he never develops the handle to really become more than the elite 3/D guy he is. 2.5 FTA in 36mpg is pretty telling of the type of guy OG is, a great complimentary piece that relies on others to 'get his'. I want a guy that can at minimum be an average #3 offensive option if we move #7, and I dont think OG fits that mold.

I would try to cobble something together for Grant (TPE, 2 of Little / Keon / MIL25) over moving 7 for OG.

[BlazersBroncos]

Another 'bored at work this seems reasonable' offseason plan:

TRADE 1

Portland Trades
Eric Bledsoe G
Keon Johnson G
#36
MIL 25 FRP

Detroit Trades
Jerami Grant F

TRADE 2

Portland Trades
TPE
Future NO SRP

San Antonio Trades
Doug McDermott F
#25


NBA DRAFT
7 – Dyson Daniels GF
25 – EJ Liddell FC
59 – Mouhamed Gueye C

G – Damian Lillard (34) / Anfernee Simons (14)
G – Anfernee Simons (18) / Josh Hart (30)
F – Dyson Daniels (24) / Nas Little (24)
F – Jerami Grant (30) / Doug McDermott (18)
C – Jusuf Nurkic (28) / EJ Liddell (20)

Deep Dench – Brandon Williams G / Greg Brown F / Justice Winslow F / Trendon Watford FC / Mouhamed Gueye C

[Case2012]

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[Dame Lizard]

Another 'bored at work this seems reasonable' offseason plan:

TRADE 1

Portland Trades
Eric Bledsoe G
Keon Johnson G
#36
MIL 25 FRP

Detroit Trades
Jerami Grant F

TRADE 2

Portland Trades
TPE
Future NO SRP

San Antonio Trades
Doug McDermott F
#25


NBA DRAFT
7 – Dyson Daniels GF
25 – EJ Liddell FC
59 – Mouhamed Gueye C

G – Damian Lillard (34) / Anfernee Simons (14)
G – Anfernee Simons (18) / Josh Hart (30)
F – Dyson Daniels (24) / Nas Little (24)
F – Jerami Grant (30) / Doug McDermott (18)
C – Jusuf Nurkic (28) / EJ Liddell (20)

Deep Dench – Brandon Williams G / Greg Brown F / Justice Winslow F / Trendon Watford FC / Mouhamed Gueye C

I doubt the Spurs make that trade. They pride themselves on finding diamonds in the rough in the Draft.

I really hope that's all we offer for Grant. It's a pretty decent package to be honest. The downside is it's a lot of bronze pieces instead of one silver one.