Dame requests a trade.

[VaDe255]

Barry Jackson, Anthony Chiang, Ethan Skolnick are all reporting the same thing.
The Heat made an offer and are waiting on the Blazers to engage in trade talks.?

What was publicly reported early in the process was the Blazers wanted 4 firsts and 2 quality players. I’d say that’s the general roadmap. And they may not get it, but that’s a decent gauge on the initial ask. Obviously we don’t really know what exactly has been communicated between the organizations.

Miami only has 2 draft picks instead of 4, and those picks are 5 & 7 years away. They are offering no quality players except Herro and Portland has made if clear they aren't interested in him, mainly because they have a similar player at 7M/year less

in other words, why the fk would Portland engage in trade talks with Miami when they can clearly see Miami, even if they maxed their offer, doesn't have enough assets? And we have a lot of indications that Riley has not come close to a max offer; instead he has been low-balling the Blazers

Pat Riley has been 'leaking' malarkey to the media for 3 months now, and that includes the 3 people you mentioned. And I'd bet that the Portland front office is as convinced as I am that Riley was at least partly responsible for the scorched earth tactic's Dame's agent used in the first 10 days of this saga.

Pat Riley can go pound sand; Heat fans can go pound sand; you can go pound sand. And I'd bet Portland's front office shares those sentiments

What you want picks next year? Like picks that have the lowest value and are in the 20+ range?
Where ever you trade Dame he makes the team better.
In this case you are aiming to get picks/swaps in those 4 years 27,28,29,30, these are the most valuable and can get you into the lottery.

[Brandon-Clyde]

Barry Jackson, Anthony Chiang, Ethan Skolnick are all reporting the same thing.
The Heat made an offer and are waiting on the Blazers to engage in trade talks.?

What was publicly reported early in the process was the Blazers wanted 4 firsts and 2 quality players. I’d say that’s the general roadmap. And they may not get it, but that’s a decent gauge on the initial ask. Obviously we don’t really know what exactly has been communicated between the organizations.

Miami only has 2 draft picks instead of 4, and those picks are 5 & 7 years away. They are offering no quality players except Herro and Portland has made if clear they aren't interested in him, mainly because they have a similar player at 7M/year less

in other words, why the fk would Portland engage in trade talks with Miami when they can clearly see Miami, even if they maxed their offer, doesn't have enough assets? And we have a lot of indications that Riley has not come close to a max offer; instead he has been low-balling the Blazers

Pat Riley has been 'leaking' malarkey to the media for 3 months now, and that includes the 3 people you mentioned. And I'd bet that the Portland front office is as convinced as I am that Riley was at least partly responsible for the scorched earth tactic's Dame's agent used in the first 10 days of this saga.

Pat Riley can go pound sand; Heat fans can go pound sand; you can go pound sand. And I'd bet Portland's front office shares those sentiments

What you want picks next year? Like picks that have the lowest value and are in the 20+ range?
Where ever you trade Dame he makes the team better.
In this case you are aiming to get picks/swaps in those 4 years 27,28,29,30, these are the most valuable and can get you into the lottery.

You don't seem to understand. Portland wants 4 guaranteed firsts not 2 guaranteed and two swaps. That's the deal. Portland might ask for the swaps in ADDITION to the FOUR guaranteed firsts or they might ask for all of Miami's second in ADDITION to the FOUR guaranteed firsts but it is FOUR GUARANTEED FIRSTS. Do I need to repeat myself or is it sinking in finally?

[VaDe255]

Miami only has 2 draft picks instead of 4, and those picks are 5 & 7 years away. They are offering no quality players except Herro and Portland has made if clear they aren't interested in him, mainly because they have a similar player at 7M/year less

in other words, why the fk would Portland engage in trade talks with Miami when they can clearly see Miami, even if they maxed their offer, doesn't have enough assets? And we have a lot of indications that Riley has not come close to a max offer; instead he has been low-balling the Blazers

Pat Riley has been 'leaking' malarkey to the media for 3 months now, and that includes the 3 people you mentioned. And I'd bet that the Portland front office is as convinced as I am that Riley was at least partly responsible for the scorched earth tactic's Dame's agent used in the first 10 days of this saga.

Pat Riley can go pound sand; Heat fans can go pound sand; you can go pound sand. And I'd bet Portland's front office shares those sentiments

What you want picks next year? Like picks that have the lowest value and are in the 20+ range?
Where ever you trade Dame he makes the team better.
In this case you are aiming to get picks/swaps in those 4 years 27,28,29,30, these are the most valuable and can get you into the lottery.

You don't seem to understand. Portland wants 4 guaranteed firsts not 2 guaranteed and two swaps. That's the deal. Portland might ask for the swaps in ADDITION to the FOUR guaranteed firsts or they might ask for all of Miami's second in ADDITION to the FOUR guaranteed firsts but it is FOUR GUARANTEED FIRSTS. Do I need to repeat myself or is it sinking in finally?

Thank you, after reading it in caps it really helped me understand, normal text just doesn't do it for me anymore.

[Brandon-Clyde]

What you want picks next year? Like picks that have the lowest value and are in the 20+ range?
Where ever you trade Dame he makes the team better.
In this case you are aiming to get picks/swaps in those 4 years 27,28,29,30, these are the most valuable and can get you into the lottery.

You don't seem to understand. Portland wants 4 guaranteed firsts not 2 guaranteed and two swaps. That's the deal. Portland might ask for the swaps in ADDITION to the FOUR guaranteed firsts or they might ask for all of Miami's second in ADDITION to the FOUR guaranteed firsts but it is FOUR GUARANTEED FIRSTS. Do I need to repeat myself or is it sinking in finally?

Thank you, after reading it in caps it really helped me understand, normal text just doesn't do it for me anymore.

I and many other Blazer posters have explained it to you multiple times but you don't seem to understand so I thought a little emphasis was needed. Maybe if you paid attention to what everyone on this board has told you shouting wouldn't be necessary.

[BlazersBroncos]

2 FRP 5 years + out and a few swaps is less than what Dejounte Murray netted the Spurs. Its a laughably bad offer for a player of Dame's caliber.

He will stay a Blazer if that is the best offer.

[Dame Lizard]

Does anybody think that Dame's latest Instagram post is a shameless Heat reference. The cap isn't subtle.

He's becoming an audacious clown with these antics.

[Butter]

Does anybody think that Dame's latest Instagram post is a shameless Heat reference. The cap isn't subtle.

He's becoming an audacious clown with these antics.

Cronin should just trade him to the highest bidder. Done deal

[tester551]

Does anybody think that Dame's latest Instagram post is a shameless Heat reference. The cap isn't subtle.

He's becoming an audacious clown with these antics.

Can someone please summarize?
I can't seem to see anything on istagram without creating an account... which I refuse to do.

[IceColdCubano]

Does anybody think that Dame's latest Instagram post is a shameless Heat reference. The cap isn't subtle.

He's becoming an audacious clown with these antics.

Cronin should just trade him to the highest bidder. Done deal

Agreed, highest bidder it is.

[Brandon-Clyde]

Does anybody think that Dame's latest Instagram post is a shameless Heat reference. The cap isn't subtle.

He's becoming an audacious clown with these antics.

Cronin should just trade him to the highest bidder. Done deal

Agreed, highest bidder it is.

Sir there is a minimum reserve on bids and I am afraid your team has not reached that amount. I suggest you leave until your team can reach that minimum reserve bid

[zzaj]

They certainly are acting like they are happy to just keep Dame.

According to Skolnick of 5RSN and the people he talked to close to the Heat organization:

The Heat made some offer and asked on a roadmap on how to get the deal done.
Blazers so far haven't given them one and don't act interested in real trade talks.
The Heat are just planning to go into season with what they have and keep a door open for Blazers to re-engage.
Heat are not randomly trying to trade or dangle their players around the league to up their offer and bid against themselves when they don't know what the Blazers want and how to get the deal done.

Difficult to trade for someone when you don't know the asking price

Again with the treating empty reporting as gospel. If you're going to do that, don't post it here...post it in your echochamber. We're smart enough to know that this means absolutely nothing. And I'm asking you frankly...why would you come to our forum and post veiled shots at the Blazers organization? If you want anybody here to take you even remotely seriously? That ain't it.

We wouldn't go to your forum and continually take shots at your organization. ESPECIALLY, if your organization was about to lose it's (arguably) best player in franchise history. It's disrespectful. So stop please. We don't need your "reporting" here on everything you think is important.

The Miami Heat don't want Lillard enough to make an offer (or do the legwork) that satisfies the Blazers' asking price. That's what is obvious, and that's all ANYBODY knows outside of Riley, Cronin, Goodwin and Lillard. Until we hear something from one of those 4? Everything should be taken with a tiny grain of salt.

Barry Jackson, Anthony Chiang, Ethan Skolnick (all reporters with sources inside the Heat organization) are all reporting the same thing.
The Heat made an offer and are waiting on the Blazers to engage in trade talks.

I gave the perspective of the Heat organization and what is happening there and you somehow are implying I am taking shots at the Blazers. Where exactly did I do that?

Sigh, I just noticed you have only been on here for a few months. You're probably 12 years old...I should probably just block you because your posts are annoying to everyone here.

That part in bold? Prove it.

And I don't mean links to reports coming from Miami "journalists" or even Portland "journalists" for that matter...those reports have zero validity. Your opinion means nothing here and you're not contributing anything useful to this thread because YOU DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW MIAMI'S POSITION. Just like we don't actually know Portland's. We are not interested in Miami fans regurgitating the same stuff we all can see by opening a laptop.

You've had multiple people tell you that we reject your perspective, so what more do you have to try and prove by deciding to post here on the Blazer forum? Get it out of your system now before I block you.

[VaDe255]

Again with the treating empty reporting as gospel. If you're going to do that, don't post it here...post it in your echochamber. We're smart enough to know that this means absolutely nothing. And I'm asking you frankly...why would you come to our forum and post veiled shots at the Blazers organization? If you want anybody here to take you even remotely seriously? That ain't it.

We wouldn't go to your forum and continually take shots at your organization. ESPECIALLY, if your organization was about to lose it's (arguably) best player in franchise history. It's disrespectful. So stop please. We don't need your "reporting" here on everything you think is important.

The Miami Heat don't want Lillard enough to make an offer (or do the legwork) that satisfies the Blazers' asking price. That's what is obvious, and that's all ANYBODY knows outside of Riley, Cronin, Goodwin and Lillard. Until we hear something from one of those 4? Everything should be taken with a tiny grain of salt.

Barry Jackson, Anthony Chiang, Ethan Skolnick (all reporters with sources inside the Heat organization) are all reporting the same thing.
The Heat made an offer and are waiting on the Blazers to engage in trade talks.

I gave the perspective of the Heat organization and what is happening there and you somehow are implying I am taking shots at the Blazers. Where exactly did I do that?

Sigh, I just noticed you have only been on here for a few months. You're probably 12 years old...I should probably just block you because your posts are annoying to everyone here.

That part in bold? Prove it.

And I don't mean links to reports coming from Miami "journalists" or even Portland "journalists" for that matter...those reports have zero validity. Your opinion means nothing here and you're not contributing anything useful to this thread because YOU DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW MIAMI'S POSITION. Just like we don't actually know Portland's. We are not interested in Miami fans regurgitating the same stuff we all can see by opening a laptop.

You've had multiple people tell you that we reject your perspective, so what more do you have to try and prove by deciding to post here on the Blazer forum? Get it out of your system now before I block you.

I'm 10. I'm gonna cry if you block me, please don't.

[VaDe255]

2 FRP 5 years + out and a few swaps is less than what Dejounte Murray netted the Spurs. Its a laughably bad offer for a player of Dame's caliber.

He will stay a Blazer if that is the best offer.

Ohhh almost missed that one.
This is certainly a very interesting trade.

You know why? The dude is playing the same position as Herro and Herro is 3 years younger.
Both averaged about 20 ppg / 5rpg / 4 (6 Dejounte) ast per game, with Herro getting his point on only 11.5 fg attempts and Murray needing 14.5.

They basically should be close in value, because one is a better defender the other one a better shooter.
So Murray nets 3 FRPs + swap and some here claim Herro won't net 1 FRP, how?!

[Brandon-Clyde]

2 FRP 5 years + out and a few swaps is less than what Dejounte Murray netted the Spurs. Its a laughably bad offer for a player of Dame's caliber.

He will stay a Blazer if that is the best offer.

Ohhh almost missed that one.
This is certainly a very interesting trade.

You know why? The dude is playing the same position as Herro and Herro is 3 years younger.
Both averaged about 20 ppg / 5rpg / 4 (6 Dejounte) ast per game, with Herro getting his point on only 11.5 fg attempts and Murray needing 14.5.

They basically should be close in value, because one is a better defender the other one a better shooter.
So Murray nets 3 FRPs + swap and some here claim Herro won't net 1 FRP, how?!

So all Miami has to do is trade Herro for the picks Portland wants and we can talk deal. Getter done.

[BlazersBroncos]

2 FRP 5 years + out and a few swaps is less than what Dejounte Murray netted the Spurs. Its a laughably bad offer for a player of Dame's caliber.

He will stay a Blazer if that is the best offer.

Ohhh almost missed that one.
This is certainly a very interesting trade.

You know why? The dude is playing the same position as Herro and Herro is 3 years younger.
Both averaged about 20 ppg / 5rpg / 4 (6 Dejounte) ast per game, with Herro getting his point on only 11.5 fg attempts and Murray needing 14.5.

They basically should be close in value, because one is a better defender the other one a better shooter.
So Murray nets 3 FRPs + swap and some here claim Herro won't net 1 FRP, how?!

Murray is a 6'5 point guard who can defend 1-3 very well. That is much more in demand than a 6'5 shooter who isnt a true PG nor a good defender. The latter archetype is much, much easier to find in this league.

Herro, like Simons and Poole (Albeit Poole is clearly the worst) is closer to the value of a young Jordan Clarkson than a guy like Murray.

[Dame Lizard]

2 FRP 5 years + out and a few swaps is less than what Dejounte Murray netted the Spurs. Its a laughably bad offer for a player of Dame's caliber.

He will stay a Blazer if that is the best offer.

Ohhh almost missed that one.
This is certainly a very interesting trade.

You know why? The dude is playing the same position as Herro and Herro is 3 years younger.
Both averaged about 20 ppg / 5rpg / 4 (6 Dejounte) ast per game, with Herro getting his point on only 11.5 fg attempts and Murray needing 14.5.

They basically should be close in value, because one is a better defender the other one a better shooter.
So Murray nets 3 FRPs + swap and some here claim Herro won't net 1 FRP, how?!

So all Miami has to do is trade Herro for the picks Portland wants and we can talk deal. Getter done.

Exactly, problem solved. VaDe is going to get us that sick Herro return and the deal is done. How good!

[IceColdCubano]

Ohhh almost missed that one.
This is certainly a very interesting trade.

You know why? The dude is playing the same position as Herro and Herro is 3 years younger.
Both averaged about 20 ppg / 5rpg / 4 (6 Dejounte) ast per game, with Herro getting his point on only 11.5 fg attempts and Murray needing 14.5.

They basically should be close in value, because one is a better defender the other one a better shooter.
So Murray nets 3 FRPs + swap and some here claim Herro won't net 1 FRP, how?!

So all Miami has to do is trade Herro for the picks Portland wants and we can talk deal. Getter done.

Exactly, problem solved. VaDe is going to get us that sick Herro return and the deal is done. How good!

There is no universe where this happens, because in the history of basketball no team has ever gone and traded one of their young core scorers for picks and then turned around started negotiations with another team. This is done with all teams involved, where everyone accepts what their giving up and taking back. Imagine a world where Miami goes and gives Herro up for 2 FRP's or 1 FRP which ever happens then turns around and Portland is like yes now we can talk, but actually weve decide to keep Lillard. Now Miami is one young scorer out for a contending team, come on be reasonable. Either everyone gets to the table and negotiates to make a decision or nobody goes to the table and nothing happens.

[Brandon-Clyde]

So all Miami has to do is trade Herro for the picks Portland wants and we can talk deal. Getter done.

Exactly, problem solved. VaDe is going to get us that sick Herro return and the deal is done. How good!

There is no universe where this happens, because in the history of basketball no team has ever gone and traded one of their young core scorers for picks and then turned around started negotiations with another team. This is done with all teams involved, where everyone accepts what their giving up and taking back. Imagine a world where Miami goes and gives Herro up for 2 FRP's or 1 FRP which ever happens then turns around and Portland is like yes now we can talk, but actually weve decide to keep Lillard. Now Miami is one young scorer out for a contending team, come on be reasonable. Either everyone gets to the table and negotiates to make a decision or nobody goes to the table and nothing happens.

It's called a contingency trade where Miami finds someone willing to offer the first round picks that Miami claims Herro is worth, Miami then shows the Trail Blazers front office a proposed offer using those picks and Portland either accepts or declines the offer. If Portland accepts the offer Miami finalizes the deal and sends Herro to team X and the picks go to Portland. If Portland declines the offer Miami calls off the trade of Herro to team X and then seeks other alternatives. Trades have been done like this for decades ( it's how most multi team deals begin). Portland has no duty to Miami in helping them find the assets needed for a Dame trade.

[JRoy]

2 FRP 5 years + out and a few swaps is less than what Dejounte Murray netted the Spurs. Its a laughably bad offer for a player of Dame's caliber.

He will stay a Blazer if that is the best offer.

Ohhh almost missed that one.
This is certainly a very interesting trade.

You know why? The dude is playing the same position as Herro and Herro is 3 years younger.
Both averaged about 20 ppg / 5rpg / 4 (6 Dejounte) ast per game, with Herro getting his point on only 11.5 fg attempts and Murray needing 14.5.

They basically should be close in value, because one is a better defender the other one a better shooter.
So Murray nets 3 FRPs + swap and some here claim Herro won't net 1 FRP, how?!

So all Miami has to do is trade Herro for the picks Portland wants and we can talk deal. Getter done.

Boom.

POR doesn’t want Herro.

If MIA can move Herro for the picks that POR wants and those are added to the bones of the supposed deal it becomes a better offer.

[BlazersBroncos]

Ohhh almost missed that one.
This is certainly a very interesting trade.

You know why? The dude is playing the same position as Herro and Herro is 3 years younger.
Both averaged about 20 ppg / 5rpg / 4 (6 Dejounte) ast per game, with Herro getting his point on only 11.5 fg attempts and Murray needing 14.5.

They basically should be close in value, because one is a better defender the other one a better shooter.
So Murray nets 3 FRPs + swap and some here claim Herro won't net 1 FRP, how?!

So all Miami has to do is trade Herro for the picks Portland wants and we can talk deal. Getter done.

Boom.

POR doesn’t want Herro.

If MIA can move Herro for the picks that POR wants and those are added to the bones of the supposed deal it becomes a better offer.

Its abundantly clear that Herro isnt getting much interest in any expanded MIA / PDX trade. If he was the trade would be done - or at minimum in the works rather than basically dead.