Portland - 2016 Offseason

[DusterBuster]

Delladova got 9.5 million/year from the Bucks

Good to know we aren't the only one's handing out crazy over-pays...

I think people need to get used to these kinds of numbers for backups. 7-10mil is the new 5mil MLE.

[TheEnforcer20]

I understand that the rest of the NBA is spending like drunken sailors but Portland has to be smart. Olshey looks more like Isaiah Thomas right now than a GM with a long or short term plan. If there is no player who fits an immediate need or not a vast improvement over what you have, then re-sign your own players and develop them and take a gamble on a guy like Terrence Jones. Wait for the right guy and situation to make changes for the better not for the sake of just changing things up.

[DusterBuster]

I understand that the rest of the NBA is spending like drunken sailors but Portland has to be smart. Olshey looks more like Isaiah Thomas right now than a GM with a long or short term plan. If there is no player who fits an immediate need or not a vast improvement over what you have, then re-sign your own players and develop them and take a gamble on a guy like Terrence Jones. Wait for the right guy and situation to make changes for the better not for the sake of just changing things up.

This isn't about the NBA spending like drunken sailors. This is the new reality for NBA contracts. This is what happens with a nearly 100 million dollar salary cap.

[Blazinaway]

Delladova got 9.5 million/year from the Bucks

Good to know we aren't the only one's handing out crazy over-pays...

I think people need to get used to these kinds of numbers for backups. 7-10mil is the new 5mil MLE.

Bayless got 9 mil per and I think Augustin got close to 8 mil per

[Blazinaway]

I understand that the rest of the NBA is spending like drunken sailors but Portland has to be smart. Olshey looks more like Isaiah Thomas right now than a GM with a long or short term plan. If there is no player who fits an immediate need or not a vast improvement over what you have, then re-sign your own players and develop them and take a gamble on a guy like Terrence Jones. Wait for the right guy and situation to make changes for the better not for the sake of just changing things up.

perhaps Olshey and Stotts feel Turner IS a better fit then some or one of the guys we have who are RFA's and he feels a need they don't provide

[TheEnforcer20]

I understand that the rest of the NBA is spending like drunken sailors but Portland has to be smart. Olshey looks more like Isaiah Thomas right now than a GM with a long or short term plan. If there is no player who fits an immediate need or not a vast improvement over what you have, then re-sign your own players and develop them and take a gamble on a guy like Terrence Jones. Wait for the right guy and situation to make changes for the better not for the sake of just changing things up.

This isn't about the NBA spending like drunken sailors. This is the new reality for NBA contracts. This is what happens with a nearly 100 million dollar salary cap.

it is true that there is a large salary cap but not every team is throwing out dollars like they are at a strip club.

[Run PDX]

Idea...

S&T Crabbe to Sacramento for Kosta Koufus and Ben McLemore.

WHY FOR PORTLAND?
Reason 1: If Crabbe demands $15M, we can cut roughly $3M with this deal.
Reason 2: Koufus played with Turner in college and McCollum in high school.
Reason 3: McLemore deserves a chance to play with a better team.

WHY FOR SACRAMENTO?
Reason 1: The cap hit would be smaller for Crabbe.
Reason 2: The Kings are loaded at center, and they really have no need for Koufus.
Reason 3: McLemore would fall further into the bench if Sacramento adds Crabbe and Waiters anyway.

[DusterBuster]

Good to know we aren't the only one's handing out crazy over-pays...

I think people need to get used to these kinds of numbers for backups. 7-10mil is the new 5mil MLE.

Bayless got 9 mil per and I think Augustin got close to 8 mil per

Exactly. These are guys who were struggling to get 3 or 4mil per year in the old NBA salary structure. This is what it's gonna cost to get backups now. We just gotta get used to it.

[DusterBuster]

I understand that the rest of the NBA is spending like drunken sailors but Portland has to be smart. Olshey looks more like Isaiah Thomas right now than a GM with a long or short term plan. If there is no player who fits an immediate need or not a vast improvement over what you have, then re-sign your own players and develop them and take a gamble on a guy like Terrence Jones. Wait for the right guy and situation to make changes for the better not for the sake of just changing things up.

This isn't about the NBA spending like drunken sailors. This is the new reality for NBA contracts. This is what happens with a nearly 100 million dollar salary cap.

it is true that there is a large salary cap but not every team is throwing out dollars like they are at a strip club.

Actually, most of them are and if they haven't yet, it hasn't been for a lack of trying.

[DusterBuster]

Idea...

S&T Crabbe to Sacramento for Kosta Koufus and Ben McLemore.

WHY FOR PORTLAND?
Reason 1: If Crabbe demands $15M, we can cut roughly $3M with this deal.
Reason 2: Koufus played with Turner in college and McCollum in high school.
Reason 3: McLemore deserves a chance to play with a better team.

WHY FOR SACRAMENTO?
Reason 1: The cap hit would be smaller for Crabbe.
Reason 2: The Kings are loaded at center, and they really have no need for Koufus.
Reason 3: McLemore would fall further into the bench if Sacramento adds Crabbe and Waiters anyway.

I'd love this.

[The Sebastian Express]

Idea...

S&T Crabbe to Sacramento for Kosta Koufus and Ben McLemore.

WHY FOR PORTLAND?
Reason 1: If Crabbe demands $15M, we can cut roughly $3M with this deal.
Reason 2: Koufus played with Turner in college and McCollum in high school.
Reason 3: McLemore deserves a chance to play with a better team.

WHY FOR SACRAMENTO?
Reason 1: The cap hit would be smaller for Crabbe.
Reason 2: The Kings are loaded at center, and they really have no need for Koufus.
Reason 3: McLemore would fall further into the bench if Sacramento adds Crabbe and Waiters anyway.

I'd love this.

I agree to this only if we perform a hair transplant of AC's to Koufus' head.

[DusterBuster]

Conley just got 150+ million from the Grizzlies. I know I keep saying how we need to adjust to the new reality of NBA contracts.... but mother of god that's expensive for a non-star PG who's never even sniffed an All Star game.

Speaking of weird salaries, ESPN has Meyers Leonard listed as getting 24mil next season lol: http://espn.go.com/nba/salaries

[TheEnforcer20]

This isn't about the NBA spending like drunken sailors. This is the new reality for NBA contracts. This is what happens with a nearly 100 million dollar salary cap.

it is true that there is a large salary cap but not every team is throwing out dollars like they are at a strip club.

Actually, most of them are and if they haven't yet, it hasn't been for a lack of trying.

I understand that is the impression but I don't see teams like Phoenix or Chicago making it rain. The Pacers got a need for 30mil and PDX just spent 40 mil more for a player that does nothing to vastly improve the team. The teams that have dropped coin for the most part had a need and paid and overpaid for that need, PDX does not need Turner, they could keep what they have and make a run at a project like Jones. Turner does not solve any issues that Portland has, they will still have no rim protector and they have little to no offensive production in the post. Turner is not Wesley Matthews defensively on the perimeter and he can't shoot the 3, so it looks like a ton of cap space was squandered on a guy who is not true and visible need.

[red_power]

Speaking of weird salaries, ESPN has Meyers Leonard listed as getting 24mil next season lol: http://espn.go.com/nba/salaries

Do they know something what we don't yet?

[Masterfully]

well, not that it matters much but on the trades board there are two polls

one is 'who won the deal, Turner or Blazers. Turner leads 41-0

the other is 'What is the worst deal so far: Turner's is getting 62% of the vote

ouch

in other news, will this thread be the first thread in years to hit 100 pages? Can't remember the last thread that did that

About the same reaction that we got when we signed Aminu last summer.

I hate to think Blazer fans are all about that name but reactions here make me think it is all about getting big names. We got a solid starting SF that adds defense and ball handling yet people complain because he doesn't have the famous name.

I said yesterday I'd take Harkless at $20 million over Parsons at $20 million. This is a form of that sentiment.

[Jsun947]

it is true that there is a large salary cap but not every team is throwing out dollars like they are at a strip club.

Actually, most of them are and if they haven't yet, it hasn't been for a lack of trying.

I understand that is the impression but I don't see teams like Phoenix or Chicago making it rain. The Pacers got a need for 30mil and PDX just spent 40 mil more for a player that does nothing to vastly improve the team. The teams that have dropped coin for the most part had a need and paid and overpaid for that need, PDX does not need Turner, they could keep what they have and make a run at a project like Jones. Turner does not solve any issues that Portland has, they will still have no rim protector and they have little to no offensive production in the post. Turner is not Wesley Matthews defensively on the perimeter and he can't shoot the 3, so it looks like a ton of cap space was squandered on a guy who is not true and visible need.

We needed a 3rd ball handler that can play with Lillard and CJ. Thats is a real need. We got killed without it in the playoffs. That 3rd ball handler also has to be able to defend bigger guards and wings. Those players aren't common in the NBA. I have a feeling you couldn't name very many of them right now if you tried.

We also need some legit rim protection but getting Evan Turner isn't mutually exclusive to accomplishing that. If we renounce Leonard we'll have about 16 mil to do that...

[Matt800]

I don't know much about Turner but it appears he can pass and handle the ball decently which is something POR could use in a wing. It gives them the option of playing Turner instead of CJ or Lillard at times and giving them better defense. That couldn't happen last year because no one else could handle the ball.

[DusterBuster]

Turners personality sounds like he's gonna fit in great with Portland.

[red_power]

ET shot 36% over the last two postseasons. He can't hit even occasional 3 point shot. And he's typical tweener defensively as well.
That hurts.

[Matt800]

We also need some legit rim protection but getting Evan Turner isn't mutually exclusive to accomplishing that. If we renounce Leonard we'll have about 16 mil to do that...

Maybe a center is needed, but against GS the majority of the game is small ball, and a high paid center would just be sitting on the bench for a large part of the game. There's some teams who a good center would help against, but it's more of a hit or miss position now based on lineups and to invest a lot of money in that doesn't seem like it should be top priority, especially when Davis and Plumlee are pretty decent. Maybe if Anthony Davis were available, or a time machine for Shaq. But there just aren't that many great center options. I'm all for some depth though if a guy like Aldrich can be had for a good price and is willing to be a role player.