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Post#161 » by Wizenheimer » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:40 pm

GEE wrote:As far as Gordon, not until we know for sure PsyCO is done for, and that won't be until the off season. Maybe we sniff at him then, but he isn't even close to the first guy I'd first want to target. That man would be Tobias Harris, and would trade quite a bit to get him. But only if Collins can't ball by the end of this year. Same goes for Nurkic.


it makes no sense at all, IMO, for Portland to pivot any of their plans on Zach Collins. He isn't that good when he's healthy. So far, he has been something of a tweener big man with big flaws at both positions. He doesn't have the footspeed to stay with all the stretch-4's and SF's masquerading as PF's in the 'new' NBA. And he doesn't have the strength to muscle up true post C's. Those are the two main reasons why he was always in foul trouble

he's a role player who can't stay healthy and he's due for a new contract. Worse is that a quick glance at the 2017 draft shows how many all-star & starting-level and players Olshey passed up to take Zach. The opportunity cost of Zach has been high and the payoff has been really poor. That equation will only get worse if Portland passes opportunities for upgrades because of Zach's very debatable potential

if Portland could reasonably add a player like Gordon and they didn't because they were waiting on Zach, it would be major mismanagement
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Post#162 » by DaVoiceMaster » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:57 pm

Well said Wiz. If I can turn Hood, Collins, Simons, and a futuristic pick into Aaron Gordon, I'm all over that. Collins and Simons aren't even in the rotation and Hood should not be in the rotation. I might even include Giles III if necessary as he's not in the rotation either. That opens another roster spot if the Blazers decide to sign LMA or add a backup PG (Shabazz Napier). Orlando wants young talent... give em our leftovers and be done with it.
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Post#163 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:13 pm

Rodney is a good dude, but right now he isnt a good basketball player. We did the right think overpaying him after he took a paycut for us, but at this point he is salary ballast and nothing more.
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Post#164 » by Blazinaway » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:13 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Well said Wiz. If I can turn Hood, Collins, Simons, and a futuristic pick into Aaron Gordon, I'm all over that. Collins and Simons aren't even in the rotation and Hood should not be in the rotation. I might even include Giles III if necessary as he's not in the rotation either. That opens another roster spot if the Blazers decide to sign LMA or add a backup PG (Shabazz Napier). Orlando wants young talent... give em our leftovers and be done with it.



Totally agree, and well said Wiz as well.
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Post#165 » by Blazinaway » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:19 pm

and reporting out this mornin he is apparently requesting a trade
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Post#166 » by DaVoiceMaster » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:20 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Rodney is a good dude, but right now he isnt a good basketball player. We did the right think overpaying him after he took a paycut for us, but at this point he is salary ballast and nothing more.


Absolutely agree and his bloated contract might just be what the Blazers need to make a trade so it all works out.
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Post#167 » by JasonStern » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:21 pm

GEE wrote:he isn't even close to the first guy I'd first want to target. That man would be Tobias Harris, and would trade quite a bit to get him.


76ers aren't looking at a rebuild, and thus are unlikely to trade Harris unless Portland overpays.
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Post#168 » by Blazinaway » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:04 pm

JasonStern wrote:
GEE wrote:he isn't even close to the first guy I'd first want to target. That man would be Tobias Harris, and would trade quite a bit to get him.


76ers aren't looking at a rebuild, and thus are unlikely to trade Harris unless Portland overpays.


Also Harris has a HUGE salary, more than double Gordons next yr, no way we could afford that unless CJ was the primary trade piece. His salary is 36 mil next yr, 37ish the following and 39 mil the yr after - NO THANKS
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Post#169 » by Norm2953 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:39 pm

Apparently according to Chris Haynes on BE, talks between Portland/Orlando have "cooled" which
might not be such a bad thing.

It may all depend on Nurk's actual physical condition and whether the team expects him to be able
to ramp up back to his 30mpg, so that Enes Kanter can return to his proper role as backup center.

We'll all know in three days...
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Post#170 » by JasonStern » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:42 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Apparently according to Chris Haynes on BE, talks between Portland/Orlando have "cooled" which
might not be such a bad thing.

It may all depend on Nurk's actual physical condition and whether the team expects him to be able
to ramp up back to his 30mpg, so that Enes Kanter can return to his proper role as backup center.

We'll all know in three days...


Strong chance Orlando wants more than Portland is willing to part with or a move would have been done a long time ago.

Still fun as a fan to envision a Gordon trade and picking Aldridge up in free agency.
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Post#171 » by Norm2953 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:50 pm

I do wonder however how much a signing of LA would entail how bullish team doctors are on Nurk's
chances at staying healthy? If somehow Nurk and Zach somehow were ready to play by April 1, the
team might just sit out the trade deadline if the cost for AG was too high.

Lots of silence on the LA front for the trade board is quiet. Is he still sitting at home awaiting a trade? Has
he reached out to Dame
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Post#172 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:25 pm

I think there is silence on the trade front in regards to LMA because teams are likely sitting around hoping he gets bought out. Once he hits the market as a buy-out, there will be a mad scramble for his services.

I still dont love the fit. It helps at C if Nurkic struggles on the way back but at the end of the day it leaves us with 3 single-position bigs who are all deserving of minutes if healthy. I wonder how many have watched LMA play this past year much. He is nearly as pure a C at this point as Kanter is.
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Post#173 » by d-train » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:06 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:If I can turn Hood, Collins, Simons, and a futuristic pick into Aaron Gordon, I'm all over that.

Nobody does a magic show where they turn a $20 bill into a $5 bill. Nobody wants to see that.

I don't see this trade happening. Not because Magic wouldn't do the trade, of course they would.

Blazers didn't trade for Hood 2 years ago, then put him in a situation he couldn't succeed. When Blazers acquire a player, it's because we have a role the player can fill and succeed. AG can't succeed sharing minutes with RoCo, Melo, DJJ, GTJ, Hood, and Little. One of the top 3 would have to be in the deal or there is no minutes for AG. This means DJJ would have to be in the trade. The deal would be DJJ and Hood for AG. It's a bad trade for Blazers.

The only difference between Hood this year and previous years is he lost his role to DJJ and GTJ. Some players do better in an inconsistent role, but Hood has never done well without a clearly defined role that fits his strengths.

I'm all for shopping Hood. We have no use for him. I don't mind shopping DJJ because of his uncertain contract status. I don't want AG because he's not an upgrade.
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Post#174 » by d-train » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:39 am

Blazers had a $2.3M trade exception expire today.
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Post#175 » by PDXKnight » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:10 am

JasonStern wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:Apparently according to Chris Haynes on BE, talks between Portland/Orlando have "cooled" which
might not be such a bad thing.

It may all depend on Nurk's actual physical condition and whether the team expects him to be able
to ramp up back to his 30mpg, so that Enes Kanter can return to his proper role as backup center.

We'll all know in three days...


Strong chance Orlando wants more than Portland is willing to part with or a move would have been done a long time ago.

Still fun as a fan to envision a Gordon trade and picking Aldridge up in free agency.


i think orlando has to be demanding gtj. either that or little and/or simons and olshey is holding onto the guys he drafted
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Post#176 » by d-train » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:11 am

I just read a piece suggesting a John Collins for KP trade. Lol, I'll eat my shorts if that happens. Collins is 10x better than KP. Everyone seems to believe Collins will be overpaid this summer. Even if this happens, Collins on max deal is far less ugly than KP's max deal. BTW, I'm no John Collins fan.
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Post#177 » by d-train » Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:38 am

Clippers create a roster opening and room below the hardcap. Something is cooking. They have a deal with someone.
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Post#178 » by Norm2953 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:11 am

There is a lot of talk about Marvin Bagley on the TB. Is there any way Portland takes a flyer on Bagley given his
contract is a perfect match with Hood?
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Post#179 » by d-train » Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:11 am

Bagley would cost more than Hood. Bagley is a long-term play. I would think Blazers are more likely to shorten their horizon after trading trading picks for RoCo and Lillard/CJ in the final stretch of their careers.

OTOH, talented bigs are rare. If there is an opportunity, you can't dismiss it without first giving it every consideration.
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Post#180 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:04 pm

Bagley isnt a player that a team in the business of winning should want.

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