Post Draft: 2025 Off Season Part 2- What's Next?

[Dame Lizard]

Williams & 28’ ORL 1st for Kispert & rights to Riley?

I haven't watched Riley before, but his college season averages are really poor.

No way on earth would I trade an unprotected first for him, even if Orlando are likely going to be pretty good in 2028.

[Sinobas]

There's Markkanen to the Blazers buzz popping up again. I think he'd be a good addition. We could play Deni at SG, making Sharpe expendable.

We all know Sharpe is an exciting player, but at the end of the day, his shooting percentages are not good and he's not a good defender. We could also use this as an opportunity to unload Grant.

Jerami Grant and Shaedon Sharpe to the Jazz for Markkanen.

Deni is not a SG, neither is Camara

Why can't Deni play SG? He's a good ball handler, good perimeter defender, good shooter. He can play any position really.

[PDXKnight]

There's Markkanen to the Blazers buzz popping up again. I think he'd be a good addition. We could play Deni at SG, making Sharpe expendable.

We all know Sharpe is an exciting player, but at the end of the day, his shooting percentages are not good and he's not a good defender. We could also use this as an opportunity to unload Grant.

Jerami Grant and Shaedon Sharpe to the Jazz for Markkanen.

Deni is not a SG, neither is Camara

Why can't Deni play SG? He's a good ball handler, good perimeter defender, good shooter. He can play any position really.

Deni has a high turnover rate and a high ast/to as well. I think the 3 is where he belongs

[dckingsfan]

Williams & 28’ ORL 1st for Kispert & rights to Riley?

Kispert is a negative asset and Williams is an expiring. Substitute the '28 FRP for a couple of SRPs.

And Riley, pick #21, offsets that difference, which is not that big

Kispert is on a pretty decent contract IMO: $14/$14/$13/$13 (TO)

So one thing to note about Kispert. He is the worst defender on the Wizards. Because of that he is a negative contract. So, no you don't give them an FRP. I would say no right there.

Then Riley who needs two years of development at a minimum. I think he has a chance of being pretty good but he isn't going to help you for some time.

[dckingsfan]

There's Markkanen to the Blazers buzz popping up again. I think he'd be a good addition. We could play Deni at SG, making Sharpe expendable.

We all know Sharpe is an exciting player, but at the end of the day, his shooting percentages are not good and he's not a good defender. We could also use this as an opportunity to unload Grant.

Jerami Grant and Shaedon Sharpe to the Jazz for Markkanen.

Deni is not a SG, neither is Camara

Why can't Deni play SG? He's a good ball handler, good perimeter defender, good shooter. He can play any position really.

All three can defend SG. That is what has turned out to be so effective with this three forward lineup.

"I think" what Sinobas is getting to is that we don't have a primary initiator of the offense right now. And we are already talking about the secondary initiator - which Deni does just fine - regardless of the TOs. Note: Jokic does a pretty good job from the C position.

That was the biggest puzzle to me in this year's draft of not taking a swing at a player (or two) that can fill that need. Unless they think that is Yang in time? I thought Tristan Vukcevic might be a good signing for that last slot... just in case Yang takes time to develop or just doesn't - he can also slide over to PF given he is a stretch big.

[Walton1one]

I think asking Deni to defend SG is a stretch, he excels at PF where his physicality and quickness are an advantage, he can be neutral at SF, can even play some small ball center but that is the extent of it IMO

[m0ng0]

Yep, keep him in the positions he can thrive at, SG Imo is not it

[Walton1one]

Kispert is a negative asset and Williams is an expiring. Substitute the '28 FRP for a couple of SRPs.

And Riley, pick #21, offsets that difference, which is not that big

Kispert is on a pretty decent contract IMO: $14/$14/$13/$13 (TO)

So one thing to note about Kispert. He is the worst defender on the Wizards. Because of that he is a negative contract. So, no you don't give them an FRP. I would say no right there.

Then Riley who needs two years of development at a minimum. I think he has a chance of being pretty good but he isn't going to help you for some time.

Riley is the target IMO since he has some really good long term upside & probably would be as good\better than Rupert & Cissoko are right now, neither who can even get on the court after 3 years

Kispert defense is bad, but he is not being brought in to defend but to shoot which this team is woefully short on, and he is coming off the bench, having a shooter off the bench on a good contract that will get even better each year is not a terrible thing

If POR can do this trade w/o the 28 ORL 1st, great, but counting on that pick 3 years from now to be better than a return of Rikey\Kispert seems like a reach to me

[dckingsfan]

And Riley, pick #21, offsets that difference, which is not that big

Kispert is on a pretty decent contract IMO: $14/$14/$13/$13 (TO)

So one thing to note about Kispert. He is the worst defender on the Wizards. Because of that he is a negative contract. So, no you don't give them an FRP. I would say no right there.

Then Riley who needs two years of development at a minimum. I think he has a chance of being pretty good but he isn't going to help you for some time.

Riley is the target IMO since he has some really good long term upside & probably would be as good\better than Rupert & Cissoko are right now, neither who can even get on the court after 3 years

Kispert defense is bad, but he is not being brought in to defend but to shoot which this team is woefully short on, and he is coming off the bench, having a shooter off the bench on a good contract that will get even better each year is not a terrible thing

If POR can do this trade w/o the 28 ORL 1st, great, but counting on that pick 3 years from now to be better than a return of Rikey\Kispert seems like a reach to me

Let's agree to disagree. Maybe go to the Wizards board and read what has been written about Kispert. He is a negative asset - you get the picks back in that deal. full stop. As far as his shooting - his 3 point percentage isn't that much better than Camara, Grant, Deni or Thybulle - take a look at last year's number.

This would be a bad trade. If you are trading an expiring for Riley and believe he is really going to be something and worth the negative implications of the Kispert contract, fine. But no way do you include a pick.

[dckingsfan]

Yep, keep him in the positions he can thrive at, SG Imo is not it

Fair enough.

But both in Portland and in DC Avdija has shown an ability to guard positions one through four. He’s quick enough to serve at the point of attack and in small-ball lineups has guarded the opposing team’s center. He spent ~ 20% of his time last year at SG. So, can he play SG - yup.

Second question - where will he thrive. You may well be correct that he would be better at SF or PF. I won't dispute that at all.

But given that we will probably see a 3-forward starting lineup of Deni, Camara and Grant - I think he will play some SG and be fine there - as will Camara (opinion).

[BlazersBroncos]

No chance in hell I trade that 2028 ORL FRP for Riley. Thats a huge waste of a high variance FRP. That ORL core isnt sticking together for 3 full seasons unless they make a finals appearance IMO - which is far from guaranteed.

I like Kispert - but wouldnt offer more than RWIII and a SRP. Even then, I am on the fence. Not sure I want Reath as the main backup C should Yang not be ready for 18-20mpg.

Think Ryan Rollins would round out the offseason well. Also speaking on something unlikley - if there is no market for Josh Giddey I would love to see what his cost in a S&T would be. I would move Scoot to get him. Dont think we are seeing Scoot post the numbers Giddey posted last season potentially ever in his career - like, Josh is very legit. .121 WS48, +1.9 OBPM, +1.1 DBPM, 37% 3PT, only 21% USG, his +/- on a bad team was tremendous. Kid is a needle mover.

[Walton1one]

Noted, if POR could get him for less, I’m all for that, and I’m not big on Kispert per se, to me it’s more about getting Riley & some type of shooter who can at least shoot above league average

If there is another shooter out there that they could get like Hauser or someone like that, perfect, but it seems to me that Kispert is definitely available, and I think most shooters like him that you would acquire, are not known for their defense

FYI, Kispert career 3ptFG% - 38.2%

Camara 36.3%
Deni 33.7%
Sharpe 33%
Grant 36.4%
Holiday 37%
Scoot 34%
Thybulle 34.3%
Murray 25.1%

League Average LY: 36.8%

[Walton1one]

Yep, keep him in the positions he can thrive at, SG Imo is not it

Fair enough.

But both in Portland and in DC Avdija has shown an ability to guard positions one through four. He’s quick enough to serve at the point of attack and in small-ball lineups has guarded the opposing team’s center. He spent ~ 20% of his time last year at SG. So, can he play SG - yup.

Second question - where will he thrive. You may well be correct that he would be better at SF or PF. I won't dispute that at all.

But given that we will probably see a 3-forward starting lineup of Deni, Camara and Grant - I think he will play some SG and be fine there - as will Camara (opinion).

Yeah, to me that is the crux of the issue, can he do it? Sure he can do it, but is that the ideal situation for him on most given nights? I don’t think so.

Is that maximizing him to his best abilities? Not at all in my opinion.

[dckingsfan]

Noted, if POR could get him for less, I’m all for that, and I’m not big on Kispert per se, to me it’s more about getting Riley & some type of shooter who can at least shoot above league average

If there is another shooter out there that they could get like Hauser or someone like that, perfect, but it seems to me that Kispert is definitely available, and I think most shooters like him that you would acquire, are not known for their defense

FYI, Kispert career 3ptFG% - 38.2%

Camara 36.3%
Deni 33.7%
Sharpe 33%
Grant 36.4%
Holiday 37%
Scoot 34%
Thybulle 34.3%
Murray 25.1%

League Average LY: 36.8%

Look at last year as well on the 3-point percentage - it doesn't look as good for Kispert. Camara, Deni, Grant and Kispert were all about the same and what Kispert gives up on D makes it ugly.

But yes, the team could use more 3-point shooting. One up and comer in this regard is Tristan Vukcevic. He is a stretch big that can play PF and C. He doesn't want to be on a two-way so would be much less expensive a contract.

[dckingsfan]

No chance in hell I trade that 2028 ORL FRP for Riley. Thats a huge waste of a high variance FRP. That ORL core isnt sticking together for 3 full seasons unless they make a finals appearance IMO - which is far from guaranteed.

I like Kispert - but wouldnt offer more than RWIII and a SRP. Even then, I am on the fence. Not sure I want Reath as the main backup C should Yang not be ready for 18-20mpg.

Think Ryan Rollins would round out the offseason well. Also speaking on something unlikley - if there is no market for Josh Giddey I would love to see what his cost in a S&T would be. I would move Scoot to get him. Dont think we are seeing Scoot post the numbers Giddey posted last season potentially ever in his career - like, Josh is very legit. .121 WS48, +1.9 OBPM, +1.1 DBPM, 37% 3PT, only 21% USG, his +/- on a bad team was tremendous. Kid is a needle mover.

It would need to be a S&T for Giddey. We have the expiring contracts to make it work with Scoot but it would likely cost us multiple FRPs.

It might be worth it as it would be our #1 option on offense.

I like Ryan Rollins as well - but he isn't going to be a needle mover, IMO.

[BlazersBroncos]

No chance in hell I trade that 2028 ORL FRP for Riley. Thats a huge waste of a high variance FRP. That ORL core isnt sticking together for 3 full seasons unless they make a finals appearance IMO - which is far from guaranteed.

I like Kispert - but wouldnt offer more than RWIII and a SRP. Even then, I am on the fence. Not sure I want Reath as the main backup C should Yang not be ready for 18-20mpg.

Think Ryan Rollins would round out the offseason well. Also speaking on something unlikley - if there is no market for Josh Giddey I would love to see what his cost in a S&T would be. I would move Scoot to get him. Dont think we are seeing Scoot post the numbers Giddey posted last season potentially ever in his career - like, Josh is very legit. .121 WS48, +1.9 OBPM, +1.1 DBPM, 37% 3PT, only 21% USG, his +/- on a bad team was tremendous. Kid is a needle mover.

It would need to be a S&T for Giddey. We have the expiring contracts to make it work with Scoot but it would likely cost us multiple FRPs.

It might be worth it as it would be our #1 option on offense.

I like Ryan Rollins as well - but he isn't going to be a needle mover, IMO.

Ya - I dont know how much higher I would go than Scoot.

RWIII + Thybulle + Scoot in a S&T. Maybe the worst future FRP we own. Josh is going into his year 23 season, Scoot into his year 21. So the age gap isnt that crazy. We have seen Camara guard PG very well so adding Josh gives us some really interesting lineup options -

G - Josh Giddey (6'8)
G - Toumani Camara (6'8)
F - Jerami Grant (6'7)
F - Deni Avdija (6'9)
C - Donovan Clingan (7'2)

w/ Holiday, Sharpe, Yang off the bench. We would have to find some shooters in this shallow FA class though.

[dckingsfan]

No chance in hell I trade that 2028 ORL FRP for Riley. Thats a huge waste of a high variance FRP. That ORL core isnt sticking together for 3 full seasons unless they make a finals appearance IMO - which is far from guaranteed.

I like Kispert - but wouldnt offer more than RWIII and a SRP. Even then, I am on the fence. Not sure I want Reath as the main backup C should Yang not be ready for 18-20mpg.

Think Ryan Rollins would round out the offseason well. Also speaking on something unlikley - if there is no market for Josh Giddey I would love to see what his cost in a S&T would be. I would move Scoot to get him. Dont think we are seeing Scoot post the numbers Giddey posted last season potentially ever in his career - like, Josh is very legit. .121 WS48, +1.9 OBPM, +1.1 DBPM, 37% 3PT, only 21% USG, his +/- on a bad team was tremendous. Kid is a needle mover.

It would need to be a S&T for Giddey. We have the expiring contracts to make it work with Scoot but it would likely cost us multiple FRPs.

It might be worth it as it would be our #1 option on offense.

I like Ryan Rollins as well - but he isn't going to be a needle mover, IMO.

Ya - I dont know how much higher I would go than Scoot.

RWIII + Thybulle + Scoot in a S&T. Maybe the worst future FRP we own. Josh is going into his year 23 season, Scoot into his year 21. So the age gap isnt that crazy. We have seen Camara guard PG very well so adding Josh gives us some really interesting lineup options -

G - Josh Giddey (6'8)
G - Toumani Camara (6'8)
F - Jerami Grant (6'7)
F - Deni Avdija (6'9)
C - Donovan Clingan (7'2)

w/ Holiday, Sharpe, Yang off the bench. We would have to find some shooters in this shallow FA class though.

I think the salaries would need to be ~ 25M. So, Scoot, RWIII and Reath + FRP(s). But yeah, that would be interesting.

I think that Chicago is just going to sit tight and match any offer or just wait him out until his price comes down. But I would love that lineup and add Vuk.

G - Josh Giddey (6'8), Holiday
G - Toumani Camara (6'8), Sharpe
F - Jerami Grant (6'7), Thybulle
F - Deni Avdija (6'9); Tristan Vukcevic (or someone like him)
C - Donovan Clingan (7'2); Yang

Then you hope one of Cissoko or Rupert breaks out. That would actually be a decent playoff team.

[Norm2953]

One would think Portland will make a move at some point to add a shooter but the team has 3
centers, 3 forwards and 4 guards that they can play. Perhaps as the teams begin to arrive for
fall camp and teams see what they have or don't have going into the season after watching
their rookies, something will get done.

[GEE]

Wiretap said Dame and Celtics have mutual interest. How messed up, or great would it be for Dame to rejoin Simons in Boston. ****.

Hope it happens, because the guy I want to take a shot at is Pritchard. ****, trade Scoot for Payton and the C's can have all 3.

As for Giddy, would be a big sexy move for sure, but at $25-30 mil/yr, easy pass. Same can be said for Beal but with more yuck.

One last thing... Postionless Basketball is what we are all witness to. We can just call Grant the starting SG if ya'll want, but it really doesn't matter. Chauncey is Old-School and is using Wooden-era positioning: Guard / Wing / Post vs. PG/SG/SF/PF/C. At least that's how I see it. It's simpler.

[Norm2953]

Actually since Simons is an expiring contract and Dame is likely going to miss the 2025 season, their paths
are not going to cross unless Boston signs him an extension.