Portland - 2016 Offseason

Wizenheimer · Post #1641 » by **Wizenheimer** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:03 am

Matt800 wrote:if POR makes the 2nd round or better again they might start attracting attention. Although will there be much money then? I think there's probably some skepticism now that POR will be able to perform well again and maybe last year was an anomaly.

2nd round doesn't make any difference

Portland won 54 games and made it to the 2nd round after beating Houston in the 1st round, and Houston was healthy. That summer, Spenser Hawes, of all people, spurned the Blazers and took the same money in LA. Blazers had to settle for Kaman. In other words, Even when Portland does well one season and lowers their expectations about 3 tiers in free agency, they can't complete plan A

Anyway, POR can get better through player development, draft picks and trades. There's options.

player development only goes so far and can be wiped out by one injury. Blazers were amazingly healthy this season. Trades can work, but again, without really young prospects with good potential or high draft picks to offer, the chances of getting all-star talent in a trade are next to nil. And Portland won't be having any top-10 picks for a while unless disaster strikes. They seem to be in a cul-de-sac and they haven't found an exit sign yet

Wizenheimer · Post #1642 » by **Wizenheimer** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:11 am

Downtown wrote:I don't see Gasol as a serious signing, but Mahimni would be solid. And if it all shakes out that no other big name comes then it may not be so bad to get a Jordan Hill type, meaning a youngish veteran that can just fit in and rebound and block shots while protecting the rim at a decent price.

I think there's some financial strategy in the rumored Gasol pursuit. Blazers will be bumping up against the luxury tax if they use some cap-space and re-sign 2 or 3 of their RFA's, especially when CJ is on his extension. Gasol is at the age where a 2 year deal might satisfy him and give the Blazers a safety valve in terms of cap-relief. This would keep Portland from crossing over the threshold more then a season or two

I did say that I thought DJ Augustin would be a good backup point but after seeing what he got they may be just as well to hang onto Roberts and Montero and once again use McCollum as the main backup point. I also mentioned Norris Cole but I can now see him getting $7mil where before I was thinking in the neighbourhood of $3.5-$4mil.

Turner has better PG skills then CJ so he'll be doing a lot of the duty of initiating team offense. I'd like to see both Lillard and CJ get a few more higher percentage catch & shoot opportunities, and Turner may facilitate that

skoharry · Post #1643 » by **skoharry** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:19 am

i think after the evan turner signing portland signs or trades for 1 of these centers. biyombo, hibbert, dieng , WCS, noel, or dedmon. if i had a say this is the order of who i want from best to worse case.
biyombo
dieng
noel
WCS
dedmon
hibbert

Oneluckbox · Post #1644 » by **Oneluckbox** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:29 am

I wake up and I see no good news.

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PDXKnight · Post #1645 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:30 am

Sheesh half the league wants Ian mahimi. Not sure that's the type of player the Blazers will land

Blazinaway · Post #1646 » by **Blazinaway** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:31 am

Oden2 wrote:Sheesh half the league wants Ian mahimi. Not sure that's the type of player the Blazers will land

supposedly we are a "real threat" to land PAU Gasol

Dangeruss · Post #1647 » by **Dangeruss** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:35 am

I want Rivers, Gasol and as many of our RFAs as possible. This offseason can still be a success

PDXKnight · Post #1648 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:36 am

Blazinaway wrote:
Oden2 wrote:Sheesh half the league wants Ian mahimi. Not sure that's the type of player the Blazers will land

supposedly we are a "real threat" to land PAU Gasol

Ha

PDXKnight · Post #1649 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:38 am

Dangeruss wrote:I want Rivers, Gasol and as many of our RFAs as possible. This offseason can still be a success

Love the idea of rivers but I'd take mahimi over pau due to age. Really not sure I like our chances with the Spurs in the mix though

skoharry · Post #1650 » by **skoharry** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:43 am

if we are looking to get a PF i would take a chance on sullinger & dedmon for our starting frontcourt. i believe sullinger is worth 10-12mil a year & dedmon at 5-8mil a year

Blazinaway · Post #1651 » by **Blazinaway** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:53 am

NIC signs for 5 yrs 120 mil to stay in CHAR

Oneluckbox · Post #1652 » by **Oneluckbox** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:12 am

Think Turner is pretty solid tbh. Now Blazers got that 3rd ball handler that we've all been crying out for. Bloke can play good defence and can rebound and score in the midrange pretty effectively. 3-ball is an issue but this might mean more off the ball plays for Dame and CJ to get WIDE OPEN 3's. Would rather have Turner run the point and set up 2 of the best shooters in the league than have Chandler Parsons die for 40 games. 17.5 per year is a lot for him, I thought he would get closer to 15m. But I spose this FA is crazy and those are the types of numbers guys are getting.

Pls get a good big. And resign Harkless pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Dame Lizard · Post #1653 » by **Dame Lizard** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:15 am

I wish Olshey listened when I kept shouting for Harkless to be signed at the start of the season, given his value was at an all-time low! :cry:

I also really, really, really wish we had drafted Hammons. Unless we pull off a miracle 'bargain' (relatively speaking) signing of Biyombo, Aldrich or Mahinmi, we might be better to just stick with Plumlee for this season, rather than jeopardize cap-space with an overpay for the 3 years afterwards.

Dame Lizard · Post #1654 » by **Dame Lizard** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:18 am

That Dwight Howard signing for Atlanta was a steal. Only 3 years and the annual salary was probably less than I expected from a 4 year deal, let alone a 3 year one.

Butter · Post #1655 » by **Butter** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:43 am

Ok, I know this is blasphemy, but is there anyway that Turner was signed to free up McCollum for a trade?

I know NeO loves him, and he's Lillards guy, but there are some factors here I cant overlook

1) Turner is a good fit next to Lillard on the wing
Pro: wing defender
Pro: ball handler
Pro: distributor
Con: perimeter shooter

2) McCullom is the Blazers best trade piece
-It takes an asset to get an asset
-the Blazers could use McCullom to upgrade their center position

3) Financial ramifications
As Wiz has repeatedly pointed out, combining max deals for Lillard and McCullom, and potentially adding Crabbe's extension with Turners new deal ties up a lot of money in the backcourt.

Norm2953 · Post #1656 » by **Norm2953** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:45 am

It does appear Portland is likely done in FA after they strike out on Gasol. We'll bring back our
RFA's with Turner replacing Henderson.

One thing to consider is whether Portland can hold off Denver, Utah and Minnesota who at
this point have strengthened themselves in the draft. Likely the Grizzlies will at the very
least be the 5 seed with Portland in a group of 4-5 teams competing for 6-8.

Blazinaway · Post #1657 » by **Blazinaway** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:49 am

Butter wrote:Ok, I know this is blasphemy, but is there anyway that Turner was signed to free up McCollum for a trade?

I know NeO loves him, and he's Lillards guy, but there are some factors here I cant overlook

1) Turner is a good fit next to Lillard on the wing
+wing defender
+ball handler
+distributor
- perimeter shooter

2) McCullom is the Blazers best trade piece
-It takes an asset to get an asset
-the Blazers could use McCullom to upgrade their center position

3) Financial ramifications
As Wiz has repeatedly pointed out, combining max deals for Lillard and McCullom, and potentially adding Crabbe's extension with Turners new deal ties up a lot of money in the backcourt.

well after seeing the ridiculous contracts given out today I would not be opposed to A CJ trade given what his contract might look like next summer, as long as the return is good, but I just really doubt N.O. would deal him

GreenRiddler · Post #1658 » by **GreenRiddler** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:54 am

Well bazemore got 4 for 70. I think Crabbe is gonna get 4 for 60-65.

Blazinaway · Post #1659 » by **Blazinaway** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:54 am

so Bazemore signs with Hawks for same as Turner, so where does HORFORD end up?

PDXKnight · Post #1660 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:04 am

Blazinaway wrote:
Butter wrote:Ok, I know this is blasphemy, but is there anyway that Turner was signed to free up McCollum for a trade?

I know NeO loves him, and he's Lillards guy, but there are some factors here I cant overlook

1) Turner is a good fit next to Lillard on the wing
+wing defender
+ball handler
+distributor
- perimeter shooter

2) McCullom is the Blazers best trade piece
-It takes an asset to get an asset
-the Blazers could use McCullom to upgrade their center position

3) Financial ramifications
As Wiz has repeatedly pointed out, combining max deals for Lillard and McCullom, and potentially adding Crabbe's extension with Turners new deal ties up a lot of money in the backcourt.

well after seeing the ridiculous contracts given out today I would not be opposed to A CJ trade given what his contract might look like next summer, as long as the return is good, but I just really doubt N.O. would deal him

I'd much rather max cj out than pay crabbe 18-20 mil per season. Cj isn't an all star but at least he's a proven 15-20 ppg player with a good 3 point stroke