Post Draft: 2025 Off Season Part 2- What's Next?

[DusterBuster]

Curious the Holiday trade hasn’t been announced as official yet. Thought that had to wait until today like the KD trade, but it wasn’t quickly announced like that deal was this morning.

[dckingsfan]

One would think Portland will make a move at some point to add a shooter but the team has 3 centers, 3 forwards and 4 guards that they can play. Perhaps as the teams begin to arrive for fall camp and teams see what they have or don't have going into the season after watching
their rookies, something will get done.

It is weird breaking down this team - seems like you can do it two ways. The other way would be

PG: Holiday, Scoot
Wing: Thybulle, Deni, Grant, Sharpe, Rupert, Cissoko, Murray
Big: Clingan, RWIII, Reath, Yang

Guessing:

PG rotation: Holiday, Scoot
Wing rotation: Deni, Camara, Grant, Thybulle, Sharpe
C rotation: Clingan (have no clue).

The reason I have no clue is will RWIII be able to go? Will Reath continue to be underwhelming on the defensive end, will Yang be ready to go this season.

"It seems like", we need a stretch big. Given that Cronin is pretty good at sitting on his hands - I have no idea what he will do. I didn't see the Holiday move or the Yang draft pick coming.

The season does kind of depend on Holiday staying healthy, a good dose of Scoot improving (maybe even to a starting level PG (which he wasn't last season or the season before), a break out of Camara with Deni coming back as he did to end the season and Grant at least staying at the same level as last season.

Bonuses would be Thybulle coming back at the same level as the end of last season, Sharpe finally showing out and one of Cissoko or Rupert breaking though as a solid bench player. I have no hope for Murray (I guess no one on the board does either).

[DusterBuster]

According to Marang on his podcast tonight, hold up on Holiday deal is on the Celtics side. They have a few internal “order of operations” things they’re working on for stuff they’ve done or still working on that hasn’t been announced yet, but to expect probably the official done of the Jrue trade to be completed by tomorrow.

[Blazinaway]

What's next? Watching upcoming summer league and seeing if Yang might be the real deal or was a wasted pick

[Wizenheimer]

According to Marang on his podcast tonight, hold up on Holiday deal is on the Celtics side. They have a few internal “order of operations” things they’re working on for stuff they’ve done or still working on that hasn’t been announced yet, but to expect probably the official done of the Jrue trade to be completed by tomorrow.

every time I see somebody point at what Marang says, within a matter of days, sometimes hours, what he says is proven wrong. Like clockwork. I've only seen him a couple of times and my impression was not positive

if he's right this one time, I'd guess the "order of operations" is both the Celtics and Blazers looking for beneficial ways to restructure & expand the trade. There is no rush to complete it; have all summer

[DusterBuster]

According to Marang on his podcast tonight, hold up on Holiday deal is on the Celtics side. They have a few internal “order of operations” things they’re working on for stuff they’ve done or still working on that hasn’t been announced yet, but to expect probably the official done of the Jrue trade to be completed by tomorrow.

every time I see somebody point at what Marang says, within a matter of days, sometimes hours, what he says is proven wrong. Like clockwork. I've only seen him a couple of times and my impression was not positive

if he's right this one time, I'd guess the "order of operations" is both the Celtics and Blazers looking for beneficial ways to restructure & expand the trade. There is no rush to complete it; have all summer

As mentioned in another thread, I'm going to keep mentioning things he says regardless of peoples (myself included) view of him. Just for the simple fact that he's the only "source" close to the team who regularly reports things he's hearing in real-time. All other Blazer "insiders" have their content behind paywalls and usually are slower to report on things... which is also likely why "Marang" is "wrong" more often than guys like Highkin. Marang will report on things he hears in realtime, which are all fluid conversations and discussions and he may not catch wind of things that actually happen if they come out of left field even for the team itself... and also that likely the team does its best to ensure he only gets information they're OK with getting out to the public.

So it should go without saying to take it for what its worth.

[Walton1one]

Marang is a complete idiot, posting his nonsense here is fine, just to show what a clown he is. As for his reason, clearly it was not BOS "order of operations" as POR had some medical concerns with Jrue (sounds promising, ugh) and thus the trade was amended w\o the 2nd round picks, while that sounds fine and all, I am sure Cronin will find another deal to waste those picks on (or cash to trade them for).

Rest assured though, Marang will spin this into this is what he was reporting all along, never seen a guy with a bigger ego who clearly has no reason to have one....

His reaction on draft night to a few days later suddenly turning to glorious adoration of Yang, sums up his sycophant nature perfectly...

[m0ng0]

Marang is a complete idiot, posting his nonsense here is fine, just to show what a clown he is. As for his reason, clearly it was not BOS "order of operations" as POR had some medical concerns with Jrue (sounds promising, ugh) and thus the trade was amended w\o the 2nd round picks, while that sounds fine and all, I am sure Cronin will find another deal to waste those picks on (or cash to trade them for).

Rest assured though, Marang will spin this into this is what he was reporting all along, never seen a guy with a bigger ego who clearly has no reason to have one....

His reaction on draft night to a few days later suddenly turning to glorious adoration of Yang, sums up his sycophant nature perfectly...

You?

[Walton1one]

lol, I am not the one claiming to be an expert and charging money to some bs podcast\patreon, what are you a fan of his or something? Maybe you ARE him?

Sorry (not) if laying out the facts\truth about this team and its current inept management is so "triggering" for you. Far too many of the POR fan base are ridiculously fragile, only want positive thoughts, right? Just ignore the reality of what is ACTUALLY going on?

Since our illustrious\most brilliant GM has taken the reigns, here is his glorious record to date:

16-43
33-49
21-61
36-46

Ask yourself honestly, if Paul Allen were alive right now, do you really think this clown would still have his job? Heck, if almost ANY other current NBA owner was in charge, would he have this job? You all know the answer....Absolutely not.

[Walton1one]

Recent rumors of LAL interest in Thybulle, what about a deal centered around Knecht, which then POR would send on to CHA (who had significant interest)?

LAL trades Knecht to CHA & Vincent or Kleber (both are expiring) & 32' 2nd to POR

POR trades Thybulle to LAL

CHA trades Okogie and 27' 2nd (more favorable of POR\NO) to POR

I don't think Knecht fits with POR "defense 1st/2nd/3rd/shooting be dammed" mentality and CHA had significant interest, so moving him on to CHA for Okogie (who is on the block) and a nice 27' 2nd (best b\t NO\POR) might make sense? Okogie better fits POR defensive identity as a wing, ranking in the 71st percentile LY

Other than Okogie from CHA though: DaQuan Jeffries, Tre Mann or Nick Smith could be options....

OR

Josh Green to POR and LAL send Goodwin to POR instead of Kleber\Vincent

[dckingsfan]

Recent rumors of LAL interest in Thybulle, what about a deal centered around Knecht, which then POR would send on to CHA (who had significant interest)?

LAL trades Knecht to CHA & Vincent or Kleber (both are expiring) & 32' 2nd to POR

POR trades Thybulle to LAL

CHA trades Okogie and 27' 2nd (more favorable of POR\NO) to POR

I don't think Knecht fits with POR "defense 1st/2nd/3rd/shooting be dammed" mentality and CHA had significant interest, so moving him on to CHA for Okogie (who is on the block) and a nice 27' 2nd (best b\t NO\POR) might make sense? Okogie better fits POR defensive identity as a wing, ranking in the 71st percentile LY

Other than Okogie from CHA though: DaQuan Jeffries, Tre Mann or Nick Smith could be options....

OR

Josh Green to POR and LAL send Goodwin to POR instead of Kleber\Vincent

I think you might be onto something... Goodwin definitely fits the Portland mold, his age is about right for this group and he has always been a solid defender. He has always been in the role of tertiary ball handler. Is there a mini trade to be had?

[Walton1one]

Goodwin - 52nd percentile defense, 67th percentile rebounding

eFG 51.7 (40th)
TS% 52.9 (30th)

[Sinobas]

There are Corey Kispert rumblings. He'd be a really nice addition. Maybe we coudl get him and also unload Grant for Middleton.

Grant, Thybulle, 2027 1st to the Wizards for Kispert and Middleton.

[BlazersBroncos]

There are Corey Kispert rumblings. He'd be a really nice addition. Maybe we coudl get him and also unload Grant for Middleton.

Grant, Thybulle, 2027 1st to the Wizards for Kispert and Middleton.

No paying a pick to move off Grant. Maybe if we were a FA destination but we are not. It makes no sense.

I also hold on to Thybulle before I cash him in for SRP. We got our SRP back from the BOS trade and added 2 from the MEM deal. Thybulle is a great bit player. I think his presence on defense and in the locker room is worth more than a few SRP and a crappy filler player.

I would do something like Grant + 5 SRP for Kispert + filler. WAS wont. It will take a FRP to move off Grant and again, that is a tremendous NO for me.

We already have that CHI FRP obligation. Having a 2nd FRP owed just to offload Grant would be a huge waste.

I think we are also looking at Kispert here too highly. He is by all metrics a Simons level defender. He doesnt do much outside shooting. Thats fine, we can use some shooting, but he isnt a positive value player IMO due to the defense. He is also only 2 years younger than Thybulle - not some kid with upside but a guy who is who he is - a overpaid-for-his-% bench shooter who plays defense like a matador.

[dckingsfan]

There are Corey Kispert rumblings. He'd be a really nice addition. Maybe we coudl get him and also unload Grant for Middleton.

Grant, Thybulle, 2027 1st to the Wizards for Kispert and Middleton.

No paying a pick to move off Grant. Maybe if we were a FA destination but we are not. It makes no sense.

I also hold on to Thybulle before I cash him in for SRP. We got our SRP back from the BOS trade and added 2 from the MEM deal. Thybulle is a great bit player. I think his presence on defense and in the locker room is worth more than a few SRP and a crappy filler player.

I would do something like Grant + 5 SRP for Kispert + filler. WAS wont. It will take a FRP to move off Grant and again, that is a tremendous NO for me.

We already have that CHI FRP obligation. Having a 2nd FRP owed just to offload Grant would be a huge waste.

The Kispert rumblings are coming from DC. They would LOVE to get rid of him as he is a negative asset. And they aren't going to take on Grant.

I would bet that Thybulle will shoot an near to equal 3 point percentage this year AND play some D.

DC does have some issues - they have too many players and can't resign Vuk. If I was going in a direction - I would go that way.

[dckingsfan]

Goodwin - 52nd percentile defense, 67th percentile rebounding

eFG 51.7 (40th)
TS% 52.9 (30th)

Yep. But trending - the 3 point percentage is going up and the defense is rock solid.

[BlazersBroncos]

The Kispert rumblings are coming from DC. They would LOVE to get rid of him. And they aren't going to take on Grant.

I would bet that Thybulle will shoot an near to equal 3 point percentage this year AND play some D.

Ya, just got done with my Kispert soap-box.

If Grant is going out then sure.

But Kispert isnt nearly as good as Thybulle or Grant.

He is a Simons, Tre Young, Cam Thomas level bad defender making 13M to shoot league average from 3.

[Sinobas]

There are Corey Kispert rumblings. He'd be a really nice addition. Maybe we coudl get him and also unload Grant for Middleton.

Grant, Thybulle, 2027 1st to the Wizards for Kispert and Middleton.

No paying a pick to move off Grant. Maybe if we were a FA destination but we are not. It makes no sense.

I also hold on to Thybulle before I cash him in for SRP. We got our SRP back from the BOS trade and added 2 from the MEM deal. Thybulle is a great bit player. I think his presence on defense and in the locker room is worth more than a few SRP and a crappy filler player.

I would do something like Grant + 5 SRP for Kispert + filler. WAS wont. It will take a FRP to move off Grant and again, that is a tremendous NO for me.

We already have that CHI FRP obligation. Having a 2nd FRP owed just to offload Grant would be a huge waste.

I think we are also looking at Kispert here too highly. He is by all metrics a Simons level defender. He doesnt do much outside shooting. Thats fine, we can use some shooting, but he isnt a positive value player IMO due to the defense. He is also only 2 years younger than Thybulle - not some kid with upside but a guy who is who he is - a overpaid-for-his-% bench shooter who plays defense like a matador.

But it would be to get Kispert as well. I'd do Thybulle and a first for Kispert straight up. If we can con the Wizards into taking Grant off our hands it would be a coup. The Wizards just so happen to have a contract that is as bad as Grant's (but better in the sense that it's just 1 year). So they'd only suffer 2 years of Grant, who is still a bit better than kM.

Kispert has the best 2pt% of any non center in the league. He's insanely efficient. He's exactly what this team needs.

[Sinobas]

The Kispert rumblings are coming from DC. They would LOVE to get rid of him. And they aren't going to take on Grant.

I would bet that Thybulle will shoot an near to equal 3 point percentage this year AND play some D.

Ya, just got done with my Kispert soap-box.

If Grant is going out then sure.

But Kispert isnt nearly as good as Thybulle or Grant.

He is a Simons, Tre Young, Cam Thomas level bad defender making 13M to shoot league average from 3.

Look at his 2pt shooting percentage, it's insane for a wing. And his 3pt shot last year was average, but he's shot as well as 42.5%.

[dckingsfan]

The Kispert rumblings are coming from DC. They would LOVE to get rid of him. And they aren't going to take on Grant.

I would bet that Thybulle will shoot an near to equal 3 point percentage this year AND play some D.

Ya, just got done with my Kispert soap-box.

If Grant is going out then sure.

But Kispert isnt nearly as good as Thybulle or Grant.

He is a Simons, Tre Young, Cam Thomas level bad defender making 13M to shoot league average from 3.

Look at his 2pt shooting percentage, it's insane for a wing. And his 3pt shot last year was average, but he's shot as well as 42.5%.

He shot a very low percentage of his shots inside 3 feet... so there is that. And it still doesn't make up for his defensive deficiencies.

As from above both Thybulle and Grant are better players.

What is your next option?