Portland - 2016 Offseason

DusterBuster · Post #1821 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:36 am

Beeboywhoo wrote:This is stupid... im so frustrated , all we have to show for this year is a 17 million dollar Evan Turner. I was listening to the Duncd on podcast and they were SLAMMMING this move hard

Portland also go high marks for the drafting of Greg Oden.... Sooooo, who really cares what pundits say about the move?

Post #1822 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:37 am

Wizenheimer wrote:
The Sebastian Express wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:oh, and if Mozgov and Mahinmi can get 16 million a year under a 94 million cap, what's Plumlee going to get under a 110 million cap if he has a good year?...

A boot out the door.

if he's going to be shown the door because of cost, I hope, for a change, we have a GM that will actually get some value for him in a trade instead of losing him for nothing

I mean yes, I agree. But the idea of Plumlee getting a max, which seems very possible with some of these desperate teams, horrifies me. And I would much rather wave goodbye than paying that much money.

DusterBuster · Post #1823 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:38 am

GimmeDat wrote:Sorry, let me re-phrase - how much do you think Portland will be willing to match up to?

Considering the NBA salary cap floor is 84 million, matching high dollar figures for their own guys might be the only way they make it to the salary floor.

As far as an actual answer to your question, I would guess the 12mil range, but truly we have no idea. No one expected 17mil for Evan Turner, so I don't think you can really take too much away from fans guesses this summer.

Post #1824 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:38 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Beeboywhoo wrote:This is stupid... im so frustrated , all we have to show for this year is a 17 million dollar Evan Turner. I was listening to the Duncd on podcast and they were SLAMMMING this move hard

Portland also go high marks for the drafting of Greg Oden.... Sooooo, who really cares what pundits say about the move?

Highs marks about Greg (still agree, RIP his knees). Slammed for Roy and Aldridge. Slammed for Aminu. Criticism is subjective. There's no way none of us can know on most of these guys until next year.

Except Solomon Hill getting 50 mil plus.

DusterBuster · Post #1825 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:39 am

Sounds like Gasol is waiting on Durant to sign because a team he's interested in is still in the running for him. That's probably a fairly clear indication he's headed to SA if true.

Norm2953 · Post #1826 » by **Norm2953** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:40 am

How wild it would be if a bunch of guys pulled a DAJ and reneged on their commitment as they do
on national letter of intent day. It would be hilarious to see Turner renege on his 4 year deal.

Case2012 · Post #1827 » by **Case2012** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:41 am

Everyone except NBA players want to move here... I don't get it.

DusterBuster · Post #1828 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:41 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Beeboywhoo wrote:This is stupid... im so frustrated , all we have to show for this year is a 17 million dollar Evan Turner. I was listening to the Duncd on podcast and they were SLAMMMING this move hard

Portland also go high marks for the drafting of Greg Oden.... Sooooo, who really cares what pundits say about the move?

Highs marks about Greg (still agree, RIP his knees). Slammed for Roy and Aldridge. Slammed for Aminu. Criticism is subjective. There's no way none of us can know on most of these guys until next year.

Except Solomon Hill getting 50 mil plus.

I've completely stopped reading or listening to any "Grade" articles or podcasts for this very reason. They're a total waste of time.

Dame Lizard · Post #1829 » by **Dame Lizard** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:44 am

Wizenheimer wrote:oh, and if Mozgov and Mahinmi can get 16 million a year under a 94 million cap, what's Plumlee going to get under a 110 million cap if he has a good year?...

It was a massive oversight by Neo trading for Plumlee.

If we used last season's success to sign good FAs, then I'd shut-up about it, but to no surprise Portland isn't a hot FA destination.

DusterBuster · Post #1830 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:45 am

Dame Lizard wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:oh, and if Mozgov and Mahinmi can get 16 million a year under a 94 million cap, what's Plumlee going to get under a 110 million cap if he has a good year?...

It was a massive oversight by Neo trading for Plumlee.

If we used last season's success to sign good FAs, then I'd shut-up about it, but to no surprise Portland isn't a hot FA destination.

Huh?

Dame Lizard · Post #1831 » by **Dame Lizard** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:46 am

GimmeDat wrote:Sorry, let me re-phrase - how much do you think Portland will be willing to match up to?

I rate Harkless more than Turner (particularly when you consider Harkless' age).

Turner is the better fit though. I'd match 4/60 for Harkless, but would have to consider the bids above that.

Post #1832 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:47 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Dame Lizard wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:oh, and if Mozgov and Mahinmi can get 16 million a year under a 94 million cap, what's Plumlee going to get under a 110 million cap if he has a good year?...

It was a massive oversight by Neo trading for Plumlee.

If we used last season's success to sign good FAs, then I'd shut-up about it, but to no surprise Portland isn't a hot FA destination.

Huh?

IIRC DL is a big RHJ fan (I am as well). I don't think it was a massive oversight, but I think I would have preferred RHJ long-term.

Case2012 · Post #1833 » by **Case2012** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:47 am

Surprised Olshey didn't sign Eric Gordon. He has the habit of signing players he's drafted or signed in the past. Seems like thats all he can sign... That and players no one wants.

Dame Lizard · Post #1834 » by **Dame Lizard** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:52 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Dame Lizard wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:oh, and if Mozgov and Mahinmi can get 16 million a year under a 94 million cap, what's Plumlee going to get under a 110 million cap if he has a good year?...

It was a massive oversight by Neo trading for Plumlee.

If we used last season's success to sign good FAs, then I'd shut-up about it, but to no surprise Portland isn't a hot FA destination.

Huh?

This team wasn't built to win during Plumlee's cheap years. It was built to win after a couple of off-seasons of smart additions. It over-performed last year, combined with injuries and under-performing from other WC teams.

2 cheap years of Plumlee is good and all, but just when we're hopefully starting to get serious, we'll have to sign Plumlee for some crazy 4/80 deal if we wanted to keep him.

I cannot for the life of me, see how a 4 year rookie contract on an elite, athletic defender, didn't at the time, fit our strategy better than 2 rookie years of Plumlee when we were meant to be missing the playoffs/getting the 8th seed.

Norm2953 · Post #1835 » by **Norm2953** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:52 am

We would have been better off keeping Rolo and RHJ for Rolo seemed a good fit for the
community. Presumably NO was counting on a high lottery pick and perhaps if Portland
does nothing else this off season could be making a stealth tank for the 2017 draft

The 2017 draft though is really deep in PG's and wings for the top big is coming off of
2 ACL tears in 3 years of HS.

DusterBuster · Post #1836 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:54 am

Yeah, I wish Portland would have kept Rolo. He could have been a part of the retool at his age. I don't particularly find RHJ that impressive, so that's inconsequential, but locking up Rolo would have been nice instead of just letting him walk.

Wizenheimer · Post #1837 » by **Wizenheimer** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 12:57 am

so, if it's a C you want who is still available?

* Pau Gasol (I think DB is right...he's a Spur unless Durant signs there)

* Roy Hibbert (this guy is awful)

* Zaza Paculia (does the dirty work and is extremely physical. Might be a real bargain)

* Chris Kaman (would he sit on the bench again for a vet minimum 1.55 million?)

* Jordan Hill (decent rebounder and defender; can play C/PF; shoots 51% from the 10-16' foot zone)

* Festus Ezeli (trouble staying healthy and is RFA; physical player)

* Cole Aldrich (been talked about a ton)

* Boban Marjanovic (if you like doofus, you'll like Boban)

* Nene Hilario (surprisingly good numbers last season on both ends of the floor; out-of-box bargain?)

kind of slim pickings after 40 hours of free agency

Olshey is probably right to target Pau first, but I do think there could be some effective bargain players here like Zaza or Jordan Hill. I think Aldridch is worth a shot but some high risk there and C's seem pretty expensive

maybe some low-budget PF's around still:

Brandon Bass
Louis Scola
Terrance Jones
David Lee
David West

Wizenheimer · Post #1838 » by **Wizenheimer** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:02 am

Eric Gordon to Rockets...4-year/53-million

Case2012 · Post #1839 » by **Case2012** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:03 am

DusterBuster wrote:Yeah, I wish Portland would have kept Rolo. He could have been a part of the retool at his age. I don't particularly find RHJ that impressive, so that's inconsequential, but locking up Rolo would have been nice instead of just letting him walk.

Sam Presti is the best at getting value for his good players before they dip. I would take him over Olshey any day. We probably would have so many draft picks and role players from a LMA trade.

DusterBuster · Post #1840 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:04 am

Case2012 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:Yeah, I wish Portland would have kept Rolo. He could have been a part of the retool at his age. I don't particularly find RHJ that impressive, so that's inconsequential, but locking up Rolo would have been nice instead of just letting him walk.

Sam Presti is the best at getting value for his good players before they dip. I would take him over Olshey any day. We probably would have so many draft picks and role players from a LMA trade.

Ok.