Portland - 2016 Offseason

[Jsun947]

Whoever keeps recommending Sanders is **** nuts. He made tons of dumb plays, got T'd up as much as rasheed and literally quit basketball

[Dame Lizard]

Dallas won't get anything after GSW matches

GSW would be beyond stupid for matching Barnes.

It's the hottest place to be. Even if KD doesn't sign, next year another star FA will be a good candidate to slip in. If you max Barnes..... that's not happening.

Even by maxing Barnes now, good luck having anything resembling a respectful bench next season when Curry gets his max.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Whoever keeps recommending Sanders is **** nuts. He made tons of dumb plays, got T'd up as much as rasheed and literally quit basketball

Yeah, he's a clearcut headcase. Don't waste any money on him, he will just quit again when things get tough for him. Talented as heck but not worth the trouble.

[deanwoof]

Please... Let's not entertain anymore free agent signings. Let's focus on a trade instead. It's depressing.

[Jsun947]

This is the list of remaining free agents

PLAYER OLD TEAM STATUS AGE POS.
Kevin Durant OKC UFA 27 SF
Dwyane Wade MIA UFA 34 SG
Dirk Nowitzki DAL PO 37 PF
Pau Gasol CHI PO 35 C
Jamal Crawford LAC UFA 36 SG
Deron Williams DAL PO 31 PG
J.R. Smith CLE PO 30 SG
Rajon Rondo SAC UFA 30 PG
Jordan Hamilton NOP UFA 25 SF
Isaiah Canaan PHI RFA 24 PG
Norris Cole NOP UFA 27 PG
Allen Crabbe POR RFA 24 SG
Jared Sullinger BOS RFA 24 PF
Matt Barnes MEM UFA 36 SF
Ramon Sessions WAS UFA 30 PG
Marcus Thornton WAS UFA 28 SG
Dion Waiters OKC RFA 24 SG
Manu Ginobili SAS PO 38 SG
Raymond Felton DAL UFA 31 PG
Kevin Martin SAS UFA 33 SG
Derrick Williams NYK PO 24 PF
Nene Hilario WAS UFA 33 PF
Jordan Farmar LAC UFA 29 PG
Gerald Green MIA UFA 30 SG
Luis Scola TOR UFA 35 PF
Gerald Henderson POR UFA 28 SG
Toney Douglas NOP UFA 30 PG
Tyler Johnson MIA RFA 22 SG
Jordan Hill IND UFA 28 C
Terrence Jones HOU RFA 24 PF
Tim Duncan SAS PO 40 C
Zaza Pachulia DAL UFA 32 C
Meyers Leonard POR RFA 24 C
Lance Stephenson MEM TO 25 SG
Lance Thomas NYK UFA 28 SF
Mo Williams CLE PO 33 PG
David Lee DAL UFA 32 PF
Wayne Ellington BKN PO 28 SG
Langston Galloway NYK RFA 24 PG
Garrett Temple WAS UFA 29 SG
Shane Larkin BKN PO 23 PG
Jason Smith ORL UFA 30 PF
James Ennis NOP RFA 25 SF
Brandon Bass LAL PO 30 PF
Marreese Speights GSW UFA 28 C
David West SAS PO 35 PF
Aaron Brooks CHI UFA 31 PG
Festus Ezeli GSW RFA 26 C
Donald Sloan BKN UFA 28 PG
Andrew Nicholson ORL RFA 26 PF
Brandon Jennings ORL UFA 26 PG
Wesley Johnson LAC PO 28 SF
Seth Curry SAC PO 25 PG
Henry Sims BKN UFA 26 C
Kris Humphries ATL UFA 31 PF
Maurice Harkless POR RFA 22 SF
Leandro Barbosa GSW UFA 33 SG
Donatas Motiejunas HOU RFA 25 PF
P.J. Hairston MEM UFA 23 SG
Josh Smith HOU UFA 30 SF
Tyler Zeller BOS RFA 26 C
J.J. Hickson WAS UFA 27 PF
Trevor Booker UTH UFA 28 PF
Roy Hibbert LAL UFA 29 C
Jason Terry HOU UFA 38 SG
Markel Brown BKN RFA 24 SG
Randy Foye OKC UFA 32 SG
Amar'e Stoudemire MIA UFA 33 PF
Dwight Powell DAL RFA 24 PF
Xavier Munford MEM TO 23 PG
Ty Lawson IND UFA 28 PG
Troy Daniels CHA RFA 24 SG
Boban Marjanovic SAS RFA 27 C
Greivis Vasquez MIL UFA 29 PG
Cole Aldrich LAC PO 27 C
Richard Jefferson CLE UFA 35 SF
Ronnie Price PHX UFA 32 PG
Quincy Acy SAC PO 25 SF
Charlie Villanueva DAL UFA 31 PF
Tim Frazier NOP RFA 25 PG
Miles Plumlee MIL RFA 27 C
Alan Anderson WAS UFA 33 SG
James Johnson TOR UFA 29 PF
Sasha Vujacic NYK UFA 32 SG
Alonzo Gee NOP PO 28 SF
Marcelo Huertas LAL RFA 32 PG
Jordan McRae CLE TO 25 SG
Dewayne Dedmon ORL UFA 26 C
Steve Blake DET UFA 36 PG
Jonas Jerebko BOS UFA 29 PF
Thomas Robinson BKN PO 25 PF
Ryan Kelly LAL UFA 25 PF
Brandon Rush GSW UFA 30 SG
Chase Budinger PHX UFA 27 SF
Elton Brand PHI UFA 37 PF
Brian Roberts POR UFA 30 PG
Kevin Seraphin NYK UFA 26 PF
Chris Andersen MEM UFA 37 PF
Caron Butler SAC PO 36 SF
Andre Miller SAS UFA 40 PG
Christian Wood PHI RFA 20 PF
Ian Clark GSW RFA 25 SG
James Anderson SAC PO 27 SG
Robert Sacre LAL UFA 26 C
Tarik Black LAL RFA 24 C
Jason Thompson TOR UFA 29 PF
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute LAC UFA 29 PF
Tayshaun Prince MIN UFA 36 SF
James McAdoo GSW RFA 23 SF
Kirk Hinrich ATL UFA 35 SG
Chris Kaman POR UFA 34 C
Anderson Varejao GSW UFA 33 PF
Matt Bonner SAS UFA 36 C
Kendrick Perkins NOP UFA 31 C
Pablo Prigioni LAC UFA 38 PG
Jarell Eddie WAS RFA 24 SF
Greg Smith MIN UFA 25 C
Steve Novak MIL UFA 32 SF
Tyler Hansbrough CHA UFA 30 PF
Sergey Karasev BKN RFA 22 SG
Damjan Rudez MIN TO 29 SF
Cleanthony Early NYK RFA 25 SF
Louis Amundson NYK UFA 33 PF
Jeff Ayres LAC UFA 28 PF
Jorge Gutierrez CHA RFA 27 PG
Udonis Haslem MIA UFA 35 PF
Mike Miller DEN UFA 36 SG
Nazr Mohammed OKC UFA 38 C
Bryce Cotton MEM RFA 23 PG

This is a list of the free agents that have been signed, sorted by average per year.

PLAYER OLD TEAM NEW TEAM CONTRACT YEARS PER YEAR
Lebron James CLE CLE ? ? ?
Mike Conley MEM MEM 153 5 30.6
Al Horford ATL BOS 113 4 28.3
DeMar DeRozan TOR TOR 139 5 27.8
Andre Drummond DET DET 130 5 26.0
Bradley Beal WAS WAS 128 5 25.6
Hassan Whiteside MIA MIA 98 4 24.5
Nicolas Batum CHA CHA 120 5 24.0
Harrison Barnes GSW DAL/GSW 95 4 23.8
Dwight Howard HOU ATL 70.5 3 23.5
Chandler Parsons DAL MEM 94 4 23.5
Ryan Anderson NOP HOU 80 4 20.0
Luol Deng MIA LAL 72 4 18.0
Bismack Biyombo TOR ORL 72 4 18.0
Joakim Noah CHI NYK 72 4 18.0
Kent Bazemore ATL ATL 70 4 17.5
Evan Turner BOS POR 70 4 17.5
Evan Fournier ORL ORL 85 5 17.0
Ian Mahinmi IND WAS 64 4 16.0
Timofey Mozgov CLE LAL 64 4 16.0
Jeff Green LAC ORL 15 1 15.0
Marvin Williams CHA CHA 54.5 4 13.6
Eric Gordon NOP HOU 53 4 13.3
Solomon Hill IND NOP 52 4 13.0
Jordan Clarkson LAL LAL 50 4 12.5
Arron Afflalo NYK SAC 25 2 12.5
Courtney Lee CHA NYK 50 4 12.5
Jeremy Lin CHA BKN 36 3 12.0
Austin Rivers LAC LAC 35 3 11.7
Joe Johnson MIA UTA 22 2 11.0
Jon Leuer PHX DET 42 4 10.5
Mirza Teletovic PHX MIL 30 3 10.0
Al Jefferson CHA IND 30 3 10.0
Jared Dudley WAS PHO 30 3 10.0
Matt Dellavedova CLE MIL 38 4 9.5
Jerryd Bayless MIL PHI 27 3 9.0
E'Twaun Moore CHI NOP 34 4 8.5
Anthony Tolliver DET SAC 16 2 8.0
Darrell Arthur DEN DEN 23 3 7.7
D.J. Augustin DEN ORL 29 4 7.3
Ish Smith PHI DET 18 3 6.0

[Oneluckbox]

So Dame thought this FA was going to be exciting for the Blazers...Admittedly, Olshey telling Dame they were going after Parsons and Dwight did seem pretty exciting at the time. But of course no big FA ever signs in FA so should've expected that to fail. Instead, Blazers got Evan Turner! They probably gonna bring back all their RFAs too! Super exicting tbh lads...

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[Wizenheimer]

Has anyone compared overall stats of Harrison Barnes to Evan Turner? I'm wondering how much more Dallas got for the extra $25mil.

how about a comparison of Barnes, Turner, & Harkless:

http://bkref.com/tiny/08b03

first, look at some of those per36 numbers. I find the Points/FGA's kind of interesting:

Harkless 1.21
Barnes 1.17
Turner 1.13

obviously, Barnes is the better perimeter shooter and that counts for a lot in today's NBA. But that's about the only advantage he has. Turner is by far the best playmaker, Harkless the best rebounder (Barnes finished 3rd) and the best at steals + blocks

then look at the advances numbers like PER, TS%, FT Rate, reb rate, winshares/48, value over replacement. There's not a lot that separates the three players. They are all strong in some areas and weak in others

if you drop down to the advanced numbers in the playoffs, Harkless had a clear edge, and playoff performance counts for something. Barnes is a year older then Harkless too and has played 43% more minutes

personally, I like the potential of Harkless more then any other Blazer role player. I think Portland would be making a mistake they'd regret a long time letting Harkless go or choosing Crabbe over Harkless. Unless Harkless gets some insane offer sheet Portland should match

[Matt800]

Yeah Harkless was quite impressive in the playoffs. Especially considering he had some sort of injury for a few games at least. Crabbe was pretty clutch with his shot making as well. Both are pretty good investments. I like Harkless more considering his height and hustle. Crabbe seems somewhat bored out there sometimes.

Turner is a decent idea considering shooting tends to be easier to learn than playmaking and ball handling.

[Oneluckbox]

If the Blazers keep Crabbe/Meyers over Harkless I will be so pissed. Like full on RAGE.

[Wizenheimer]

Turner is a decent idea considering shooting tends to be easier to learn than playmaking and ball handling.

not speaking on how decent an idea he is, but...

Turner will be 28 when next season starts. He'll be in his 7th seasonin the NBA after playing 3 years in the NCAA. He's probably been playing basketball since junior high. If he hasn't leaned to shoot by now it's probably unrealistic to expect him to get significantly better. Yeah, it's possible, but pretty unlikely

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Turner is a decent idea considering shooting tends to be easier to learn than playmaking and ball handling.

not speaking on how decent an idea he is, but...

Turner will be 28 when next season starts. He'll be in his 7th seasonin the NBA after playing 3 years in the NCAA. He's probably been playing basketball since junior high. If he hasn't leaned to shoot by now it's probably unrealistic to expect him to get significantly better. Yeah, it's possible, but pretty unlikely

Yeah, a big part of Aminu making a jump was that he was still relatively young. Turner is basically what he is, which I think fits our team needs, but I am not expecting any significant improvement with his shooting.


Also, 100% agree on keeping Harkless. He has one of the best potential ceilings on our roster. I've long said he would be a better long-term bet than Crabbe, even at similar money.

[7-12-52]

If the Blazers keep Crabbe/Meyers over Harkless I will be so pissed. Like full on RAGE.

I feel exactly the same way. We better prioritize Harkless. He isn't perfect but he impacts games and still has some upside.

[Matt800]

Yeah it's not common. I suppose the only player I know of right now who's improved is Trevor Ariza. Who got significantly better at 3 point shooting over time. But on a team like POR where Turner will have a lot of incentive to learn how to shoot, it is possible he will get better.

[sabi]

why is gasol waiting for durants decision? both have offers from the spurs. is he going to follow kd if he chooses the spurs and if not then he takes the more lucrative offer from the blazers? are toronto and minny a threat by offering as much as we can?

[DusterBuster]

why is gasol waiting for durants decision? both have offers from the spurs. is he going to follow kd if he chooses the spurs and if not then he takes the more lucrative offer from the blazers? are toronto and minny a threat by offering as much as we can?

It's clear why he's waiting for Durant's decision. Let's look at it:

There's 4 teams interested in him.

One of those four has eye on Durant (Spurs).

One of those 4 teams won't have enough money to sign him if they get Durant (Spurs).

Where is he going if the Spurs don't get Durant?

Do the math......

[Masterfully]

Dang, my dark horse free agent James Ennis got snatched up.

[DusterBuster]

Turner is a decent idea considering shooting tends to be easier to learn than playmaking and ball handling.

not speaking on how decent an idea he is, but...

Turner will be 28 when next season starts. He'll be in his 7th seasonin the NBA after playing 3 years in the NCAA. He's probably been playing basketball since junior high. If he hasn't leaned to shoot by now it's probably unrealistic to expect him to get significantly better. Yeah, it's possible, but pretty unlikely

Yeah, a big part of Aminu making a jump was that he was still relatively young. Turner is basically what he is, which I think fits our team needs, but I am not expecting any significant improvement with his shooting.

I totally disagree that age has anythingto do with it. Everything in the NBA has to do with a players situation, not age. Players at any age can see drastic changes in percentages or overall stats based on situation.

Look no further than Gerald Henderson. He had his best 3pt shooter percentage season last year in Portland. Last time he came close to .35 was two years ago and he shot roughly 30 more 3pt attempts his year with Portland..... oh, and he also played 1000 less minutes comparing the two seasons. So he shot way more threes in far far FAR less time on the court and hit his best percentage ever in the pros... at age 28.

Freaking Jason Kidd became a respectable 3pt shooter in his late 30's when he was a terrible 3pt shooter his whole career.

I don't know what Turner will do with his shooting percentages, but saying he CAN'T improve because of age is silly and just factually incorrect based on past history of other players.

[skoharry]

if we do miss out on gasol & we are still in the market for a veteran PF or C, then i would do these trades
portland gets gortat
sacramento gets aminu & morris
washington gets plumle, vonleh, & gay[plus some $ or picks]

S&T harkless & a pick to chicago for gibson & mcdermott

then either resign crabbe or 1 of these guys to replace him. l.stephenson, m.thornton, or g.henderson
then sign 1 of these PG'S for the vets min. felton, vasquez, roberts or a.brooks
then resign leonard once he realizes how small the market is for him.
so if it were me our roster would be

PG - dame/felton/frazier
SG - cj/crabbe/connaughton
SF - turner/mcdermott
PF - gibson/leonard/leymen
C - gortat/davis

[DusterBuster]

if we do miss out on gasol & we are still in the market for a veteran PF or C, then i would do these trades
portland gets gortat
sacramento gets aminu & morris
washington gets plumle, vonleh, & gay[plus some $ or picks]

S&T harkless & a pick to chicago for gibson & mcdermott

then either resign crabbe or 1 of these guys to replace him. l.stephenson, m.thornton, or g.henderson
then sign 1 of these PG'S for the vets min. felton, vasquez, roberts or a.brooks
then resign leonard once he realizes how small the market is for him.
so if it were me our roster would be

PG - dame/felton/frazier
SG - cj/crabbe/connaughton
SF - turner/mcdermott
PF - gibson/leonard/leymen
C - gortat/davis

Oh god no.... just to all of that. Every bit of that is a giant steaming bowl of nope.

[Masterfully]

Felton?! I'll become a Laker fan if he comes back.

To Duster's point. Deng has been a late bloomer with shooting. And Marvin Williams, in his first 8 seasons he hit a total of 269 threes. In the past 3 seasons he has hit 331 threes.