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Fire McMillan/Pritchard Poll

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Fire time?

Fire KP
2
3%
Fire Nate
41
59%
Fire Both
6
9%
Keep Both
21
30%
 
Total votes: 70

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Re: Fire McMillan/Pritchard Poll 

Post#21 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:22 am

is poop-flinging an Olympic sport?...if not, it should be
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Post#22 » by Pattycakes » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:23 am

Imagine what Nate could do with a healthy squad, he's definitely just as good of a coach as all these fools with superstars.
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Post#23 » by The Sebastian Express » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:24 am

No, no he isn't.
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Post#24 » by Shem » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:25 am

Surge wrote:Imagine what Nate could do with a healthy squad, he's definitely just as good of a coach as all these fools with superstars.

Just check out his 10 man rotations. Not staying with the hot hand at times, etc...

Even tonight he had 10 guys checked in before the start of the 2nd period.
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Post#25 » by DusterBuster » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:28 am

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Brandon-Clyde wrote:
Brautigan1 wrote:Too bad it's not a democracy.

The front office still will likely be listening to what the fans want or risk alienating them. KP is still popular among most Blazer fans while Nate is decidely less so


from the sketchy reports, it sure sounds like KP is in such trouble with management, that any fan support he might have will be irrelevant to those making the decision.


Yep, according to media members with far better connections than 90% of us have, KP is more likely than not done in Portland. It's really stupid that he could be canned soon. If we do fire him, I hope they can get Wark. It'll suck because he will have basically "Leno'd" his way into the Blazers GM job, but I think he's on par with Pritchard's talent level as a GM.

And if Pritchard is fired, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Nate ask to be let go himself. I don't know what his contract situation is like, but I don't think he stays long term if KP is gone.
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Post#26 » by The Sebastian Express » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:29 am

I'd be willing to take the loss of KP if it meant the loss of Nate as well.
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Post#27 » by DusterBuster » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:31 am

If Nate goes, you ALL better pray we can find and replace him with a coach who's at least as good, if not better than him. And that's not as easy as so many people here think. If we have to hire a rookie coach like the Pistons or Bulls have had to do, you will all be crying for the days of the McMillan.........
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Post#28 » by Voodoo » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:36 am

Brautigan1 wrote:Too bad it's not a democracy.


Ever hear of voting with your dollar? It applies pretty well in this case :D
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Post#29 » by NikeZ15 » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:36 am

Shem wrote:Let me ask you this. Can you look into the future and seeing the Blazers competing for the NBA title under Nate?

Think about it. ;)




How many coaches could have navigated the season given all the issues the Blazers went through this year and still wound up in the Playoffs?

They lost in 6 games to a superior team while The Natural was busy being The Meniscus.

We are lucky to have Nate McMillan.

Think about it. ;)
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Post#30 » by d-train » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:36 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:People who vote for Nate to stay are making Portland fans look like poop flinging monkeys.

Poop flinging monkeys is what this team needs to get to the next level.
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Post#31 » by The Sebastian Express » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:37 am

NikeZ15 wrote:
Shem wrote:Let me ask you this. Can you look into the future and seeing the Blazers competing for the NBA title under Nate?

Think about it. ;)




How many coaches could have navigated the season given all the issues the Blazers went through this year and still wound up in the Playoffs?

They lost in 6 games to a superior team while The Natural was busy being The Meniscus.

We are lucky to have Nate McMillan.

Think about it. ;)


How many teams would continue to leave a historically great three point shooting team wide open at the three point line?

How many teams would continue to have 6'11 plus guys switch onto 6'2 guards so they can get beatne?

Think about it ;).
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Post#32 » by Voodoo » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:40 am

DusterBuster wrote:If Nate goes, you ALL better pray we can find and replace him with a coach who's at least as good, if not better than him. And that's not as easy as so many people here think. If we have to hire a rookie coach like the Pistons or Bulls have had to do, you will all be crying for the days of the McMillan.........


Say what? I don't remember anyone crying for Mo Cheeks to be back! In fact the only previous coach for the Blazers I consistently hear people wanting back is Rick Adelman. I think once Nate is gone, everyone will forget about him, because the team will actually look a lot better. Or, at worst, the same.
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Post#33 » by Voodoo » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:41 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:
NikeZ15 wrote:
Shem wrote:Let me ask you this. Can you look into the future and seeing the Blazers competing for the NBA title under Nate?

Think about it. ;)




How many coaches could have navigated the season given all the issues the Blazers went through this year and still wound up in the Playoffs?

They lost in 6 games to a superior team while The Natural was busy being The Meniscus.

We are lucky to have Nate McMillan.

Think about it. ;)


How many teams would continue to leave a historically great three point shooting team wide open at the three point line?

How many teams would continue to have 6'11 plus guys switch onto 6'2 guards so they can get beatne?

Think about it ;).


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Post#34 » by NikeZ15 » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:43 am

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How many teams would continue to leave a historically great three point shooting team wide open at the three point line?

How many teams would continue to have 6'11 plus guys switch onto 6'2 guards so they can get beatne?

Think about it ;).



Nate doesn't close out on shooters.... or find bodies to box out. Nate doesn't go 1 on 3 on a fast-break or get called for a loose ball foul with 1.3 seconds to go in the quarter.

Nate can only do so much from the sidelines. If you wanna blame Nate for playing an ineffective Brandon Roy then go right ahead. I would agree with that criticism.

Who would have done all of things that you ask for from this dream coach?
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Post#35 » by Village Idiot » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:48 am

I both like and respect Nate but don't' think he's the kind of coach to take us to the promised land. Note that many of these comments are not valid for the entire year and are obviously generalizations.

- The offense is very predictable with usually only 1 to 3 players involved.

- No cutters and little movement makes it easy for the defense to target only the players involved in the play

- abysmal execution of the pick and roll. The pick never gets the ball when he rolls. If the guard is trapped the team never takes advantage of the 4-3 situation elsewhere on the court.

- never running despite having (prior to Oden and Joel going down) the best rebounding team in the league and lots of talented and athletic players. Only two players, Blake and Roy, aren't good fast break players. Instead of getting that now one player to yield, the other 14 have to.

- not incorporating Oden in the offense in any significant way. What easier way is their to get easy points when you have a big who commands double teams and has good passing skills?

- not incorporating Andre Miller into the team at an earlier stage

- the horrible defensive coaching and execution. Switching on everything. Not showing hard on the pick and roll. Weak perimeter defense getting the bigs in foul trouble

- not making a concerted effort to target key opposition personnel to get them into foul trouble despite having four players; Roy, Bayless, Miller and Oden who are among the top 50 in fouls drawn rate.

- not increasing the tempo and playing harder despite having a lot of depth and athleticism. This could be very useful in weakening the opposition.
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Post#36 » by The Sebastian Express » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:50 am

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How many teams would continue to leave a historically great three point shooting team wide open at the three point line?

How many teams would continue to have 6'11 plus guys switch onto 6'2 guards so they can get beatne?

Think about it ;).



Nate doesn't close out on shooters.... or find bodies to box out. Nate doesn't go 1 on 3 on a fast-break or get called for a loose ball foul with 1.3 seconds to go in the quarter.

Nate can only do so much from the sidelines. If you wanna blame Nate for playing an ineffective Brandon Roy then go right ahead. I would agree with that criticism.

Who would have done all of things that you ask for from this dream coach?


So Nate has simply had bad luck for his entire career with players who simply refuse to close out on shooters? It was simply the players decision to go and then stay in a zone against a hot shooting team?

Nate simply cannot find players who wont switch on pick and rolls?

Poor Nate, he's almost as cursed as a coach with players who don't listen as Portland is with big men staying healthy :(.
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Post#37 » by NikeZ15 » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:57 am

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NikeZ15 wrote:
The Sebastian Express wrote:
How many teams would continue to leave a historically great three point shooting team wide open at the three point line?

How many teams would continue to have 6'11 plus guys switch onto 6'2 guards so they can get beatne?

Think about it ;).



Nate doesn't close out on shooters.... or find bodies to box out. Nate doesn't go 1 on 3 on a fast-break or get called for a loose ball foul with 1.3 seconds to go in the quarter.

Nate can only do so much from the sidelines. If you wanna blame Nate for playing an ineffective Brandon Roy then go right ahead. I would agree with that criticism.

Who would have done all of things that you ask for from this dream coach?


So Nate has simply had bad luck for his entire career with players who simply refuse to close out on shooters? It was simply the players decision to go and then stay in a zone against a hot shooting team?

Nate simply cannot find players who wont switch on pick and rolls?

Poor Nate, he's almost as cursed as a coach with players who don't listen as Portland is with big men staying healthy :(.



You forgot to answer who would?

Let's get Rick Carlisle! Oh wait.....

Let's get Avery Johnson Oh wait....

Let's get Jeff Van Gundy Oh wait....

Let's let Monty take over!
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Post#38 » by The Sebastian Express » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:59 am

You mean Jeff Van Gundy who gets his team to play hard-nosed defense and not this switching crap that gets our bigs into foul trouble while the other team still scores points? Sure, sign me up for a competent coach who also fights for his players.
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Post#39 » by DusterBuster » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:59 am

Voodoo wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:If Nate goes, you ALL better pray we can find and replace him with a coach who's at least as good, if not better than him. And that's not as easy as so many people here think. If we have to hire a rookie coach like the Pistons or Bulls have had to do, you will all be crying for the days of the McMillan.........


Say what? I don't remember anyone crying for Mo Cheeks to be back! In fact the only previous coach for the Blazers I consistently hear people wanting back is Rick Adelman. I think once Nate is gone, everyone will forget about him, because the team will actually look a lot better. Or, at worst, the same.


I think you missed my point..... Quite completely as a matter of fact. No one wanted Cheeks back because he was a terrible coach and McMillan is worlds better than him. Even the most anti of anti-Nate guys will admit that.

You're saying just having Nate GONE will make this team better. That's just dumb. If the Blazers hire a rookie coach like the Bulls did with Del Negro, all the Blazer fans calling for Nate's head will be sorry. You won't know how good of a coach McMillan really has until you see a rookie coach bumbling with this roster.

I'm fine if you want to see Nate fired, but have a plan. Who are you going to get who's as good of a coach?

--Jeff Van Gundy's offense stinks and he doesn't want to return to coaching.
--Doug Collins has zero interest in coaching again.
--Byron Scott has shown to have a very short life-span on the teams he's been with.
--Lawrence Frank is available, but his coaching skill was exposed without All Stars and HOFers.
--Avery Johnson is out there, but he's best known for getting tuned out by his team.
--Mike Dunleavy is free again, should we retread him?

I mean really.... What's out there?
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Re: Fire McMillan/Pritchard Poll 

Post#40 » by DusterBuster » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:01 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:You mean Jeff Van Gundy who gets his team to play hard-nosed defense and not this switching crap that gets our bigs into foul trouble while the other team still scores points? Sure, sign me up for a competent coach who also fights for his players.


You mean Jeff Van Gundy who can barely coach a team to 90ppg? You mean the Jeff Van Gundy who has on more than one occasion said he's not that interested in returning to coaching?
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