Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade

[PDXKnight]

Well its kind of a meh trade idea but I have to admit Ryan Anderson would fit well in a Stotts offense especially considering that Turner can't hit the side of a barn behind the arc. I'd MUCH prefer a straight ET for Ryan swap but don't think NY would take ET over Ryan Anderson. Perhaps add some incentive?

Imagine the Blazers defense with Dame, CJ, and Ryno on the court

Not saying its gonna be pretty in that respect but at least we'll have some offense at PF. Also hopefully Zach Collins could pick up some of the slack backing him up.

[GEE]

I really want Olshey to make a move that makes this team better, but this ain't it. Taking on Anderson, so the Rockets can get Melo isn't very smart. Anderson may get you 15 pts/game, but he'll give up 20+, and he'll create a logjam at PF, and stunt the development of our young bigs.

I"d rather make no moves at all, than do something like this.

I WANT WADE!!!

[PDXKnight]

I really want Olshey to make a move that makes this team better, but this ain't it. Taking on Anderson, so the Rockets can get Melo isn't very smart. Anderson may get you 15 pts/game, but he'll give up 20+, and he'll create a logjam at PF, and stunt the development of our young bigs.

I"d rather make no moves at all, than do something like this.

I WANT WADE!!!

I'd like Wade too but i can't see that move making much sense either TBH unless he comes dirt cheap. We already have 2 6' 3" guards and Wade is way too small to play in the front court as well. We'd have a massive logjam in the backcourt and probably be left with an even thinner frontcourt since bare minimum Wade would probably cost some combination of Harkless/Crabbe/Vonleh/Collins

[Case2012]

Wade isnt worth that much, i think he'd be a salary dump as funny as that sounds.

[GEE]

Didn't mean to derail the thread, but I want Wade for either Cabbe/Turner and picks or Crabbe/Leonard and picks or Turner/Leonard and picks. I want to dump a couple of these guys using picks because I feel we don't need to get younger, and we need financial flexibility to resign Nurkic. A guy like Wade, Rose, Crawford etc. to make us a three headed monster.

[Case2012]

No way you give up a pick for Wade. Maybe a second rounder at most.

[d-train]

Spurs signed Gay for 2 years. This is a head scratcher.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Does that mean Aldridge goes back to center and either Leonard or Gay play PF?

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[Blazers98]

My first thought was- it gets rid of Meyers! But also we lose Harkless. IMO Harkless is a better player than Anderson. Sure Anderson is a good shooter but awful on defense and can't rebound well. Considering their contract are about equal money for an equal amkiunt of years this is at best a lateral move and a slight downgrade IMO. We need to get something more in return.

[Fitz303]

Turner and Leonard.. Uh yeah
Crabbe and Leonard.. mm. Possibly
Harkless and Leonard.. Not happening

[GreenRiddler]

Name a rookie that played in Stotts' rotation consistently other than Dame? Collins and Swanigan aren't gonna be that big a factor. I don't think we should take them into consideration when talking about what trades NeO will or will not make.

[GreenRiddler]

I'm getting tired of people bashing CJ's defense. CJ is a good defender.

hes not terrible but not good. hes way more feisty than dame tho. i would say average.

So? 1 avg defender 2 bad ones and a really good one. Not to mention Anderson wouldn't start 100% of the time.

[GreenRiddler]

Do people remember we gave Harkless a contract after no other team in the NBA did? I doubt we get a better haul than this for him. I am getting some real throw back l Nic Batum untouchable vibes right now. Role players are role players. This is one that doesn't compliment our stars that well. If you can get someone who does, you do it!

[GreenRiddler]

I agree with everything you said except for the fact that Ryno will help us, and that harkless has been useless in playoffs.

Moe has been better than Aminu.

And I have been a better actor than Rob Schneider. I ain't getting any blockbuster feature films. Harkless was useless the last series, the one before that he had a good game where Klay shot poorly while defending him. I am just saying we need to value 3 point shooting now that we are stuck with 2 rotation wings that can't do that in Aminu and Turner. Harkless is the only one of the 3 that can get us what none of them can do, 3 point shooting.

Harkless was the best acqusition Olshey did the last 5 years outside of dame/cj/nurkic. its sad that our only way to get rid of our garbage is to package harkless with them because hes the only one teams value.

We aren't getting rid of Meyers we are gaining a better player/fit. Also Rolo and Ed were big pickups.

[Norm2953]

Mo Harkless is Portland's best 3-D player. In the back of mind, I'm thinking one of these toxic
contract players we seem so desperate to want to dump is going to have a good season and
a year from now, we're going to have a good laugh at some of these proposed trades.

What would this board do if Meyers for example actually has a good season and playing alongside
of Nurkic is just what he needed to do well. Playing with an above average big, capable of
drawing a double team might open up a number of good looks for guys that can shoot like
Meyers and Crabbe.

[GreenRiddler]

Harkless shot 35% and 28% the past 2 years and has never made 100 threes in a season, even though he has played over 75 games as a blazer every year. Far from 3 and D.

He didn't trust his 3 point shot and stopped shooting the last month of the year taking just over 1 a game with many games not taking even 1 to get that bonus. Harkless is not a 3 point shooter at all.

[Wizenheimer]

well, if Portland trades probably their best perimeter defender for Ryan Anderson, we know that Blazer management places very low priority on defense.

Anderson is a no-defense, one-dimensional player...a stretch-4 with the emphasis on stretch. Portland already has a no-defense one-dimensional player in Crabbe. I guess the Blazers are thinking "why have only one when you can have 2 and get them for the bargain price of 40M a year"....

Anderson isn't going to win more games for Portland next year then Harkless would, but they do get rid of Meyers. Too bad Turner doesn't have a boarding pass in this trade too

hope it doesn't happen

[DusterBuster]

I have a hard time getting strong feelings one way or another with this trade. His contact sucks, but who cares. He'd be a good fit next to Nurk and prioritizing defense feels a bit silly in the GSW era of basketball where you need to score 120 just to compete.... so yeah, give me scorers over defenders who can't shoot any day of the week for this era of NBA. But I like Hark, so if the Blazers dont do this deal, that's fine too.

I'm more interested in the Melo to Houston bit. I can't think of a more ill fitting trio of players than CP3, Melo and Harden

[Goldbum]

I'm getting tired of people bashing CJ's defense. CJ is a good defender.

hes not terrible but not good. hes way more feisty than dame tho. i would say average.

Hes well good to very good against PG's and just average against SG'S due to the amount size he gives up.

As for the trade....eh no count me out. One bad contract and one very good contract do not one very bad contract make... now if it was say ET and Myers.. well then I would happily take on Ryno and his contract... He could really flourish off the bench for us (especially next to Aminu and Davis), and would help free up minutes for Crabbe/Napier and maybe even PlanetPat5.

[Wizenheimer]

I'm getting tired of people bashing CJ's defense. CJ is a good defender.

hes not terrible but not good. hes way more feisty than dame tho. i would say average.

Hes well good to very good against PG's and just average against SG'S due to the amount size he gives up.

both Dame and CJ have the same defensive rating of 113. Portland's team defensive rating is 110.8, so, both are worse then the team average which matches the eyeball test, IMO

Dame holds opposing PG's to an eFG% of .485 and a PER of 16.4
CJ holds opposing PG's to an eFG% of .491 and a PER of 16.5

and it's worth noting that CJ usually was going against 2nd unit PG's while Dame was facing starters. So, if CJ is "good to very good" against PG's, so is Dame....and it's kind of hard to buy that

the problems both have is that they are easily re-directed at screens and find it tough to fight thru, and if they do, they don't have the length to compensate for being a step slow in reaction and pursuit.