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Re: Summer league 

Post#21 » by zzaj » Sun Jul 7, 2019 6:16 am

Dangeruss wrote:I wanna see some domination from Gary Trent. We really need him to step up to rotational quality this upcoming season. He’s our only true SG (whatever that means anymore) and has major upside defensively. Really hoping we get a Danny green type of player out of him someday.


I hope I'm wrong, but Trent just strikes me as one of those hundreds of middling players that looks fine in College but isn't talented enough for the NBA. Right now he doesn't have a single NBA skill, and any defensive upside is going to have to come from between his ears because of his limited length.

Off the top of my head, there were about 4-5 players I thought the Blazers should have drafted in that second round instead of GTjr...

Shake Milton
Khyri Thomas
De'Anthony Melton

and a couple of others that I can't think of right now. I'd take any of those players over him, still.
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Post#22 » by Sinobas » Sun Jul 7, 2019 2:00 pm

Devin Robinson looked like a much better prospect than Little, of course he has no shot of making the team with as many SFs as we have.

Little needs to be in the developmental league.
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Post#23 » by Soulyss » Sun Jul 7, 2019 2:24 pm

Pretty disappointing showing by the Blazers...

Little looked lost, but you can see the athleticism. He will be on the same plan as Simons last year.... practices, g-league, and by the end of the season you will probably start hearing talk like you did about Simons.

Ant looked fine, as a PG he will be more in the Lou-Williams mold than a distributor initially... which is fine, the bench until will need that.

Hoard looked bouncy and did not look intimidated by the moment. call me intrigued.

A couple of players out there (Like Whitehead) hurt the team dynamic and I hope they see less minutes as the SL continues.
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Re: Summer league 

Post#24 » by whatchaknow » Sun Jul 7, 2019 6:04 pm

Soulyss wrote:Pretty disappointing showing by the Blazers...

Little looked lost, but you can see the athleticism. He will be on the same plan as Simons last year.... practices, g-league, and by the end of the season you will probably start hearing talk like you did about Simons.

Ant looked fine, as a PG he will be more in the Lou-Williams mold than a distributor initially... which is fine, the bench until will need that.

Hoard looked bouncy and did not look intimidated by the moment. call me intrigued.

A couple of players out there (Like Whitehead) hurt the team dynamic and I hope they see less minutes as the SL continues.


Yeah to me the worst part about summer league is the undersized sgs playing pg and jacking up shots. There’s a reason young bigs, off ball players and wings who don’t handle a bunch are basically non existent
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Post#25 » by Wizenheimer » Sun Jul 7, 2019 11:59 pm

as DB mentioned, hot takes from summer league games have about as much value as used undershorts at the bottom of a mud puddle...in a pigpen

but reserving judgement is no fun at all so here are mine:

* If Portland is expecting Simons to run the offense, they may be headed for disappointment

* we may have seen the reasons why Little slipped all the way down to 25

* Gary Trent has shot selection that would embarrass Antoine Walker

* Hoard is a good two-way signing and has an opportunity to make an NBA roster

and all of that could fly out the window in tonight's game
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Re: Summer league 

Post#26 » by Dangeruss » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:05 am

zzaj wrote:
Dangeruss wrote:I wanna see some domination from Gary Trent. We really need him to step up to rotational quality this upcoming season. He’s our only true SG (whatever that means anymore) and has major upside defensively. Really hoping we get a Danny green type of player out of him someday.


I hope I'm wrong, but Trent just strikes me as one of those hundreds of middling players that looks fine in College but isn't talented enough for the NBA. Right now he doesn't have a single NBA skill, and any defensive upside is going to have to come from between his ears because of his limited length.

Off the top of my head, there were about 4-5 players I thought the Blazers should have drafted in that second round instead of GTjr...

Shake Milton
Khyri Thomas
De'Anthony Melton

and a couple of others that I can't think of right now. I'd take any of those players over him, still.


He’s definitely an nba level shooter
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Re: Summer league 

Post#27 » by zzaj » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:17 am

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Dangeruss wrote:I wanna see some domination from Gary Trent. We really need him to step up to rotational quality this upcoming season. He’s our only true SG (whatever that means anymore) and has major upside defensively. Really hoping we get a Danny green type of player out of him someday.


I hope I'm wrong, but Trent just strikes me as one of those hundreds of middling players that looks fine in College but isn't talented enough for the NBA. Right now he doesn't have a single NBA skill, and any defensive upside is going to have to come from between his ears because of his limited length.

Off the top of my head, there were about 4-5 players I thought the Blazers should have drafted in that second round instead of GTjr...

Shake Milton
Khyri Thomas
De'Anthony Melton

and a couple of others that I can't think of right now. I'd take any of those players over him, still.


He’s definitely an nba level shooter


He could be in time, but he's not shown it to this point. An NBA level shooter is going to have to be better than 32% 2pt/28% 3pt /42% FT% (yikes) with an eFG% of 37%.

Now, his ex-teammate Jake Layman was even worse his rookie year (except from the FT line) and he ended up being I suppose what you'd call a NBA level shooter...so there is hope.
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Post#28 » by monopoman » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:44 am

Man Gary Trent looks like a **** god in Summer League hopefully we can transfer just 30-40% of this to the NBA.
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Re: Summer league 

Post#29 » by Dogmont » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:55 am

zzaj wrote:
Dangeruss wrote:I wanna see some domination from Gary Trent. We really need him to step up to rotational quality this upcoming season. He’s our only true SG (whatever that means anymore) and has major upside defensively. Really hoping we get a Danny green type of player out of him someday.


I hope I'm wrong, but Trent just strikes me as one of those hundreds of middling players that looks fine in College but isn't talented enough for the NBA. Right now he doesn't have a single NBA skill, and any defensive upside is going to have to come from between his ears because of his limited length.

Off the top of my head, there were about 4-5 players I thought the Blazers should have drafted in that second round instead of GTjr...

Shake Milton
Khyri Thomas
De'Anthony Melton

and a couple of others that I can't think of right now. I'd take any of those players over him, still.

Genius! I hope you got to watch the game..
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Re: Summer league 

Post#30 » by monopoman » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:00 am

I mean Gary Trent Jr. isn't even old enough to drink yet he has plenty of time to find his place in the NBA.
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Re: Summer league 

Post#31 » by zzaj » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:11 am

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zzaj wrote:
Dangeruss wrote:I wanna see some domination from Gary Trent. We really need him to step up to rotational quality this upcoming season. He’s our only true SG (whatever that means anymore) and has major upside defensively. Really hoping we get a Danny green type of player out of him someday.


I hope I'm wrong, but Trent just strikes me as one of those hundreds of middling players that looks fine in College but isn't talented enough for the NBA. Right now he doesn't have a single NBA skill, and any defensive upside is going to have to come from between his ears because of his limited length.

Off the top of my head, there were about 4-5 players I thought the Blazers should have drafted in that second round instead of GTjr...

Shake Milton
Khyri Thomas
De'Anthony Melton

and a couple of others that I can't think of right now. I'd take any of those players over him, still.

Genius! I hope you got to watch the game..


I did watch, and it's going to take a lot more than a single summer league game to completely change my tune on Trent Jr. I mean, let's not forget Swanigan's 21/16 game last year during summer league...

Hopefully Trent Jr. can come in and fill the roll of Jake Layman from last year. I think that would be considered a successful year for him.
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Re: Summer league 

Post#32 » by Soulyss » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:26 am

Much better effort tonight against the Rockets...

Trent had it locked into automatic, played reasonable defense as well... just remember.. "It's Summer League"

Simons played well... I know the turnover number was high tonight but 3 of those were good plays that don't end up as turnovers in normal play (teammates not finishing cuts, etc.)... He's gonna be more like Lou Williams than a distributor, but I think it will be ok. I suspect Portland will find a Vet PG just in case for a minimum deal.

Little looked better tonight, more in control, played physical. His shot DOES look good, I suspect that he's the kind of player that will make significant strides shooting under the Blazers tutelage.

Hoard also looks like a player... This could turn out to be a nice little draft by Olshey.

Nice game, always fun to beat the Rockets regardless of who's playin :)
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Re: Summer league 

Post#33 » by remi_222 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 5:01 am

Soulyss wrote:Much better effort tonight against the Rockets...

Trent had it locked into automatic, played reasonable defense as well... just remember.. "It's Summer League"

Simons played well... I know the turnover number was high tonight but 3 of those were good plays that don't end up as turnovers in normal play (teammates not finishing cuts, etc.)... He's gonna be more like Lou Williams than a distributor, but I think it will be ok. I suspect Portland will find a Vet PG just in case for a minimum deal.

Little looked better tonight, more in control, played physical. His shot DOES look good, I suspect that he's the kind of player that will make significant strides shooting under the Blazers tutelage.

Hoard also looks like a player... This could turn out to be a nice little draft by Olshey.

Nice game, always fun to beat the Rockets regardless of who's playin :)


I watch him since his international competition u16 with France.
Big pb for him is the physicality of the game! His body has barely changed, he needs to hangout with Boris Diaw !
and his (for now) poor FT% and his doesnt dare shooting from 3pts or long 2's, which i understand since he isnt the best at it, but i'd like to see him daring more. He'll show way more in G-League, really look forward to see what he can do ! BIG potential !
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Re: Summer league 

Post#34 » by Shem » Mon Jul 8, 2019 5:30 am

April 4, 2014:
HotrodBeaubois wrote:I never said Dallas was good as Portland


Earlier on December 8, 2013:
HotrodBeaubois wrote:That's the Whole Point Portland is No better than Dallas
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Re: Summer league 

Post#35 » by Pattycakes » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:40 am

Shem wrote:


He reminds me of a YOUNG Wesley. If he stays on this trajectory, it looks good for him.
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Re: Summer league 

Post#36 » by realboredcactus » Mon Jul 8, 2019 12:43 pm

zzaj wrote:
Dangeruss wrote:
zzaj wrote:
I hope I'm wrong, but Trent just strikes me as one of those hundreds of middling players that looks fine in College but isn't talented enough for the NBA. Right now he doesn't have a single NBA skill, and any defensive upside is going to have to come from between his ears because of his limited length.

Off the top of my head, there were about 4-5 players I thought the Blazers should have drafted in that second round instead of GTjr...

Shake Milton
Khyri Thomas
De'Anthony Melton

and a couple of others that I can't think of right now. I'd take any of those players over him, still.


He’s definitely an nba level shooter


He could be in time, but he's not shown it to this point. An NBA level shooter is going to have to be better than 32% 2pt/28% 3pt /42% FT% (yikes) with an eFG% of 37%.

Now, his ex-teammate Jake Layman was even worse his rookie year (except from the FT line) and he ended up being I suppose what you'd call a NBA level shooter...so there is hope.


Yeah his stats last year were bad but he only played 111 minutes in 15 games. Those shooting splits mean basically nothing, but he only played 6 G-League games, and even though he killed in those, the small sample size make it nearly impossible to see how he will be as a true rotation guy in the league. However, based on his college stats and any other times he has the opportunity to play, he shoots well and has a good shot. I think he will be similar to Allen Crabbe, where he will provide a really good shooter off the bench. He does have more potential than Crabbe had, but I think people are rushing and too pessimistic on this guy
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Re: Summer league 

Post#37 » by Dame Lizard » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:08 pm

Pattycakes wrote:
Shem wrote:


He reminds me of a YOUNG Wesley. If he stays on this trajectory, it looks good for him.
I was just about to say that on offense he reminds me a lot of Wesley's playing style.

Obviously on defense he's no Wes Matthews.
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Re: Summer league 

Post#38 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:36 pm

I was just about to say that on offense he reminds me a lot of Wesley's playing style.

Obviously on defense he's no Wes Matthews.


He does have some things in common with Wes, notably they have pretty well build frames and can take contact well, but dont have the quickness to get to the rim at a reliable rate. I think he ends up closer to a tougher Crabbe than the type of legit 4th starter caliber that Wes was back in the day. Matthews also could pass quite well, I dont think Trent gets to that level. And obviously defensively they are nowhere close, as Wes was showing serious defensive potential and motor at the same age.

I always temper my hopes with young guys and comparisons. If Gary can become a 7th-9th man with 'meh' but passable defense and a reliable 37+% 3PT stroke, thats a great R2 return. His tremendous confidence leads me to wanna bet on him to become that player.
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Re: Summer league 

Post#39 » by dunlop212 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:52 pm

Silly to judge from one SL game, but he looked like a different player. When I have seen him before he shot the ball on every touch, generally with bad results. Last night he took good shots and showed some talent passing the ball. Maybe someone had a talk with him.
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Re: Summer league 

Post#40 » by Dangeruss » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:26 pm

Like I said, he can shoot at an nba level. I’m looking for him to value the basketball and find teammates. That’s what’ll get him into a Scott’s rotation. Seems like he has a nose for the loose ball too. Very willing hustler

Simons Turnovers Irk me. We need a Vet PG

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