2023 NBA Draft (tonight's discussion on pg 58)

[zzaj]

Hendricks will be the guy…

[Pattycakes]

I would absolutely send Simons, Sharpe and our pick if it ends up in the 7-10 range for Butler and Miami's pick.

I could see Draymond leaving the Bay after all the drama last off season. Dame's been vocal about wanting him in Portland... Maybe we can sign him to the full mle for 3 years?

Get our pick back from Chicago for Ny pick and trade Nurkic plus a pick to OKC for a tpe.

Tpe plus 2 firsts (one of Portlands and the Miami pick) and 2-4 seconds for Turner.

Sign vet minimum ring chasers. Love, Barton, Crowder, Plumlee, Harrell, Drummond, Warren, Rose etc.

Pick up the options on Thybulle and Reddish.

Re-sign Grant... :/

Dame/Corey Joseph
Butler/Thybulle/Barton
Grant/Crowder
Draymond/Warren
Turner/Love/Eubanks

For the record I don't see Jody paying that bill but I think they're realistic moves that make us a contender. The motor/will to win of Dame, Jimmy and Draymond easily get us to the second round at minimum. Add really good 3rd and 4th options in Grant and Turner with win now vets that have a lot of play off experience and I think we can get a title. It really just depends on if ownership is willing to go all in around Dame and pay a massive luxury tax.

Flame away.

32 years into this life thing.. if we got Dray I’m out. Not of life but of here lol

[Norm2953]

Hendricks is listed at 6-9 210 lbs. Like most 19-20 year olds, he's going to need some time
to gain weight and strength

[Village Idiot]

Hendricks is listed at 6-9 210 lbs. Like most 19-20 year olds, he's going to need some time
to gain weight and strength

He looks like a guy with a frame which will fill out nicely and could become a center. I like his game.

Scoot Henderson has dropped to third in a couple of different mocks. Hollinger has a good summary of the thought process

And yet … when Henderson can’t get a head of steam in transition his play devolves toward ordinary. Opponents go under ball screens and leave him settling for pull-up jumpers, which he takes in bunches but doesn’t convert at a particularly high rate. Henderson also rarely draws fouls, getting to the line just 72 times in 25 games this year. For somebody with his athleticism, that’s shocking. He’s also not much of a 3-point threat, shooting both infrequently and not all that accurately: converting just 22 of his 68 tries on the season

Henderson’s numbers haven’t improved at all (PER 14.9 this year versus 15.2 last year, shooting 44.3 percent versus 44.9 percent), and his most obvious weakness, perimeter shooting, hasn’t shown any real improvement either.

Overall, my takeaway is that watching Henderson is similar to watching Derrick Rose or Anthony Edwards in college, where you have to take the results with a grain of salt and understand the freakish athleticism underlying his game. That said, he’s going to have to develop a reliable jump shot to justify being the second pick in the draft, and he also needs to put more genuine pressure on the rim. Given that he already represents a player archetype – high-scoring, shoot-first guard who generates headlines but isn’t very valuable unless it’s accompanied by high efficiency — he no longer feels like a no-brainer to go second.

guys I like with our lottery pick:

Walker - will never be a superstar but a really high level connector who has a the frame and strength to the be primary screener in the offense. His shooting acumen and excellent passing skills make him potentially an offensive focal point. I project him as a better shooting Scottie Barnes.

Hendricks

Miller - PG13 similarities. Have to wonder about the really bad judgement in carrying a weapon in his car which was used in a homicide. Bad friends. red flag but the talent is there if we luck into the 2nd or 3rd pick

If we can't get one of those guys I'd look to trade out since the rest of the guys projected in that range are guards which is the last thing we need. I don't see any of them having more upside than Sharpe.

what about Whitmore? - worthless if he doesn't have the ball in his hands. He might be Miles Bridges but he might also be another athlete who can't transition into a contributing NBA player

guys I like with the Knicks pick:

GG Jackson - elite athlete, good skillset excellent frame. Similar to Sharpe in that he reclassified at the last minute after being highly ranked in the 24 draft class. Like Sharpe never got the summer practice and then ended up playing for a really bad team and underperformed.

Noah Clowney - another potential C of the future. Solid athlete. Plays the game the right way.

Leonard Miller - has developed really well after withdrawing from last years draft. Good athlete with a high BBIQ. Solid offensive game but weak frame and a poor defender. His massive development during the past year is really enouraging though.

Coleman Hawkins, James Nnaji - good athletes at the PF/C position who could be worth taking a flyer on developing. All are projected lower than this pick.

If Jackson or Clowney aren't there with the Knicks pick I would try to give that pick to the Bulls to settle that debt

[BlazersBroncos]

Jarace Walker is another guy to watch. Houston teaches the game the right way, and for a freshman to get the PT he has on a team that demands such polish is pretty impressive.

I want to say Clowney is the next Claxton but I cant convince myself.

[HoopsFanAZ]

Jarace Walker is another guy to watch. Houston teaches the game the right way, and for a freshman to get the PT he has on a team that demands such polish is pretty impressive.
I want to say Clowney is the next Claxton but I cant convince myself.

Walker is put together. PF size with seriously GOOD feet … quick, choppy steps on multi-position defense. Athletic. Really good at his age. His numbers are pretty modest, but he could be a dude depending on his drive/work ethic/the intangibles. He’s got some Trendon Watford playmaking and paint floaters, but his ceiling looks so MUCH higher.

There’s one shooter in the lottery (outside of the top 3) who looks like money — Gradey Dick. Nice name. He better be good with a name like that. I’m sure a deep dive will show limitations … but a scoring SF with his size and game would be really nice.

[BlazersBroncos]

Jarace Walker is another guy to watch. Houston teaches the game the right way, and for a freshman to get the PT he has on a team that demands such polish is pretty impressive.
I want to say Clowney is the next Claxton but I cant convince myself.

Walker is put together. PF size with seriously GOOD feet … quick, choppy steps on multi-position defense. Athletic. Really good at his age. His numbers are pretty modest, but he could be a dude depending on his drive/work ethic/the intangibles. He’s got some Trendon Watford playmaking and paint floaters, but his ceiling looks so MUCH higher.

There’s one shooter in the lottery (outside of the top 3) who looks like money — Gradey Dick. Nice name. He better be good with a name like that. I’m sure a deep dive will show limitations … but a scoring SF with his size and game would be really nice.

Dick is legit. Just not sure he has the upside we need, which is to say not a #2 option. But then again the chances of coming out of the draft with a guy that can be a #2 option (Outside Wemby) is super low.

If Dick can be even a Kevin Heuter he is worth the 8th pick. He isnt the playmaker Huerter is, but he plays with a bit more bounce and urgency.

[Norm2953]

I'd like to move the pick to the team that wins the lottery for Victor.

If its the Spurs, I'd look to see if they would bite on a mid lottery pick for Sochan, if they felt he
was a poor fit next to Victor. Likewise, I'd see if the Pistons would move Duren, if his fit next to
Victor would not work. Same with the Magic (WCJ), Houston (Sengun) or whoever else wins the
lottery.

[DaVoiceMaster]

I could not stand watching Sengun when the Blazers played Houston. He just annoyed me. Such a whiner.

[monopoman]

Remembering what Toronto wanted for OG last off-season I have a feeling the value has gone up. I heard reports that the minimum they were asking for was the #7 pick (at that time an unknown player), Simons, and a future 1st round pick. That might not have gotten it done but that was the minimum they were asking for.

So just drop any notion of OG on this team, it's not happening. Apparently Toronto values him at a near all-star level or at an all-star level, and it's pretty obvious while good OG is not that good.

I'd much rather go all in bringing a superstar to Portland than overpay for a guy like OG. ****, I would rather roll the dice on something like a Jimmy Butler and hope that with some other changes it makes us good enough to compete.

[BlazersBroncos]

Remembering what Toronto wanted for OG last off-season I have a feeling the value has gone up. I heard reports that the minimum they were asking for was the #7 pick (at that time an unknown player), Simons, and a future 1st round pick. That might not have gotten it done but that was the minimum they were asking for.

So just drop any notion of OG on this team, it's not happening. Apparently Toronto values him at a near all-star level or at an all-star level, and it's pretty obvious while good OG is not that good.

I'd much rather go all in bringing a superstar to Portland than overpay for a guy like OG. ****, I would rather roll the dice on something like a Jimmy Butler and hope that with some other changes it makes us good enough to compete.

Age be damned, if the cost for OG is anywhere near Butler you take Jimmy. I have an odd feeling that Miami is going to do well in the PO's though so I dont see them moving Jimmy.

[GEE]

What to do about the draft... TRADE OUT. Use them to trade for one great Big Man. Who, I have no clue but Mark Williams is still my dream scenario. Maybe the tourney will change my mind, but I don't currently see the draft giving our roster much of a boost.

I hope Cronin will trade both FRPs, Four-Ten 2nd rounders and whatever expendable player it takes (preferrably Little), and adds One really solid BigMan. A Mark Williams or better, PLEASE!

[Norm2953]

Only possible if Charlotte wins the lottery for there is no reason for them to trade a player
on his rookie contract at a position of need (for them).

[zzaj]

This board needs a Tank thread with nightly updates!

[DaVoiceMaster]

We dont have a summer acquisition thread so I'll just throw this in here.


We need a starting center and Nother starting forward. What do you think the following players will get paid?

Thomas Bryant - Denver Nuggets
Herbert Jones - New Orleans Pelicans

Both players are UFA. The Blazers have an $8+M TPE and the MLE. Would that get it done? Let's pretend the Blazers somehow ended up getting Brandon Miller.

PG Lillard / Miller / Johnson
SG Simons / Thybulle / Sharpe
SF Jones / Reddish / Little
PF Grant / Watford / Walker
_C Bryant / Nurkic / Eubanks

The Blazers should offer the Bulls the Knicks pick, as well as the 45th pick and even a future 2nd if that's what it takes to get their own pick back. That roster and future picks allow the Blazers to make a big move.

[BlazersBroncos]

We dont have a summer acquisition thread so I'll just throw this in here.


We need a starting center and Nother starting forward. What do you think the following players will get paid?

Thomas Bryant - Denver Nuggets
Herbert Jones - New Orleans Pelicans

Both players are UFA. The Blazers have an $8+M TPE and the MLE. Would that get it done? Let's pretend the Blazers somehow ended up getting Brandon Miller.

PG Lillard / Miller / Johnson
SG Simons / Thybulle / Sharpe
SF Jones / Reddish / Little
PF Grant / Watford / Walker
_C Bryant / Nurkic / Eubanks

The Blazers should offer the Bulls the Knicks pick, as well as the 45th pick and even a future 2nd if that's what it takes to get their own pick back. That roster and future picks allow the Blazers to make a big move.

Herb has a team option for next year that will be exercised, Bryant isn’t an upgrade over Nurkic and Brandon Miller is 6’9 SF not a PG.

Also if Sharpe is #3 on the SG depth chart next year he is either not working on his game or Billups just has a vendetta.

I do like Miller but I wish he had that Scottie Barnes personality. Leaning on youngsters like Ant, Sharpe, Miller that don’t really seem to have leadership qualities is rough. But who knows, they are still kids.

[Norm2953]

Unless he gets traded, Nurk is going to be the starting center next season since he has three years left
on his deal. What the team needs is a quality PF/C type for the 30-35 games that Nurk misses each
season.

I'd be fine with letting Grant walk, and if the team can find a trade that clears more cap room to get
that PF/C type, that would be the way to go. Team should be able to find a good, young SF type in
this draft that is loaded with SF's to help their front court to replace Grant. Let some other team
pay Grant $30 + million for a player that does not rebound or play hard nosed defense.

[DaVoiceMaster]

We dont have a summer acquisition thread so I'll just throw this in here.


We need a starting center and Nother starting forward. What do you think the following players will get paid?

Thomas Bryant - Denver Nuggets
Herbert Jones - New Orleans Pelicans

Both players are UFA. The Blazers have an $8+M TPE and the MLE. Would that get it done? Let's pretend the Blazers somehow ended up getting Brandon Miller.

PG Lillard / Miller / Johnson
SG Simons / Thybulle / Sharpe
SF Jones / Reddish / Little
PF Grant / Watford / Walker
_C Bryant / Nurkic / Eubanks

The Blazers should offer the Bulls the Knicks pick, as well as the 45th pick and even a future 2nd if that's what it takes to get their own pick back. That roster and future picks allow the Blazers to make a big move.

Herb has a team option for next year that will be exercised, Bryant isn’t an upgrade over Nurkic and Brandon Miller is 6’9 SF not a PG.

Also if Sharpe is #3 on the SG depth chart next year he is either not working on his game or Billups just has a vendetta.

I do like Miller but I wish he had that Scottie Barnes personality. Leaning on youngsters like Ant, Sharpe, Miller that don’t really seem to have leadership qualities is rough. But who knows, they are still kids.

Odd, the website I was looking at showed Jones as an UFA. I would look to do something with both Simon's and Nurkic. Maybe you do Simon's to Orlando for WCJ, Anthony, and their 2023 draft pick. I would also see if there is a deal with Nurkic going to Dallas. Maybe a SHT for Woods? Honestly, I don't care where he goes, just so long as he goes. Not sure anyone is willing to take on his contract unless they have a need for him.

[DusterBuster]

Hendricks will be the guy…

I like Walker a little more, but could see Hendricks.

[BlazersBroncos]

We dont have a summer acquisition thread so I'll just throw this in here.


We need a starting center and Nother starting forward. What do you think the following players will get paid?

Thomas Bryant - Denver Nuggets
Herbert Jones - New Orleans Pelicans

Both players are UFA. The Blazers have an $8+M TPE and the MLE. Would that get it done? Let's pretend the Blazers somehow ended up getting Brandon Miller.

PG Lillard / Miller / Johnson
SG Simons / Thybulle / Sharpe
SF Jones / Reddish / Little
PF Grant / Watford / Walker
_C Bryant / Nurkic / Eubanks

The Blazers should offer the Bulls the Knicks pick, as well as the 45th pick and even a future 2nd if that's what it takes to get their own pick back. That roster and future picks allow the Blazers to make a big move.

Herb has a team option for next year that will be exercised, Bryant isn’t an upgrade over Nurkic and Brandon Miller is 6’9 SF not a PG.

Also if Sharpe is #3 on the SG depth chart next year he is either not working on his game or Billups just has a vendetta.

I do like Miller but I wish he had that Scottie Barnes personality. Leaning on youngsters like Ant, Sharpe, Miller that don’t really seem to have leadership qualities is rough. But who knows, they are still kids.

Odd, the website I was looking at showed Jones as an UFA. I would look to do something with both Simon's and Nurkic. Maybe you do Simon's to Orlando for WCJ, Anthony, and their 2023 draft pick. I would also see if there is a deal with Nurkic going to Dallas. Maybe a SHT for Woods? Honestly, I don't care where he goes, just so long as he goes. Not sure anyone is willing to take on his contract unless they have a need for him.

I think Ant’s value is closer to WCJ straight up than WCJ and a top-10 pick. Also t think the only trade of Nurk to Dallas is for Bertrand or THJ. His value to me is that low.