Summer 2023 Trade Thread

[DusterBuster]

I wouldn't take it as worth anything because their trade suggestions are straight trash, but for what it's worth, the Heat fans definitely are open to trading Bam and Butler and doing it on the cheap for the most part.

Butler signed a 3 year extension and is owed $45/$48/$52m through 2026.

This is correct, Spotrac has the contracts listed kinda weird and the extension was listed separately, my bad.

[red_power]

Lillard salary next 3 years, 45/48/58 mil

Dame might turn toxic at some point as well. So is the fate of aging guys who got maximum deals.

[DusterBuster]

Yeah, Butler is such a wildcard and he's getting to be on the wrong side of 30. He'll be 34 by the time next season rolls around. I guess he would fit Dame's timeline... but is Dame and Butler enough of a combo to make some noise? I do think he'd bring an edge to the team that they've always lacked, and if you get enough other vets around the team... maybe you have something?

Grant-Butler-Sharpe-Dame lineup looks like a mean one though. It obviously misses some serious inside presence so Jimmy is not a bet you would make an all-in call for anyway.

Yeah, and I think this is what I struggle with too. I do think Butler Sharpe Grant Dame is a pretty interesting group. Definitely the biggest team Dame will have ever had, but I worry about the C spot and throwing Sharpe into that starting group. As great as Sharpe looked, he's still pretty young and I could see Butler being pretty hard on him when he has mental flubs on defense... would be concerned about Butler destroying Sharpe's confidence.

On the plus side, Butler's intensity for defense could be a good thing that improves Sharpe and Nurkic?

Not sure I would do a huge all-in call for Butler, but for like 2 FRPs and Simons+Little... I wouldn't hate the deal... it would certainly make for an interesting season.

[Case2012]

Butler and brown are the most realistic trades IMO. Would getting both be possible? Trade the NY pick for our pick back from CHI. Then trade Simons,Keon,Nas plus 3/4 firsts for Buckets.

Trade the lottery pick plus sharpe for Brown.

Or maybe flip the deals with sharpe and the lotto pick for Jimmy and have Simons plus multiple picks for Brown since Simons is older.

Sign Draymond for the MLE play small 5. I don’t see how he’s getting more than this with his age, numbers and history of antics and injuries. He’s gotta be on his way put of GS after obliterating Poole and Dame is one of his good friends.

Dame
Brown
Butler
Grant
Green

That has to win a ring right? That’s 4 all nba team guys with a dpoy and a fringe all star 3/4. Wings win rings and that would be the best trio of wings in the league before mentioning dame and green. Adding to the talent, Dame, Butler, Green and Brown are some of the toughest competitors in the league. I’m not crazy about Grant in that group but it would be hard to let him walk for nothing.

[tester551]

Sign Draymond for the MLE play small 5. I don’t see how he’s getting more than this with his age, numbers and history of antics and injuries. He’s gotta be on his way put of GS after obliterating Poole and Dame is one of his good friends.

Why would Draymond opt out of his $27.5M contract to sign a new $10M MLE deal?

[Case2012]

Sign Draymond for the MLE play small 5. I don’t see how he’s getting more than this with his age, numbers and history of antics and injuries. He’s gotta be on his way put of GS after obliterating Poole and Dame is one of his good friends.

Why would Draymond opt out of his $27.5M contract to sign a new $10M MLE deal?

Idk, maybe he would want a longer deal with more years. I wasn’t sure how much he was making. We could try and flip nurkic and a pick somewhere to free up cap space or s&t grant to GS for him? Both ideas sound bad but I really want Green’s competitive spirit on the blazers, especially if we can add butler and or Brown.

[BNM]

Butler and brown are the most realistic trades IMO. Would getting both be possible? Trade the NY pick for our pick back from CHI. Then trade Simons,Keon,Nas plus 3/4 firsts for Buckets.

Trade the lottery pick plus sharpe for Brown.

Or maybe flip the deals with sharpe and the lotto pick for Jimmy and have Simons plus multiple picks for Brown since Simons is older.

Sign Draymond for the MLE play small 5. I don’t see how he’s getting more than this with his age, numbers and history of antics and injuries. He’s gotta be on his way put of GS after obliterating Poole and Dame is one of his good friends.

Dame
Brown
Butler
Grant
Green

That has to win a ring right? That’s 4 all nba team guys with a dpoy and a fringe all star 3/4. Wings win rings and that would be the best trio of wings in the league before mentioning dame and green. Adding to the talent, Dame, Butler, Green and Brown are some of the toughest competitors in the league. I’m not crazy about Grant in that group but it would be hard to let him walk for nothing.

That team would be absolutely destroyed on the boards. You're starting a pathetic rebounder at PF and an undersized 6'6" 34-year old small ball center. There's a reason Draymond has never started at center for the warriors. They've always relied on having a true center like Bogut, Zaza, Looney, etc. in the starting lineup to battle the opposing teams' starting centers.

Sure Draymond is a great small ball center, but he's not, never has been and never will be the starting center on a team that hopes to be a contender - especially one that's also starting Jerami Grant at the 4.

[Case2012]

Butler and brown are the most realistic trades IMO. Would getting both be possible? Trade the NY pick for our pick back from CHI. Then trade Simons,Keon,Nas plus 3/4 firsts for Buckets.

Trade the lottery pick plus sharpe for Brown.

Or maybe flip the deals with sharpe and the lotto pick for Jimmy and have Simons plus multiple picks for Brown since Simons is older.

Sign Draymond for the MLE play small 5. I don’t see how he’s getting more than this with his age, numbers and history of antics and injuries. He’s gotta be on his way put of GS after obliterating Poole and Dame is one of his good friends.

Dame
Brown
Butler
Grant
Green

That has to win a ring right? That’s 4 all nba team guys with a dpoy and a fringe all star 3/4. Wings win rings and that would be the best trio of wings in the league before mentioning dame and green. Adding to the talent, Dame, Butler, Green and Brown are some of the toughest competitors in the league. I’m not crazy about Grant in that group but it would be hard to let him walk for nothing.

That team would be absolutely destroyed on the boards. You're starting a pathetic rebounder at PF and an undersized 6'6" 34-year old small ball center. There's a reason Draymond has never started at center for the warriors. They've always relied on having a true center like Bogut, Zaza, Looney, etc. in the starting lineup to battle the opposing teams' starting centers.

Sure Draymond is a great small ball center, but he's not, never has been and never will be the starting center on a team that hopes to be a contender - especially one that's also starting Jerami Grant at the 4.

I'm not so sure they would be that bad at rebounding... These guys all get after the ball besides Grant. I'm not really sold on Grant in that line up which I mentioned... You're ignoring the fact that that's the most competitive starting 5 in the league that plays defense, makes big plays, scores, passes etc. Sign and trade Grant for a center and then and move Draymond to the 4? Still have Nurkic to come off the bench for rebounding too.

Come on, you wouldn't want that team?

[BlazersBroncos]

Dray isnt taking the MLE.

The world was shocked when Cousins took the MLE in 18/19 and he was coming off a huge injury that many didnt expect a good recovery from due to his massive frame - and even with this injury it was a league wide shock he took a MLE deal.

Green taking the MLE would be the most shocking Free Agency move in recent memory. Like, nonstop chatter on whether we gave him money under the table shocking. ESPN having entire segments on how this could happen shocking.

[Norm2953]

What would be interesting is what would Portland do if they somehow won the lottery for Victor?

Victor by all accounts is a PF at this point of his career and likely would need a Maurice Lucas type of PF,
who would protect him on the court for at 7-5 230 lbs, is going to be bullied by the tough guys in the league.

In any event, Portland by all accounts still needs that tough guy whether they draft Victor or not and might
explain the interest in the Draymond Green's of the world. With no disrespect to Eubanks, the team has
needed this guy ever since LA left town.

[BNM]

Butler and brown are the most realistic trades IMO. Would getting both be possible? Trade the NY pick for our pick back from CHI. Then trade Simons,Keon,Nas plus 3/4 firsts for Buckets.

Trade the lottery pick plus sharpe for Brown.

Or maybe flip the deals with sharpe and the lotto pick for Jimmy and have Simons plus multiple picks for Brown since Simons is older.

Sign Draymond for the MLE play small 5. I don’t see how he’s getting more than this with his age, numbers and history of antics and injuries. He’s gotta be on his way put of GS after obliterating Poole and Dame is one of his good friends.

Dame
Brown
Butler
Grant
Green

That has to win a ring right? That’s 4 all nba team guys with a dpoy and a fringe all star 3/4. Wings win rings and that would be the best trio of wings in the league before mentioning dame and green. Adding to the talent, Dame, Butler, Green and Brown are some of the toughest competitors in the league. I’m not crazy about Grant in that group but it would be hard to let him walk for nothing.

That team would be absolutely destroyed on the boards. You're starting a pathetic rebounder at PF and an undersized 6'6" 34-year old small ball center. There's a reason Draymond has never started at center for the warriors. They've always relied on having a true center like Bogut, Zaza, Looney, etc. in the starting lineup to battle the opposing teams' starting centers.

Sure Draymond is a great small ball center, but he's not, never has been and never will be the starting center on a team that hopes to be a contender - especially one that's also starting Jerami Grant at the 4.

I'm not so sure they would be that bad at rebounding... These guys all get after the ball besides Grant. I'm not really sold on Grant in that line up which I mentioned... You're ignoring the fact that that's the most competitive starting 5 in the league that plays defense, makes big plays, scores, passes etc. Sign and trade Grant for a center and then and move Draymond to the 4? Still have Nurkic to come off the bench for rebounding too.

Come on, you wouldn't want that team?

"That" team is not remotely attainable. We don't have the resources or salary available to get all of Jaylen Brown, Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green. And you think we can get all three of those guys and still have Nurk? How do we match salaries in trading for both Brown and Butler without including both Nurk and Simons (plus others).

Brown's salary for 2023-24 is over $30 million. So, we can't, as you suggest, trade our lottery pick ($0) plus Sharpe ($6.3 million) for Brown. We're over $20 million short of matching salaries. Even if you add Nurk to that trade, we're about $1.5 million short of making it work. So, add Nurk + another player to that trade.

Your proposed trade for Butler is more realistic, salary wise, at only about $1 million short of working. So, we'd need to add a 4th player to that trade.

And, as has been mentioned, there is ZERO chance of getting Draymond for the MLE. In what world does ANY player opt out of a $27.5 million to sign with POR for $10 million??? This is a team that needs to grossly overpay the Evan Turners of the world to sign here. You think Draymond Green is going to give us a discount to play in Portland?

And yes, even if the impossible happened and we got all three of your targets, we'd get destroyed on the boards on a nightly basis. We were 28th in the league in rebounding this year and that was with 52 games of Nurk (9.1 reb/g) and 51 games of Josh Hart (8.2 reb/g). Here's the averages for your proposed starting 5:

Draymond - 7.2
Jerami Grant - 4.5
Jimmy Butler - 5.9
Jaylen Brown - 6.9
Damian Lillard - 4.8
Total - 23.4

That would give us the worst rebounding starting 5 in the league.

[BlazersBroncos]

Isaiah Stewart would be a nice enforcer fit. Can guard PF and C, developing a 3 as well.

I think winning the lotto just makes it all the more likely we try to swap the NYK pick to CHI and open our picks up for a vet needle mover.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

What would be interesting is what would Portland do if they somehow won the lottery for Victor?

Victor by all accounts is a PF at this point of his career and likely would need a Maurice Lucas type of PF,
who would protect him on the court for at 7-5 230 lbs, is going to be bullied by the tough guys in the league.

In any event, Portland by all accounts still needs that tough guy whether they draft Victor or not and might
explain the interest in the Draymond Green's of the world. With no disrespect to Eubanks, the team has
needed this guy ever since LA left town.

LA was a tough guy PF...?

[m0ng0]

^^^^^^ my thoughts exactly

[Norm2953]

Bam isn't a number one or a number two. I would rather trade Dame for picks than Bam. This is just a bad trade for Portland.

Agreed. If we trade Dame, I want picks and a true teardown. I am unsure why Bam is still seen so highly - he has not developed in years and is generally infuriating to Miami fans as he rarely takes any sort of assertiveness on offense.

As for Butler, I think it would take something like this to get it done - and I would do it -

NYK FRP for PDX FRP Returned

Simons, Little, Keon, #5, 2 Future FRP for Butler.

Bam however is big enough to compete with the big guys underneath the basket and young enough to play
with a next generation team built around Sharpe.

Looking ahead, the next group of bigs aren't as good as Victor. The 7-3 240 lb Spanish big who might be a top pick
in the 2024 draft isn't considered at this point on the level of Victor, and who knows when another of these big,
physical bigs will be available. If we can trade for a 25 year old Bam, it would help as the team retools around
Sharpe in 2025/26.

[DusterBuster]

Dame pretty much confirmed tonight what we said we think will happen. This summer is so or die for the Dame era.

If the Blazers don’t get Wemby or don’t do an all in move, he and the organization seem to have an agreement to part ways.

[DusterBuster]

Siakiam anyone? Raptors seem headed for a full rebuild with Nurse out the door now.

[DusterBuster]

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[DusterBuster]

Ok, crazy idea time: Siakiam, OG for Simons, Sharpe, Nurkic, Blazers lottery pick, 2 futures and 1 swap?

Dame
OG
Little
Grant
Siakiam

[Norm2953]

Going to be awfully tough to do the all in trade for Dame for that just raises the bar higher for the
Blazers to get XX.

The Bulls who have the keys to the trading of the future of future picks might just ask for the #5 pick
just to allow Portland to trade away their young players and future picks for why would they settle for
the 23rd pick? They have nothing to lose in asking for 5 and can simply wait to get a Portland pick in
the mid teens in 24 or 25. If Portland wants to make these big moves, I'd make Portland pay if I'm
Chicago. Thanks N.O