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Re: #3 for Zion?? 

Post#21 » by Norm2953 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:15 pm

If Zion is moved by the Pelicans, it will be to Charlotte.
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Post#22 » by DusterBuster » Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:30 pm

Norm2953 wrote:If Zion is moved by the Pelicans, it will be to Charlotte.


Charlotte doesn’t want Zion reportedly. They want Ingram.
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Post#23 » by Sinobas » Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:05 pm

Norm2953 wrote:If Zion is moved by the Pelicans, it will be to Charlotte.

I think it's more likely that they trade up with Charlotte to get Scoot and we end up with Miller.
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Post#24 » by Wizenheimer » Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:44 pm

Sinobas wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:If Zion is moved by the Pelicans, it will be to Charlotte.

I think it's more likely that they trade up with Charlotte to get Scoot and we end up with Miller.


that actually might be the best outcome for Portland

then trade Ant for DeRozan

Dame
DDR
Grant
Miller
Nurkic

and maybe, put together a trade for Ayton even though I don't like the idea

Dame
DDR
Grant
Miller
Ayton
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Post#25 » by Sinobas » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:04 am

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Sinobas wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:If Zion is moved by the Pelicans, it will be to Charlotte.

I think it's more likely that they trade up with Charlotte to get Scoot and we end up with Miller.


that actually might be the best outcome for Portland

then trade Ant for DeRozan

Dame
DDR
Grant
Miller
Nurkic

and maybe, put together a trade for Ayton even though I don't like the idea

Dame
DDR
Grant
Miller
Ayton


It would be exciting to get Zion, but on the other hand, I couldn't stomach his career turning out like Kemp/Oden while we watch Miller become a very good wing. Miller would probably be able to fit in with Dame much better than Scoot.
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Post#26 » by GEE » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:08 am

I really think that if there was one person in this world that might provide the boost that Zion needs, I'd think that person would be Air Jordan. I like the move for the Hortnets, but a huge gamble if NO will let him go. Not sure of Ingram's availability, but I thought NO preferred to keep him over Zion. Could be wrong on that.

My hope is, Jordan wants to come away with one of Scoot or Miller as well, and would be willing to give us Mark Williams for #3. I'd add heavily if needed... maybe up to 3 additional SRPs along with Keon for filler. Would that be enough to get us our Center for the Future? Man I wish this could happen. He'd be perfect IMO.

Full MLE to RUI HACHIMURA hour one of free agency to be our PF for the future is something I'd strongly consider. Payton Pritchard for some pick comensation I'd also likely try to get done.
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Post#27 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:13 am

Sinobas wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:
Sinobas wrote:I think it's more likely that they trade up with Charlotte to get Scoot and we end up with Miller.


that actually might be the best outcome for Portland

then trade Ant for DeRozan

Dame
DDR
Grant
Miller
Nurkic

and maybe, put together a trade for Ayton even though I don't like the idea

Dame
DDR
Grant
Miller
Ayton


It would be exciting to get Zion, but on the other hand, I couldn't stomach his career turning out like Kemp/Oden while we watch Miller become a very good wing. Miller would probably be able to fit in with Dame much better than Scoot.


I can stomach it. Zions injuries have been much different than Oden since they aren’t centered around the same place like a knee. They’ve all largely been unrelated.

We’re getting the yearly “he’s in great shape” tweets too thanks to recent comments today from CJ. Getting less confident in a Zion trade tho.
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Post#28 » by b33nine » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:19 am

Wizenheimer wrote:
that actually might be the best outcome for Portland

then trade Ant for DeRozan

Dame
DDR
Grant
Miller
Nurkic

and maybe, put together a trade for Ayton even though I don't like the idea

Dame
DDR
Grant
Miller
Ayton


This is where I'm at. I'm on board for a pretender trade that pacifies Dame while not giving up Sharpe or the pick.
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Post#29 » by The Sebastian Express » Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:22 am

Nevermind. I may reverse all my thoughts on trading for Zion. I forgot he had a meniscus tear when he was a rookie. I've had my fair share of meniscus injuries to star players. I don't know if I can relive through that trauma.
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Post#30 » by Sinobas » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:43 pm

GEE wrote:I really think that if there was one person in this world that might provide the boost that Zion needs, I'd think that person would be Air Jordan. I like the move for the Hortnets, but a huge gamble if NO will let him go. Not sure of Ingram's availability, but I thought NO preferred to keep him over Zion. Could be wrong on that.

My hope is, Jordan wants to come away with one of Scoot or Miller as well, and would be willing to give us Mark Williams for #3. I'd add heavily if needed... maybe up to 3 additional SRPs along with Keon for filler. Would that be enough to get us our Center for the Future? Man I wish this could happen. He'd be perfect IMO.

Full MLE to RUI HACHIMURA hour one of free agency to be our PF for the future is something I'd strongly consider. Payton Pritchard for some pick comensation I'd also likely try to get done.


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Post#31 » by Sinobas » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:46 pm

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I can stomach it. Zions injuries have been much different than Oden since they aren’t centered around the same place like a knee. They’ve all largely been unrelated.

We’re getting the yearly “he’s in great shape” tweets too thanks to recent comments today from CJ. Getting less confident in a Zion trade tho.


Foot fracture, torn meniscus, weight problems...all within the first 3 years of his career. NO wouldn't be trading him if those things weren't concerning.
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Post#32 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:27 pm

Zion is not going to have a long career. He is just going to keep wracking up all sorts of different injuries because humans his size are not made to move the way he does. It's a shame but he would need a LeBron level dedication to his body and that does not seem to be his approach.
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Post#33 » by dunlop212 » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:40 pm

If doing this is the only way to keep PDX from trading Lillard to Miami for Tyler Hero, I would be in. Except ... how is this trade remotely possible financially? Could you do it by adding Nurk and Simons? Why would NO want Simons when they already have CJ?
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Post#34 » by HoopsFanAZ » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:53 pm

Sinobas wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:I can stomach it. Zions injuries have been much different than Oden since they aren’t centered around the same place like a knee. They’ve all largely been unrelated.
We’re getting the yearly “he’s in great shape” tweets too thanks to recent comments today from CJ. Getting less confident in a Zion trade tho.


Foot fracture, torn meniscus, weight problems...all within the first 3 years of his career. NO wouldn't be trading him if those things weren't concerning.


CJ 32, Valanciunas 31, Nance 31
Younger Players: Ingram 26, Herb Jones 25, Murphy 23, Daniels 20

It looks like they don’t trust Zion at a time where if they could trust him, they’re ready to WIN NOW. Getting Scoot at PG fits — both with the 4 younger guys … and positionally … and his “low cost” salary. It doesn’t happen often, AND if Zion doesn’t get it together this year, his value goes down. Lowered value, higher risk, and dollars become harder to trade under the new rules. Getting a potential all star PG let’s them justify it. It would be a bit like Dame joining LMA as a rookie.

Portland has reason to do it as well. It’s not the optimal trade with much less risk, but I cannot see a bigger one.
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Post#35 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:13 pm

Here's what I hope happens based on reading all the tea leaves from today...

Blazers and Charlotte
#3 pick, 5 2nd rounders (from GP trade) and cash considerations for #2 pick.

Why? Hornets are deciding today who they're picking between Scoot and Miller. Rumblings are that Scoot does not want to goto Charlotte to be paired with LaMelo and his team is trying to do what they can to avoid being drafted to the Hornets. His team wants to goto New Orleans where he can be the guy from Day 1. Hornets drop down one pick to still get the guy they want plus additional draft capital and cash.

Blazers and New Orleans
Nurkic, #2 pick for Zion, Alvarado, #14 pick

Why? Hornets seem ready to move on from Zion and are uninterested in trading Ingram. This gets them out of Zion's extension before it even starts and they'd get the guy they covet in Scoot who's a marketable player from Day 1.

Then the Blazers go out after that to make a Simons deal with him and the 23 pick. Simons and 23 for Gary Harris and W Carter Jr from Orlando. Take Gradey Dick at 14.

Dame/Alvarado
Sharpe/Harris/Dick
Zion/Thybulle
Grant/FA
WCJr/Eubanks
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Post#36 » by Village Idiot » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:28 pm

Zion scares the heck out of me. Maybe if Herb Jones and 14 are included to take some of the risk out of it...
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Re: #3 for Zion?? 

Post#37 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:54 pm

Village Idiot wrote:Zion scares the heck out of me. Maybe if Herb Jones and 14 are included to take some of the risk out of it...


Doubt you'd get Herb and 14, but potentially one or the other.
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Post#38 » by The Sebastian Express » Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:23 pm

I would do Herb unless 14th could be packaged with 23 to move up to 10 or 11 to pick either Ant Black (if he falls, I don't think he does) or Bilal.

Yes, I am still on that train.
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Post#39 » by DusterBuster » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:14 am

Look, the risk reward with Zion just is what it is. Risk that he’s injured all the time and lazy, but the reward is he’s a MVP caliber player when he plays. He has been that every time he has stepped on the floor. The only reason he’s available is because of the injuries, so you roll the dice on the injuries getting better… if they do you have a MVP player…. Roll it!!
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Post#40 » by jhern87 » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:36 pm

DusterBuster wrote:Look, the risk reward with Zion just is what it is. Risk that he’s injured all the time and lazy, but the reward is he’s a MVP caliber player when he plays. He has been that every time he has stepped on the floor. The only reason he’s available is because of the injuries, so you roll the dice on the injuries getting better… if they do you have a MVP player…. Roll it!!


Exactly, without the issues he’s untouchable. If you think that he will be able to get past the injury issues and Dame approves then it needs to be considered. His contract does have weight requirements and what not to further motivate him, so there’s reasons to be optimistic.

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