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Norm2953 wrote:Agreed, the Wizards board is laughing there is a thread about trading Deni.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
Norm2953 wrote:Agreed, the Wizards board is laughing there is a thread about trading Deni.
Norm2953 wrote:Agreed, the Wizards board is laughing there is a thread about trading Deni.
BlazersBroncos wrote:Norm2953 wrote:Agreed, the Wizards board is laughing there is a thread about trading Deni.
Ya - I think OKC could dramatically beat this offer (Giddey + 12 + 2025 MIA FRP + another future FRP) and I still am not sure WAS would do it.
Butter wrote:DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Butter wrote:Portland Trades
Matisse Thybulle
Portland Receives
Evan Fournier ($19M expiring)
Why for Portland? Salary dump. Fournier's contract is a Team Option next year. The Blazers can keep him for a veteran mentor, OR cut him loose for cap relief. I really wanted to pull the Mavs pick to the Blazers, but sent it to the Pistons to make this deal happen.
FWIW I think they closed this loophole a few years ago. If you trade for a player with an option you basically have to pick it up now. We could have done at the trade deadline but just not during summer. Detroit seems to be getting the better player and the pick which is just a great deal for them, I think if we have to eat Fournier's last team option year while giving up Thybulle+Williams we should be demanding that pick.
DVM - good catch, and thanks for the input. Without Fournier coming off this season, the Blazers cap savings are minimal this year, but pretty substantial next season.
JasonStern wrote:POR trades: Simons
POR receives: future 1st, filler
Future pick for a veteran young enough to keep on our core
POR trades: Grant
POR receives: protected 1st, filler
Future pick for a veteran
POR trades: Brogdon
POR receives: protected 1st, filler
Future pick for a veteran
POR trades: Ayton
POR receives: expirings
Remove a veteran big young enough for the rebuild to free up cap space we won't use
POR trades: Williams
POR receives: TPE
Remove a veteran big young enough for the rebuild to free up cap space we won't use
POR trades: Thybulle
POR receives: 2 future 2nds
Future picks for a veteran
POR trades: Scoot
POR receives: Future 1st
Cash out on Scoot, who can't shoot
POR trades: Sharpe
POR receives: Future 1st
Cash out on Sharpe, who people who have never met him says he has no work ethic
POR trades: Murray
POR receives: Future 2nd
Cash out on Murray, who underperformed
POR trades: Banton
POR receives: Cash considerations
Frees up minutes
POR trades: Reath
POR receives: Future Protected 2nd
Frees up minutes, get a pick
POR trades: Walker
POR receives: Future Protected 2nd
Frees up minutes, get a pick
POR trades: Camara
POR receeives: Future Protected 2nd
POR trades: Rupert
POR receives: Cash considerations
Cash out on Rupert
End roster (g-league stats):
Ashton Hagans - 13.5p 5.0r 10.5a
D'Moi Hodge - 15.0p 5.8r 1.0a
Taze Moore - 19.0p 6.5r 7.5a
Kevin Knox - 21.0p 8.0r 2.0a
G. Conditt IV - 11.4p 8.8r 2.0a
Am I doing this right? Is this what everyone wants? A g-league team but with a bunch of picks that are unlikely to pan out and a bunch of cap space to land the next Festus Ezeli?
Pattycakes wrote:JasonStern wrote:POR trades: Simons
POR receives: future 1st, filler
Future pick for a veteran young enough to keep on our core
POR trades: Grant
POR receives: protected 1st, filler
Future pick for a veteran
POR trades: Brogdon
POR receives: protected 1st, filler
Future pick for a veteran
POR trades: Ayton
POR receives: expirings
Remove a veteran big young enough for the rebuild to free up cap space we won't use
POR trades: Williams
POR receives: TPE
Remove a veteran big young enough for the rebuild to free up cap space we won't use
POR trades: Thybulle
POR receives: 2 future 2nds
Future picks for a veteran
POR trades: Scoot
POR receives: Future 1st
Cash out on Scoot, who can't shoot
POR trades: Sharpe
POR receives: Future 1st
Cash out on Sharpe, who people who have never met him says he has no work ethic
POR trades: Murray
POR receives: Future 2nd
Cash out on Murray, who underperformed
POR trades: Banton
POR receives: Cash considerations
Frees up minutes
POR trades: Reath
POR receives: Future Protected 2nd
Frees up minutes, get a pick
POR trades: Walker
POR receives: Future Protected 2nd
Frees up minutes, get a pick
POR trades: Camara
POR receeives: Future Protected 2nd
POR trades: Rupert
POR receives: Cash considerations
Cash out on Rupert
End roster (g-league stats):
Ashton Hagans - 13.5p 5.0r 10.5a
D'Moi Hodge - 15.0p 5.8r 1.0a
Taze Moore - 19.0p 6.5r 7.5a
Kevin Knox - 21.0p 8.0r 2.0a
G. Conditt IV - 11.4p 8.8r 2.0a
Am I doing this right? Is this what everyone wants? A g-league team but with a bunch of picks that are unlikely to pan out and a bunch of cap space to land the next Festus Ezeli?
If the goal is to undersell all of our young guys and manage to get even worse, than yes David Kahn you have performed well in this mock.
JasonStern wrote:Pattycakes wrote:JasonStern wrote:POR trades: Simons
POR receives: future 1st, filler
Future pick for a veteran young enough to keep on our core
POR trades: Grant
POR receives: protected 1st, filler
Future pick for a veteran
POR trades: Brogdon
POR receives: protected 1st, filler
Future pick for a veteran
POR trades: Ayton
POR receives: expirings
Remove a veteran big young enough for the rebuild to free up cap space we won't use
POR trades: Williams
POR receives: TPE
Remove a veteran big young enough for the rebuild to free up cap space we won't use
POR trades: Thybulle
POR receives: 2 future 2nds
Future picks for a veteran
POR trades: Scoot
POR receives: Future 1st
Cash out on Scoot, who can't shoot
POR trades: Sharpe
POR receives: Future 1st
Cash out on Sharpe, who people who have never met him says he has no work ethic
POR trades: Murray
POR receives: Future 2nd
Cash out on Murray, who underperformed
POR trades: Banton
POR receives: Cash considerations
Frees up minutes
POR trades: Reath
POR receives: Future Protected 2nd
Frees up minutes, get a pick
POR trades: Walker
POR receives: Future Protected 2nd
Frees up minutes, get a pick
POR trades: Camara
POR receeives: Future Protected 2nd
POR trades: Rupert
POR receives: Cash considerations
Cash out on Rupert
End roster (g-league stats):
Ashton Hagans - 13.5p 5.0r 10.5a
D'Moi Hodge - 15.0p 5.8r 1.0a
Taze Moore - 19.0p 6.5r 7.5a
Kevin Knox - 21.0p 8.0r 2.0a
G. Conditt IV - 11.4p 8.8r 2.0a
Am I doing this right? Is this what everyone wants? A g-league team but with a bunch of picks that are unlikely to pan out and a bunch of cap space to land the next Festus Ezeli?
If the goal is to undersell all of our young guys and manage to get even worse, than yes David Kahn you have performed well in this mock.
It seems like we're at the point in the rebuild where everyone forgets this is a for-profit team, pin-points every potential flaw any player has - only to overvalue them in trades, and massively overvalues the possible potential of future draft picks. I feel like my off-season plan maximizes this irrational thought process.
Laugh now, but if we trade Simons for a future 1st, we might be lucky enough in the draft to land the next Anfernee Simons.
Butter wrote:Acknowledging your point, but the bottom line is that when the Blazers traded Dame, they dumped any hope of winning play off series's. This team had too bad of a record to be at the salary apron.
Simons and Grant are good players, butbI just don't believe those salaries match the teams current timeline to be competitive.
JasonStern wrote:Butter wrote:Acknowledging your point, but the bottom line is that when the Blazers traded Dame, they dumped any hope of winning play off series's. This team had too bad of a record to be at the salary apron.
Simons and Grant are good players, butbI just don't believe those salaries match the teams current timeline to be competitive.
Simons is 25 and is on a reasonable contract. If you don't think the Blazers can rebuild in the next 5 years, we have bigger problems than Simons on the roster.
Jerami Grant I completely admit makes no sense. Like I really get keeping Brogon to mentor Scoot. But Grant is a win-now piece on a lose-now roster that doesn't seem to fill a veteran presence. Maybe if we take some wings in the draft that changes.
Butter wrote:JasonStern wrote:Butter wrote:Acknowledging your point, but the bottom line is that when the Blazers traded Dame, they dumped any hope of winning play off series's. This team had too bad of a record to be at the salary apron.
Simons and Grant are good players, butbI just don't believe those salaries match the teams current timeline to be competitive.
Simons is 25 and is on a reasonable contract. If you don't think the Blazers can rebuild in the next 5 years, we have bigger problems than Simons on the roster.
Jerami Grant I completely admit makes no sense. Like I really get keeping Brogon to mentor Scoot. But Grant is a win-now piece on a lose-now roster that doesn't seem to fill a veteran presence. Maybe if we take some wings in the draft that changes.
To me, it's two separate issues. If Simons was committed to being a 6th man super sub, OR if he was a 6'8" wing with a similar skill set, then fine. The Blazers can't play him next to Scoot, and he's blocking Sharpe.
But to your point, he is a reasonable contract with value, so I'm proposing trading him to regain value and even out the roster.
DaVoiceMaster wrote:The Blazers have been rebuilding since Aldridge left and they got rid of everyone else. I'm tired of small guards that can shoot but can't play defense. Lillard produced a to. So you can live with it and he at least played some defense. CJ produced rather well and we overlooked his flaws for a number of years. One is fine, but both together isn't good enough. Then came Simon's and the 3 of them together was bad. Now that 2 are gone, I'm ready to be done with Simon's, as well. I'm not saying he is bad, but I'm ready for a change. That's not to say Scoot and Sharpe are the answer cuz the jury is still out. I'd move Simon's, Grant, Brogdon, Timelord, and Thybulle for young talent and better/future picks.
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