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Re: Game 29 Portland vs Utah 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#21 » by zzaj » Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:07 am

Norm2953 wrote:How did the Blazers look with Bjornson in charge?

Something to think about if Chauncey finally gets the hook and the team goes the interim route


He seems a bit more intense on the sidelines, which I like personally...as opposed to Billups' wink-wink chummyness. I didn't notice any out of the ordinary play calling or rotation things other than Deni getting more minutes. He seemed to have a shorter leash/quicker touch with going with who has the cold/hot hand.

The last possession was a .1 sec affair with Utah a chance to tie it on a lob dunk IIRC. Bjornson subbed in Clingan to front the lob receiver. He intercepted the lob pretty easily and it looked like the Blazers new exactly what the Jazz were going to run (as they should). So that's a good sign at least...
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Re: Game 29 Portland vs Utah 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#22 » by Shem » Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:55 am

April 4, 2014:
HotrodBeaubois wrote:I never said Dallas was good as Portland


Earlier on December 8, 2013:
HotrodBeaubois wrote:That's the Whole Point Portland is No better than Dallas
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Re: Game 29 Portland vs Utah 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#23 » by Shem » Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:58 am

The last 3:45 of the game.

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Post#24 » by Braggins » Fri Dec 27, 2024 12:53 pm

It feels like the front office is inflicting cruel and unusual punishment on its fan base by continuing to employ Billups as their head coach.
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Re: Game 29 Portland vs Utah 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#25 » by Blazinaway » Fri Dec 27, 2024 1:30 pm

Walton1one wrote:Sharpe, Avdija & Scoot led this win, why are the Ant\Grant & Ayton still on this team?

perhaps because Clueless Joe waited too long and now they are becoming untradeable. Really fun game, BTW Deni just gets better and better, and I love the replacement coach sitting Ant/Grant in crunch time - that took balls
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Post#26 » by BNM » Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:45 pm

PDXKnight wrote:No Chauncey. So I'm betting we win?


With Chauncey and no Markkanen: POR loses at home by 42

No Chauncey and UTA has Markkanen: POR wins at home by 2

Chauncey is a real difference maker (for the other team).
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Post#27 » by BNM » Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:49 pm

zzaj wrote:The last possession was a .1 sec affair with Utah a chance to tie it on a lob dunk IIRC. Bjornson subbed in Clingan to front the lob receiver. He intercepted the lob pretty easily and it looked like the Blazers new exactly what the Jazz were going to run (as they should). So that's a good sign at least...


I've never seen Chauncey go with offensive/defensive substitutions down the stretch of a close game. It's coaching 101, but something Chauncey hasn't figured out in his 4th season as an NBA head coach.
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Re: Game 29 Portland vs Utah 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#28 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:23 pm

I can enjoy a win if its on the backs of Deni, Sharpe and Scoot. Fun game.

Get the vet bums off this team.
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Post#29 » by Shem » Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:05 pm

BNM wrote:
PDXKnight wrote:No Chauncey. So I'm betting we win?


With Chauncey and no Markkanen: POR loses at home by 42

No Chauncey and UTA has Markkanen: POR wins at home by 2

Chauncey is a real difference maker (for the other team).

Only a simpleton would think this is logical. So would the Blazers when they beat the Nuggets via Simons buzzer beater would have beaten them by... 15? 20? 25? Had Nate Bjorkgren set the rotations? Especially that move where he benched Sharpe with about a minute left? Did he magically make Scoot hit that clutch shot with 0.1 seconds left whereas it would have missed if Chauncey was coaching?
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Post#30 » by monopoman » Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:12 pm

Scoot with arguably his best game ever, 10 assists vs. only 1 turnover then comes up with the clutch bucket to end the game. If this is a sign of things to come with him, I have a feeling some that gave up on him will be eating their words.
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Re: Game 29 Portland vs Utah 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#31 » by monopoman » Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:20 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:I can enjoy a win if its on the backs of Deni, Sharpe and Scoot. Fun game.

Get the vet bums off this team.


Meh, I am fine with this season being a rough season wins wise we want our best shot at Cooper Flagg. Next year they bring in a new coach and if they get the #1 pick start looking to win games for real.

I have a feeling that is partly why Chauncy was kept around this last year, Flagg might be one of the best prospects since Wemby.
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Re: Game 29 Portland vs Utah 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#32 » by BNM » Fri Dec 27, 2024 10:26 pm

Shem wrote:
BNM wrote:
PDXKnight wrote:No Chauncey. So I'm betting we win?


With Chauncey and no Markkanen: POR loses at home by 42

No Chauncey and UTA has Markkanen: POR wins at home by 2

Chauncey is a real difference maker (for the other team).

Only a simpleton would think this is logical. So would the Blazers when they beat the Nuggets via Simons buzzer beater would have beaten them by... 15? 20? 25? Had Nate Bjorkgren set the rotations? Especially that move where he benched Sharpe with about a minute left? Did he magically make Scoot hit that clutch shot with 0.1 seconds left whereas it would have missed if Chauncey was coaching?


Jeezus, chill dude. It was a joke. What are you Chauncey's agent, his mom, his burner account.
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Post#33 » by Shem » Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:16 am

BNM wrote:
Shem wrote:
BNM wrote:
With Chauncey and no Markkanen: POR loses at home by 42

No Chauncey and UTA has Markkanen: POR wins at home by 2

Chauncey is a real difference maker (for the other team).

Only a simpleton would think this is logical. So would the Blazers when they beat the Nuggets via Simons buzzer beater would have beaten them by... 15? 20? 25? Had Nate Bjorkgren set the rotations? Especially that move where he benched Sharpe with about a minute left? Did he magically make Scoot hit that clutch shot with 0.1 seconds left whereas it would have missed if Chauncey was coaching?


Jeezus, chill dude. It was a joke. What are you Chauncey's agent, his mom, his burner account.

I swear most people think that the NBA is played like a video game and the coach has the controller. So switching coaches is just changing how is holding the controller and making players do what the need to do.
April 4, 2014:
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Post#34 » by BNM » Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:17 pm

Shem wrote:
BNM wrote:
Shem wrote:Only a simpleton would think this is logical. So would the Blazers when they beat the Nuggets via Simons buzzer beater would have beaten them by... 15? 20? 25? Had Nate Bjorkgren set the rotations? Especially that move where he benched Sharpe with about a minute left? Did he magically make Scoot hit that clutch shot with 0.1 seconds left whereas it would have missed if Chauncey was coaching?


Jeezus, chill dude. It was a joke. What are you Chauncey's agent, his mom, his burner account.

I swear most people think that the NBA is played like a video game and the coach has the controller. So switching coaches is just changing how is holding the controller and making players do what the need to do.


I swear some people think coaching makes ZERO difference. That coaches aren't responsible for implementing an actual modern NBA offense, of developing young players, making offensive/defensive substitutions when appropriate/needed, calling a timeout rather than let the opponent go on a 24-4 run, judiciously using their coach's challenge. The very basics of coaching that anyone with any experience knows how to do.

I swear those same people are more than content to continue to employ the worst coach in the league, who has shown ZERO improvement well into his 4th season as an NBA head coach, rather than part ways with him and hire a coach that will actually develop the young talent we have endured three seasons of losing to acquire through the draft lottery. Everyday Chauncey Billups remains the Blazer head coach is day of player development wasted. The only thing Chauncey is teaching our young players is how to lose and how to acquire bad habits.
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Re: Game 29 Portland vs Utah 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#35 » by Shem » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:22 am

BNM wrote:
Shem wrote:
BNM wrote:
Jeezus, chill dude. It was a joke. What are you Chauncey's agent, his mom, his burner account.

I swear most people think that the NBA is played like a video game and the coach has the controller. So switching coaches is just changing how is holding the controller and making players do what the need to do.


I swear some people think coaching makes ZERO difference. That coaches aren't responsible for implementing an actual modern NBA offense, of developing young players, making offensive/defensive substitutions when appropriate/needed, calling a timeout rather than let the opponent go on a 24-4 run, judiciously using their coach's challenge. The very basics of coaching that anyone with any experience knows how to do.

I swear those same people are more than content to continue to employ the worst coach in the league, who has shown ZERO improvement well into his 4th season as an NBA head coach, rather than part ways with him and hire a coach that will actually develop the young talent we have endured three seasons of losing to acquire through the draft lottery. Everyday Chauncey Billups remains the Blazer head coach is day of player development wasted. The only thing Chauncey is teaching our young players is how to lose and how to acquire bad habits.

Still doesn't change the fact that the Blazers just beat a 7 win team and a Dallas team missing 3 members of its starting lineup which includes Luca. What I saw out there in those two games is similar rotations based on who's healthy running the same offense and defensive schemes. This wasn't some coaching change in the sense of a real one when they put in their own system. Nate Bjorkgren just ran Chauncey's system to the best of his ability. That's what assistant coaches do they that have to step in. Meanwhile, you're arguing as if they made a coaching change and the coach put in its own offense and defensive schemes for these last two games against the worst team in the west and another team missing 3 starters and that proves to you that our team is talented enough to make a playoff run and the ONLY reason we don't is because of Billups. :roll:
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HotrodBeaubois wrote:That's the Whole Point Portland is No better than Dallas
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Re: Game 29 Portland vs Utah 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#36 » by playoffs » Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:07 am

Shem wrote:
BNM wrote:
Shem wrote:I swear most people think that the NBA is played like a video game and the coach has the controller. So switching coaches is just changing how is holding the controller and making players do what the need to do.


I swear some people think coaching makes ZERO difference. That coaches aren't responsible for implementing an actual modern NBA offense, of developing young players, making offensive/defensive substitutions when appropriate/needed, calling a timeout rather than let the opponent go on a 24-4 run, judiciously using their coach's challenge. The very basics of coaching that anyone with any experience knows how to do.

I swear those same people are more than content to continue to employ the worst coach in the league, who has shown ZERO improvement well into his 4th season as an NBA head coach, rather than part ways with him and hire a coach that will actually develop the young talent we have endured three seasons of losing to acquire through the draft lottery. Everyday Chauncey Billups remains the Blazer head coach is day of player development wasted. The only thing Chauncey is teaching our young players is how to lose and how to acquire bad habits.

Still doesn't change the fact that the Blazers just beat a 7 win team and a Dallas team missing 3 members of its starting lineup which includes Luca. What I saw out there in those two games is similar rotations based on who's healthy running the same offense and defensive schemes. This wasn't some coaching change in the sense of a real one when they put in their own system. Nate Bjorkgren just ran Chauncey's system to the best of his ability. That's what assistant coaches do they that have to step in. Meanwhile, you're arguing as if they made a coaching change and the coach put in its own offense and defensive schemes for these last two games against the worst team in the west and another team missing 3 starters and that proves to you that our team is talented enough to make a playoff run and the ONLY reason we don't is because of Billups. :roll:

I don't think anyone is arguing that Bjorkgren completely overhauled the offense and defense. No coach can do that in 2 games, and certainly no assistant coach WOULD do it when the HC is just out for a couple games. I think most people are pointing out that Bjorkgren simply implemented the rotation that many fans have been begging for since very early in the season, especially wrt giving Scoot and Deni more minutes and more freedom to create, rather than run a fixed rotation that prioritizes seniority over who is actually playing well. The other day I listened to the Locked on Blazers podcast, and the host was making this point very succinctly.
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Re: Game 29 Portland vs Utah 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#37 » by BNM » Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:41 pm

Shem wrote:
BNM wrote:
Shem wrote:I swear most people think that the NBA is played like a video game and the coach has the controller. So switching coaches is just changing how is holding the controller and making players do what the need to do.


I swear some people think coaching makes ZERO difference. That coaches aren't responsible for implementing an actual modern NBA offense, of developing young players, making offensive/defensive substitutions when appropriate/needed, calling a timeout rather than let the opponent go on a 24-4 run, judiciously using their coach's challenge. The very basics of coaching that anyone with any experience knows how to do.

I swear those same people are more than content to continue to employ the worst coach in the league, who has shown ZERO improvement well into his 4th season as an NBA head coach, rather than part ways with him and hire a coach that will actually develop the young talent we have endured three seasons of losing to acquire through the draft lottery. Everyday Chauncey Billups remains the Blazer head coach is day of player development wasted. The only thing Chauncey is teaching our young players is how to lose and how to acquire bad habits.

Still doesn't change the fact that the Blazers just beat a 7 win team and a Dallas team missing 3 members of its starting lineup which includes Luca. What I saw out there in those two games is similar rotations based on who's healthy running the same offense and defensive schemes. This wasn't some coaching change in the sense of a real one when they put in their own system. Nate Bjorkgren just ran Chauncey's system to the best of his ability. That's what assistant coaches do they that have to step in. Meanwhile, you're arguing as if they made a coaching change and the coach put in its own offense and defensive schemes for these last two games against the worst team in the west and another team missing 3 starters and that proves to you that our team is talented enough to make a playoff run and the ONLY reason we don't is because of Billups. :roll:


Ah yes, the obligatory Chauncey apologist Shen strawman. I am not saying ANY of the things I bolded in your post. I already said the Bjorkgren post was a joke and I have been calling for Chauncey to be fired going back to that all star break during Dame's last season in Portland - when POR led the league, by a wide margin, in blown double digit 2nd half leads at 15. This, when they were a veteran team, with the goal of making the playoffs and keeping Dame in Portland. Chauncey didn't just suddenly become a bad coach - he's always been one, whether the goal is winning now with a veteran team or developing young talent. He is not, and never was, the right guy for either scenario and the (lack of)results speak for themselves.

No one on this forum expected the Blazers to make the playoffs this season, or last. What we expected is developing the young talent we have acquired during the last three draft lotteries. Instead of developing the young players, Chauncey gives the bulk of the minutes and shots to Grant, Ayton and Simons - known commodities that won't/shouldn't be around past the trade deadline. I'm fine with this team missing the playoffs, in fact I prefer it - as long as we are developing the young talent.

Coaching/system does make a difference. There is a very wide range of coaching ability between the worst current coach and the all time greats. Given the state of the roster and a disinterested owner, I don't expect Portland to land a top 10 coach if they fire Chauncey. What I expect them to do is land a coach, likely a current assistant, that would at least be in the top 15 active coaches at developing our young talent. Given that 20 teams are going to make the playoffs/play in, that should be a lot easier than hiring a proven winner. Most of all, don't bid against yourself and give a 4-year guaranteed contract to someone who has zero real coaching experience - and then refuse to fire him, no matter how poor the results because your lame duck owner is checked out and doesn't give a ****.
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Re: Game 29 Portland vs Utah 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#38 » by Norm2953 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:13 pm

Oftentimes, just changing the voice in the room helps. That same Blazers team got beat by 42 points
by the 5 win Jazz by December 6 that was missing their best player but won the re-match with their
best players without Chauncey.

Like it or not, Billups is 81-165 in his coaching career in Portland coming into this season and
the team is 8-20 this season with Billups. That's a record that gets a coach fired by most ownerships.
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Post#39 » by BNM » Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:21 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Oftentimes, just changing the voice in the room helps. That same Blazers team got beat by 42 points
by the 5 win Jazz by December 6 that was missing their best player but won the re-match with their
best players without Chauncey.

Like it or not, Billups is 81-165 in his coaching career in Portland coming into this season and
the team is 8-20 this season with Billups. That's a record that gets a coach fired by most ownerships.


Yes, most teams indeed. In the entire 79 year history of the NBA, there have only been 3 head coaches with worse records make it through four seasons without being fired. Two of the three were expansion teams and only one of the three has been since the 1970 (and he led his team to a .488 record in his 4th season).

Chauncey Billups 2022-2025: 0.332 (includes the 2 recent wins with Bjorkgren coaching, without those two wins, Chauncey is behind Kerr at 0.327)
Red Kerr 1967-1970: .329 (expansion Chicago Bulls)
Eddie Donovan 1962-1965: 0.302
Ron Rothstein 1989-1993: 0.296 (expansion Miami Heat, team improved every season: 0.183, 0.220, 0.293, 0.488)
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Re: Game 29 Portland vs Utah 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#40 » by Norm2953 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:06 pm

BNM wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:Oftentimes, just changing the voice in the room helps. That same Blazers team got beat by 42 points
by the 5 win Jazz by December 6 that was missing their best player but won the re-match with their
best players without Chauncey.

Like it or not, Billups is 81-165 in his coaching career in Portland coming into this season and
the team is 8-20 this season with Billups. That's a record that gets a coach fired by most ownerships.


Yes, most teams indeed. In the entire 79 year history of the NBA, there have only been 3 head coaches with worse records make it through four seasons without being fired. Two of the three were expansion teams and only one of the three has been since the 1970 (and he led his team to a .488 record in his 4th season).

Chauncey Billups 2022-2025: 0.332 (includes the 2 recent wins with Bjorkgren coaching, without those two wins, Chauncey is behind Kerr at 0.327)
Red Kerr 1967-1970: .329 (expansion Chicago Bulls)
Eddie Donovan 1962-1965: 0.302
Ron Rothstein 1989-1993: 0.296 (expansion Miami Heat, team improved every season: 0.183, 0.220, 0.293, 0.488)


Naming Bjorkgren the interim coach might simply be him doing what most of us can see is using Deni in his
Point forward role he's most suited for.

Gives him a chance to at least compete for the HC job for next season if the team does well under his leadership.
Team is a lottery team but really should be better

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