Doncic to LAL?

[Case2012]

I barely watch basketball anymore because of this stuff. Worst trade in the last 25 years. 1 pick for a 25 year old that is already 7th all time in triple doubles. Insane malpractice. I suspect the ownership group had a lot to do with it, not wanting to pay that much money. It's the only thing that makes sense. On paper the Mavs look better than the lakers though. Kyrie is back to his natural position for the first time since brooklyn got Harden, they have Old klay who is still klay, they got Washington, Lively and Gafford, and obviously AD. They have Dinwiddie too.. Idk. Horrible trade for the future of that team but this next few seasons they will be dangerous. The lakers should trade Lebron to build out the team around Luka. That would be hilarious and worth it.

I just can't get over they didn't shop him.I would have traded every player on the blazers roster if i could have plus 5 picks. Luka is that good.

[red_power]

I understand the rationale that made Dallas move Luka but this deal is a total crap for them. I mean Davis is 32-year-old declining injury prone big who is not a num. 1 option offensively. Simply put Mavs got pennies for a dollar here.

[PDXKnight]

I understand the rationale that made Dallas move Luka but this deal is a total crap for them. I mean Davis is 32-year-old declining injury prone big who is not a num. 1 option offensively. Simply put Mavs got pennies for a dollar here.

Exactly.

This is an nba 2k type of trade and is borderline tampering. People can make a case that AD makes the mavs a better team and perhaps he does short term but in terms of market value they may have made the worst trade in the history of the association and if they had to move on from doncic probably could've gotten 7-10 firsts from okc or Utah (or young pieces + firsts) and it would've been a fair ask

[Sinobas]

This legit might be a deal that ends my interest in the league. It was hanging on by a thread anyway, but now, I’m done.

Since only about 20% of team's revenue comes from Ticket sales, what does the financial incentive to win look like for owners? Most revenue comes from national TV deals, which teams share.

The deal clearly makes no sense basketball wise, but creating a super team in a huge market will be good for business. That's why I can only assume this is a shady move to help the NBA at the expensive of the Mavs.

[Walton1one]

This is why betting against LAL bottoming out, and therefore their picks being worth a lot is risky business, they always reload

I think DAL could be better in the near term, but I also agree they should have got more? If the backstory comes out, it should be fascinating as to the why. Conditioning seems to be the prevailing opinion

[PDXKnight]

You seriously have to question which sort of operation trades their best player away without first taking offers from other teams to establish a "fair market value"

[JRoy]

This is why betting against LAL bottoming out, and therefore their picks being worth a lot is risky business, they always reload

I think DAL could be better in the near term, but I also agree they should have got more? If the backstory comes out, it should be fascinating as to the why. Conditioning seems to be the prevailing opinion

Yeah.

Am never hearing that “LAL picks 6 years out are solid gold, man.” BS.

[dckingsfan]

Interesting, did not see this coming. I think that the Mavs were looking at the supermax and said, nope. That they didn't get other offers is just weird.

I guess they wanted to do a "minor" rebuild. They get to move Irving back to PG, Thompson back to SG? or do they start Christie/Thompson. And Davis gets to slide back to PF where he likes to play. They get more "certainty around the cap going forward. I think this new cap with the aprons is really affecting how FOs look at giving out the supermax.

Irving/Dinwiddie
Thompson/Christie
Marshall/Edwards
Davis/Washington
Gafford/Lively

From LAs perspective. They get a PG and don't seem to mind paying the supermax. But they have a gaping hole at C. You have to think there is another trade coming (or they think Wood is going to get healthy )

Dončić/Vincent
Reaves/Knecht
Finney-Smith/Reddish
James/Hachimura
Kleber/Hayes

[PDXKnight]

I think what shocks me the most is id say we got a superior package for an over the hill Dame than they got for Luka.

[Shem]

Utah gets 4 picks for Gobert and Dallas only gets 1 pick for Doncic?

Danny Ainge has good charisma when it comes to selling players.

[Shem]

The Mavs also gave up on Jalen Brunson.

[Norm2953]

I'm still in the camp of looking for a catch. The idea that a top 5 player in his athletic prime getting
is unbelievable unless there was something that really motivated the Mavs,

[Tim Lehrbach]

Still in disbelief 18 hours later, or whatever.

One thing I will say is that this reminds me how stupid the Trades and Transactions Board's policy of locking deals that don't pass the inner circle's laugh test is. I've said it a thousand times and will never stop saying it. There are good and bad trades, but there is no such thing as "trade value," only what each GM is willing to do at a particular moment in time. RealGM is not some marketplace that sets players' worth.

Rant over. Still a shocking and upsetting move.

[Walton1one]

Read on Twitter

He could be right. Interestingly enough, this is what POR identity seems to be morphing into. IF, POR can get lucky in the draft, get a guy like Edgecombe\Newell\Penda you have a team that is stifling on defense, seen part of that recently with Scoot\Camara\Deni & Clingan.

I am not sure that great defense is enough to take them all the way, unless one of them becomes a star-caliber player, AD for example, is such a player, which is probably what DAL is banking on, POR does not have such a player yet (unless they get lucky and get Flagg). I do find the parallel to what Harrison is saying interesting though. This young POR team is definitely clicking on defense lately, they just need that star player b\c until they have that, they are not a legitimate contender, they cannot win w\o one.

[PDXKnight]

Read on Twitter

He could be right. Interestingly enough, this is what POR identity seems to be morphing into. IF, POR can get lucky in the draft, get a guy like Edgecombe\Newell\Penda you have a team that is stifling on defense, seen part of that recently with Scoot\Camara\Deni & Clingan.

I am not sure that great defense is enough to take them all the way, unless one of them becomes a star-caliber player, AD for example, is such a player, which is probably what DAL is banking on, POR does not have such a player yet (unless they get lucky and get Flagg). I do find the parallel to what Harrison is saying interesting though. This young POR team is definitely clicking on defense lately, they just need that star player b\c until they have that, they are not a legitimate contender, they cannot win w\o one.

Man even if it gets them closer to a title in the near term this definitely was a botched return for a top 5 level player. They could've gotten a much better package that put them closer to contention than this

[zzaj]

I don't know if it's because Kyrie wanted to play with AD, or what...but it is VERY weird that the Mavs didn't field offers for Luka.

They just sold low on a player that basically drove them to the NBA finals 8 months ago. Something is up here that the general public doesn't know about.

In the new CBA I guess I can understand the Mavs balking at giving Luka a supermax...but taking a terrible deal for an older player that shortens their championship window IF AD even stays healthy, while only dealing with the Lakers just. makes. no. sense.

[Walton1one]

I would not have made that trade, if I was Harrison.

I would have tried to build a team around Luka, however, they chose differently.

They chose to build around their defensive identity, and AD fits both the defense, and the star, that is the potential parallel that I see for POR, they have the defensive players on their roster, they just don’t have the star

Which is why I hope they tank after the All-Star break, or sooner, they need that one more player or at least another attempt at that player, worst case that player is in asset to use to get that star.

Look what SA did just tonight, that exact same thing, it is because they had the assets to do it and they did not have to sacrifice their core talent get Fox, which is huge.

If Cronin wanted to make such a deal, he would certainly have to sacrifice pieces from their core and that is the situation he has put himself in. That is why it is so important to think of the long-term, why he should keep acquiring assets, so that when the time comes, they can take advantage, because right now if they wanted to do that, it is going to cost them dearly, and that will be detrimental to their long-term success

[Case2012]

I think what shocks me the most is id say we got a superior package for an over the hill Dame than they got for Luka.

Over the hill Dame? He put up 32 points the season prior on incredible efficiency. I cant effing stand revisionist bs like this. Dame is putting up 45 40 90 this year with 25 7 and 5 at 34, 2 years later. Over the hill dame lol foh

[PDXKnight]

I think what shocks me the most is id say we got a superior package for an over the hill Dame than they got for Luka.

Over the hill Dame? He put up 32 points the season prior on incredible efficiency. I cant effing stand revisionist bs like this. Dame is putting up 45 40 90 this year with 25 7 and 5 at 34, 2 years later. Over the hill dame lol foh

You missed my main point, id agree the production was there. Was mostly referring to his age not production. At only 25 doncic should've been worth a good amount more than a 31 Dame at his prime soon to decline

[Sinobas]

I don't know if it's because Kyrie wanted to play with AD, or what...but it is VERY weird that the Mavs didn't field offers for Luka.

They just sold low on a player that basically drove them to the NBA finals 8 months ago. Something is up here that the general public doesn't know about.

In the new CBA I guess I can understand the Mavs balking at giving Luka a supermax...but taking a terrible deal for an older player that shortens their championship window IF AD even stays healthy, while only dealing with the Lakers just. makes. no. sense.

The idea that the Mavs are a contender after subtracting Luka and adding AD is absurd. And why on earth would you not let a bidding war occur for Luka?