Has Thybulle been milking his injury?

[BlazersBroncos]

for his career, Thybulle has averaged 5 points, 2 rebounds, and 1 assist. He has averaged 2.6 steals per36 but that's a pretty meaningless number when he averages 21 minutes

he has a career PER of 10.5 when the NBA average is 15.0; a career TS% of .548 when the NBA median is .576; a career winshare/48 of .091 when the NBA average is .100, and his mark was .072 last season

he's an anemic rebounder, last season his rebound rate was 177th out of 187 qualified players. He never gets to the FT Line; last season he ranked 224th out of 240 in FT Rate. He's an infrequent assist man as last season his 8.3% assist rate ranked 154th out of 187, even though that was by far the highest rate of his career

all that suggests a veteran minimum contract. It sure doesn't warrant the 11M/ year he's being paid to not play. Of course, most of those numbers are on offense and it's well known he makes his bones on defense. But the Blazers already have a defensive stopper with marginal offense in Toumani. If you have Camara and Clingan on the floor at the same time as Thybulle,you better have a couple of near elite offensive players on the floor at the same time. And right now Portland doesn't have a single one of those on the roster

matching his contract was idiotic. He arrived in Portland with an appropriate salary of 4.3M. Dallas, a team not known recently for smart decisions, for some reason tried to use a toxic offer sheet to steal him. Perhaps Cronin felt he needed to justify the Hart trade by retaining Thybulle; but there is almost never a justification for accepting a toxic contract, There sure wasn't in this case

there is just example after example of Portland being unable to settle on a plan and pick a direction. Or maybe they have settled on a plan and that's having a ridiculously expensive payroll for a team stuck in about the worst Purgatory an NBA team can be stuck in; but in a one-horse town that has no alternative product

If your going to point out all the negatives its at least reasonable to note that his career DBPM of +3.33 is outrageous for a non-big. And while .100 is the normal metric for a decent rotation player its also worth noting that on this team his 0.72 WS/48 from last season is better than Camara, Henderson, Grant and Sharpe this year. And close to Simons who is at 0.75.

MT is not a vet min level guy. He is a elite defender who fits very well on most winning teams - maybe overpaid by 2-3M but nothing egregious. We just are not that team.

[Wizenheimer]

for his career, Thybulle has averaged 5 points, 2 rebounds, and 1 assist. He has averaged 2.6 steals per36 but that's a pretty meaningless number when he averages 21 minutes

he has a career PER of 10.5 when the NBA average is 15.0; a career TS% of .548 when the NBA median is .576; a career winshare/48 of .091 when the NBA average is .100, and his mark was .072 last season

he's an anemic rebounder, last season his rebound rate was 177th out of 187 qualified players. He never gets to the FT Line; last season he ranked 224th out of 240 in FT Rate. He's an infrequent assist man as last season his 8.3% assist rate ranked 154th out of 187, even though that was by far the highest rate of his career

all that suggests a veteran minimum contract. It sure doesn't warrant the 11M/ year he's being paid to not play. Of course, most of those numbers are on offense and it's well known he makes his bones on defense. But the Blazers already have a defensive stopper with marginal offense in Toumani. If you have Camara and Clingan on the floor at the same time as Thybulle,you better have a couple of near elite offensive players on the floor at the same time. And right now Portland doesn't have a single one of those on the roster

matching his contract was idiotic. He arrived in Portland with an appropriate salary of 4.3M. Dallas, a team not known recently for smart decisions, for some reason tried to use a toxic offer sheet to steal him. Perhaps Cronin felt he needed to justify the Hart trade by retaining Thybulle; but there is almost never a justification for accepting a toxic contract, There sure wasn't in this case

there is just example after example of Portland being unable to settle on a plan and pick a direction. Or maybe they have settled on a plan and that's having a ridiculously expensive payroll for a team stuck in about the worst Purgatory an NBA team can be stuck in; but in a one-horse town that has no alternative product

If your going to point out all the negatives its at least reasonable to note that his career DBPM of +3.33 is outrageous for a non-big. And while .100 is the normal metric for a decent rotation player its also worth noting that on this team his 0.72 WS/48 from last season is better than Camara, Henderson, Grant and Sharpe this year. And close to Simons who is at 0.75.

MT is not a vet min level guy. He is a elite defender who fits very well on most winning teams - maybe overpaid by 2-3M but nothing egregious. We just are not that team.

good point about his DBPM. It would mean a little more if he was a starter, but it's still great mark

he might get a decent next contract. Hopefully, if he does, his agent will bring him that news soon and he opts out of his final year. Of course, that assumes that Cronin would actually leverage that cap relief into something positive....which I would doubt

[JasonStern]

Wiz is drunk.
"MAYBE FOR THE MLE, THYBULLE WOULD HAVE BEEN WORTH IT!"
He's literally paid the MLE. $11m this season..

it's not me that's drunk

I never said he was worth the MLE. I said his 4.3M salary when he arrived in Portland was appropriate

day drinking followed by night drinking has a negative cumulative impact...talk to your doctor

Sweet of you to think I can afford American health care in 2025. <3

[Wizenheimer]

Wiz is drunk.
"MAYBE FOR THE MLE, THYBULLE WOULD HAVE BEEN WORTH IT!"
He's literally paid the MLE. $11m this season..

it's not me that's drunk

I never said he was worth the MLE. I said his 4.3M salary when he arrived in Portland was appropriate

day drinking followed by night drinking has a negative cumulative impact...talk to your doctor

Sweet of you to think I can afford American health care in 2025. <3

how far are you from Tijauna?

[JasonStern]

it's not me that's drunk

I never said he was worth the MLE. I said his 4.3M salary when he arrived in Portland was appropriate

day drinking followed by night drinking has a negative cumulative impact...talk to your doctor

Sweet of you to think I can afford American health care in 2025. <3

how far are you from Tijauna?

I don't think Tijuana wants me back.

[Walton1one]

Apparently practicing and scheduled to play the next home stand

Whose minutes will Thybulle take?

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[PDXKnight]

Apparently practicing and scheduled to play the next home stand

Whose minutes will Thybulle take?

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Scoot and sharpe

[DusterBuster]

Season out of reach, no other game matters, now coming back…

[JasonStern]

Season out of reach, no other game matters, now coming back…

Eh. I don't think it really matters. He isn't opting out of his player option for next season. Plus it would be fun to see him get some burn with Camara, as they are our two best defenders.

[monopoman]

He had a pretty damn solid first game back, especially after being out with an injury for nearly one full year. That final block on a 3 point shot to seal the win was very impressive.

[BNM]

Apparently practicing and scheduled to play the next home stand

Whose minutes will Thybulle take?

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Scoot and sharpe

At this point in the season, I'd greatly prefer Thybulle taking minutes from Simons. Shut Simons down already. He is what he is. We should be starting Scoot, Shaedon, Toumani, Deni and Clingan.

Let Thybulle come off the bench to back up Shaedon and Toumani. Deni can run the offense when Scoot sits, with Thybulle guarding the opposing PG.

It really is a shame we can't create a player with Simons' offense and Thybulle's defense.

[Walton1one]

It was nice to see Thybulle come back from his near season long injury and show proof of life, and actually contribute on a few plays, but it was cringe worthy watching Blazer broadcasting and their media sycophants rave about his performance afterwards. These people literally have no shame for the schilling they do.

Michael Holton actually called it the best 6min of basketball he has seen from a player this year, really Michael? Is your contract up or something? What a joke.

He had a couple of decent plays, but let's be real here, they were against G-league level players, bench scrubs and mid season cast offs.

Orlando Robinson, whose shot Thybulle blocked, has been cut too many times to count, this year alone he is on his 3rd team. Hardly praise worth stuff.

[PDXKnight]

It was nice to see Thybulle come back from his near season long injury and show proof of life, and actually contribute on a few plays, but it was cringe worthy watching Blazer broadcasting and their media sycophants rave about his performance afterwards. These people literally have no shame for the schilling they do.

Michael Holton actually called it the best 6min of basketball he has seen from a player this year, really Michael? Is your contract up or something? What a joke.

He had a couple of decent plays, but let's be real here, they were against G-league level players, bench scrubs and mid season cast offs.

Orlando Robinson, whose shot Thybulle blocked, has been cut too many times to count, this year alone he is on his 3rd team. Hardly praise worth stuff.

Thy is a solid defensive player i think we all know this much. Indeed was only 6 minutes against meh players but he did what we've seen him do throughout his time here which is play great defense. But he has a pretty limited offensive skillset and should probably be coming off the bench for a playoff team, we should've moved on from him as soon as Dallas offered him that payday but hindsight is 20/20

[monopoman]

Yeah, acting like he can't do this is just absurd this is exactly what he has done since his time in Portland when healthy. In fact the main reason he looks better now though is the team is better defensively and when you combine him with a top tier defender like Clingan or Camara the potential is off the charts.

None of these guys are going to typically drop jaw dropping stats but they are some of the most win contributing players on this team, especially since our shooters like Scoot, Sharpe, and Simons are far more streaky on that end.

He also followed up that game with an even better one against the Wizards, sure it's another team struggling to win but they do have decent players. This Wizards team also just stole a game from the Nuggets recently.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Id like to see Scoot, Thybulle, Camara, Deni, and Clingan on the court together just for a defensive stance. That could be fun to watch.

[Walton1one]

Thybulle has always been known as a + defender, however the issue with him is that he is a negative offensive player.

Coming up with defensive plays against g-league level players is not a praise worthy feat though, is it?

At some point Cronin may want to think about investing in offensive players? I mean, it is kind of important to be able to score.

Right now, POR ranks 23rd in EFG%, 23rd in TS% & 25th in offensive efficiency, 28th in AST & 29th in TO

Don't think Thybulle is going to help in those areas.....

[Case2012]

Thybulle got way too much hate while he was out. He's an all defense player when healthy and showed he could be an average 3 point shooter. You can't have too many pf those guys. If this team had a real star, like the one you could have added in this draft, they have a nice team of role players. Dame with this team would have been fun as hell. I think Joe gets the pick back and offers like 4 of them for Trae or Zion still... =/

[Walton1one]

Trae and Zion are not leading this team anywhere....

Zion can't stay healthy or in shape for that matter and is way to big of a risk for POR to take.

Trae is a good player, but small, are they really going to go back to the two small guard lineup with Trae\Simons? and if so, what about Scoot? What about Sharpe? I doubt Simons is going to resign to come off the bench for this team...

[DusterBuster]

Trae and Zion are not leading this team anywhere....

Zion can't stay healthy or in shape for that matter and is way to big of a risk for POR to take.

Trae is a good player, but small, are they really going to go back to the two small guard lineup with Trae\Simons? and if so, what about Scoot? What about Sharpe? I doubt Simons is going to resign to come off the bench for this team...

I mean, what player is there then on the trade market? If a team is open to moving a star level player, there's ALWAYS going to be something to nitpick about said player. Teams usually aren't moving All Star level players unless there's something that just doesn't work for them anymore or other teams might be concerned about (Luka trade aside, but that's an outlier).

If a team just isn't every going to be willing to make a trade because player X isn't this, or player Y has this concern, then I guess we should just take the trade route off the table for getting a All Star level player and just only focus on the draft since 2 of the 3 player acquisition drivers are off the table... which then makes the season the team just went through all the more insane.

[Walton1one]

This year I really don't think there will be such a player on the market, unless you view guys like: RJ Barrett (24), LaMelo Ball (23), Trae (26) or Zion (24) as players who could lead this team to a title, and the cost for any of them (maybe outside of Barrett) is going to be prohibitive & I am not convinced that each of those guys is even available to begin with. Particularly Ball & Zion, and even if they were I would not want either player (for differing reasons)

There have been some rumors about Ja Morant potentially could be available, I would be surprised, but he would be a guy worth the investment however, their GM shut those down quick (as he should).

Memphis Grizzlies general manager Zach Kleiman is setting the record straight about trade rumors surrounding franchise superstar Ja Morant. Essentially, if your favorite team is hoping to trade for the All-Star guard, the Grizzlies are not answering the phone call...Trade speculation about Morant first surfaced when The Ringer's Howard Beck, in a conversation on the "Real Ones" podcast about other star players who could potentially be traded, said he was told to "keep an eye on Ja [Morant]"...Kleiman, though, is getting out in front of those rumors and doing his best to squash them entirely.

"I can't blame other 'executives' for fantasizing about us trading Ja,' Kleiman said via Daily Memphian's Drew Hill. "But it's just that -- fantasy. We are not trading Ja. Continue to underestimate Ja, this team and this city, and we will let our performance on the floor speak for itself. I'm not going to give this nonsense further oxygen and look forward to getting back to basketball."

...Morant has given the Grizzlies some headaches, but there has been no indication that there is a disconnect between Morant and Memphis' front office.

Could you pry Jaden McDaniels away from MIN with the whole Naz Reid contract coming up and their salary situation? maybe? However, they would not offer him up in talks for Durant earlier this year apparently

"The Timberwolves aggressively pursued Durant in trade talks before the deadline and are expected to circle the wagon again this summer, but were unwilling to part with star guard Anthony Edwards and versatile forward Jaden McDaniels in discussions, league sources told HoopsHype," he wrote. "Instead, Timberwolves forward Julius Randle and guard Donte DiVincenzo were discussed as part of trade talks for Durant."

Scotto added that Naz Reid "drew interest from the Suns" in those talks. Reid will decline his player option this summer and hit free agency, but the Wolves are hoping to keep him around on a new long-term contract.

Nor do I think McDaniels is a "star"

I would expect Durant to be dealt this offseason for players\picks, as PHX retools around Booker, but MIN & HOU are the favorites there. HOU particularly makes sense, given that HOU holds some of PHX future picks and they could use those and a young player or two to get Durant, and then I would look to PHX to try and flip some of those picks\young players for more veteran players to build around Booker. Maybe POR could interest them in Simons\Grant\Thybulle or Williams? lol

Trae, if you got rid of Simons and\or Scoot could work alongside Sharpe. But you get him, I would imagine Scoot is part of the return package and then Simons\Trae fit is a worse combination than Dame\CJ was and we all know how that turned out.

Framework of an Ayton\Scoot\25' 1st + another 1st? could possibly work for Trae, and Scoot would fit in nicely with their young core of Johnson (23), Daniels (21), Okongwu (24) & Risacher (19). ATL has two 25' 1st's already though, #14/#24 currently, so POR could flip 11/12 for #24 and then throw in a 29' pick or 31' pick, just hope it would not be the best of 29' pick, but chances are it would be....

Does Trae\Sharpe\Camara\Deni\DC excite you?

Not sure where Simons fits? doubt he comes off the bench for Sharpe & if Billups returns, you know POR is rolling out a Trae\Simons backcourt, so Sharpe off the bench, with Grant (who is he going to start over?), probably keep RW3 (and pray he stays healthy enough) and Thybulle being first (4) off the bench? Then you have a collection of Banton\Murray, maybe Walker\Rupert and who knows else as depth options.

I mean congratulations? You just recreated the Dame led Blazers?