Trade back for Lillard?

[Case2012]

They drafted Dame's replacement to force him to ask out after lying to his face and our faces for that matter about using those picks to get him help. Jody didn't want to pay him and when he rescinded his request she said, no, eff him trade him. That's been reported by haynes, another reason i hate these people. Shady ass organization. They forced him out then acted like the victim.

There's zero chance they trade for him back as long as that woman holds this team hostage and keeps writing herself checks instead of donating it the charities her brother explicitly said to do with his dying wish 6 years ago. That always bothers the hell out of me. Pocketing hundreds of millions every year- like she does doesn't have money already- and keeping it out of the hands of cancer research companies etc. That is some wild stuff and it never gets talked about.

You'd think Paul, who owned the team for 20+ years, would have a little more respect from the league and step in and force a sale to honor his wishes since his own sister won't.

This team would be perfect for Dame. It's the ideal team if we added a few more shooters and i would love if Dame came back and finished his career here. He's still putting 25, 7, and 5 on good efficiency. If the blood clot thing is handled ok, then why not? He's exactly what this team needs. Trade Scoot for shooters. We'd be a 50 win team. Never gonna happen though.

[Butter]

Ironically, Dame is a perfect fit next to Avdija. I was actually thinking about the idea if sending the Bucks Scoot with Grant to get to a salary dump the other day

Not an f*ING chance... none, zip, nil, nada

You're probably right, but probably not for the reason your thinking.

The primary benefit could be dumping Grant, and other salaries, without giving back draft capital. It could be Grant and Simon - ish.

But, I can't get the salaries to work.

[DusterBuster]

Ironically, Dame is a perfect fit next to Avdija. I was actually thinking about the idea if sending the Bucks Scoot with Grant to get to a salary dump the other day

Not an f*ING chance... none, zip, nil, nada

You're probably right, but probably not for the reason your thinking.

The primary benefit could be dumping Grant, and other salaries, without giving back draft capital. It could be Grant and Simon - ish.

But, I can't get the salaries to work.

Dame and Kuz for Grant, Simons and Williams3 works. Kuzma sucks, but probably helps in not having to give up draft assets to get him off the Bucks hands. Bucks carry and extra year of salary with Grant, but cut their salary obligations in have quite a bit earlier.

Of course, that ignores the Blazers salary obligations on the other side... Likely that's why a deal like this would never get done even more than the weirdness of a reunion with Dame.

[Walton1one]

Ironically, Dame is a perfect fit next to Avdija. I was actually thinking about the idea if sending the Bucks Scoot with Grant to get to a salary dump the other day

Not an f*ING chance... none, zip, nil, nada

You're a classic Dame hater, so I get this response, but seriously, if the Blazers are just going to keep not developing Scoot as they have for the past 2 years, what's the point of keeping this going with Scoot? Ignoring Dame, but if you aren't going to ever trust Scoot, then trade his ass for whatever you can still get and take the L on that pick.

Dame is not what he was, and he is not getting any younger either...

and POR does not need to dump Grant, should they try and get off his contract? Yes, but not at the cost of tying an asset to it, and Dame would bring MORE salary back $54/$58 over the next 2 year, compared to Grant ($32/34/36) all to save 1 PO year on Grant?

Also, I don't trust Dame's game\body to hold up when he is 36/37

Scoot will still be 21 next year, you don't trade that away to save a year on Grant and bring back an aging guy who left here acrimoniously

[DusterBuster]

Not an f*ING chance... none, zip, nil, nada

You're a classic Dame hater, so I get this response, but seriously, if the Blazers are just going to keep not developing Scoot as they have for the past 2 years, what's the point of keeping this going with Scoot? Ignoring Dame, but if you aren't going to ever trust Scoot, then trade his ass for whatever you can still get and take the L on that pick.

Dame is not what he was, and he is not getting any younger either...

and POR does not need to dump Grant, should they try and get off his contract? Yes, but not at the cost of tying an asset to it, and Dame would bring MORE salary back $54/$58 over the next 2 year, compared to Grant ($32/34/36) all to save 1 PO year on Grant?

Also, I don't trust Dame's game\body to hold up when he is 36/37

Scoot will still be 21 next year, you don't trade that away to save a year on Grant and bring back an aging guy who left here acrimoniously

Again, ignoring Dame, if Portland isn’t going to develop Scoot by giving him the starting role, who cares? They should move Scoot if they aren’t going to develop him or don’t believe in him anymore.

It’s a bit of a side tangent point, just **** or get off the pot with Scoot

[m0ng0]

Ironically, Dame is a perfect fit next to Avdija. I was actually thinking about the idea if sending the Bucks Scoot with Grant to get to a salary dump the other day

Not an f*ING chance... none, zip, nil, nada

You're a classic Dame hater, so I get this response, but seriously, if the Blazers are just going to keep not developing Scoot as they have for the past 2 years, what's the point of keeping this going with Scoot? Ignoring Dame, but if you aren't going to ever trust Scoot, then trade his ass for whatever you can still get and take the L on that pick.

That's funny, I guess that makes you a "classic" Dame honk. No one has been taking scoots minutes or shots...wtf are you talking about?

[PDXKnight]

As has been said already I'd only do a deal for Dame if the terms were favorable, wouldn't pay anything close to a kings ransom. Dame is regressing and should be a number 2 and we will see if he can be that effectively as he hasnt really in milwaukee.. Ant or Grant/ayton/scoot is sort of my best offer which i think would be topped by somebody but it's not worth giving up valuable assets with where we are on our trajectory. Now in 2 years if Dame wants to sign as a fa I'd be all ears even if he's only a 6th man at that point.

[Walton1one]

You're a classic Dame hater, so I get this response, but seriously, if the Blazers are just going to keep not developing Scoot as they have for the past 2 years, what's the point of keeping this going with Scoot? Ignoring Dame, but if you aren't going to ever trust Scoot, then trade his ass for whatever you can still get and take the L on that pick.

Dame is not what he was, and he is not getting any younger either...

and POR does not need to dump Grant, should they try and get off his contract? Yes, but not at the cost of tying an asset to it, and Dame would bring MORE salary back $54/$58 over the next 2 year, compared to Grant ($32/34/36) all to save 1 PO year on Grant?

Also, I don't trust Dame's game\body to hold up when he is 36/37

Scoot will still be 21 next year, you don't trade that away to save a year on Grant and bring back an aging guy who left here acrimoniously

Again, ignoring Dame, if Portland isn’t going to develop Scoot by giving him the starting role, who cares? They should move Scoot if they aren’t going to develop him or don’t believe in him anymore.

It’s a bit of a side tangent point, just **** or get off the pot with Scoot

No argument from me that Billups\Cronin in Scoot's first 2 years of development, have done him no favors...

[Sinobas]

Dame averaged 25/7 with a TS% of 62, which is really efficient. I don't see why he can't have a good two years left, like what Curry and Nash did at age 35/36.

The financial impact would be a total wash in year 1, and in year 2, only Sharpe is do. And if we unload Grant, it would actually be a financial benefit.

Another thing to keep in mind is that we lose our pick the next time we make the playoffs, so we may as well be as good as we can be.

[Wizenheimer]

Dame is not what he was, and he is not getting any younger either...

he's 34, so yeah, he's not what he was, but he's pretty close, and in some ways better. He's averaging 25 & 7 this year as a 2nd option. A .621 TS% when his career mark is .590. For his career he has averaged 1.36 points/shot; this season, he's averaged 1.46. He's a really savvy offensive player and savvy players can offset aging for several years. Curry is 37 by the way; and CP3 is 39, about to turn 40, and will play all 82 games this year

as far as salary, if you're like me and believe Cronin might very well re-sign Simons (for some idiotic reason), and further assume it will be for at least 30M/year (probably closer to 35M), then....

for the next 2 seasons Dame would cost 56M/year while Simons + Grant would cost 65-70M/year. And in my view, the Blazers would be a much better team over the next 2 seasons with Dame than with Simons and Grant

that won't happen obviously because if the Bucks go that route they may opt for a full rebuild and trade Giannis too. Ant's expiring contract might be attractive; Grant's would not be.

Now, maybe the expiring contracts of Simons and Ayton would really appeal to the Bucks. Dame for Simons and Ayton? I'd do it but I'm a Dame fan. But I wouldn't add much, if any, draft capital. Maybe the worst of Portland's 2029 first's, at most.

[Case2012]

The Dame isn't what he was BS is just a comfortable narrative the Dame haters have been trying to use for years. It's not rooted in reality, it just makes them feel better about the narrative they tell themselves that rebuilding was a better move.

People just decide things and then live with that perspective whether or not it's true or based on evidence. I feel embarrassed for people on twitter or even here that have saying this nonsense for years.

he's 34, of course he's not playing like he's 28, people get older but he's still an all star level talent and one of the best scorers in the game.

[dckingsfan]

I have no dog in this fight - I wasn't here when it happened.

Actually, if you go by the numbers - the two seasons in Milwaukee have been among his worst. But none are down materially.

VORP, WS/48, Assist and TO ratios are down on offense. TS% is up and usage is down. Blocks are down and steals are up his overall defensive rating are in the middle.

What it looks like is a slow decline.

[dckingsfan]

One more thing - why does Milwaukee do this? What would Milwaukee want in return?

I would presume Ayton could be the Lopez replacement. They would need either Scoot or Simons. If it is Simons, that trade wouldn't work without additional players.

[DaVoiceMaster]

I'd bring Lillard back in a heartbeat. I wouldn't want to give up much though. Grant & Simons would be fairly comparable overall. Maybe Milwaukee has another contract they want to move in return for RW3.

PG Lilard / Scoot
SG Sharpe / Thybulle
SF Camara / Rupert / Murray
PF Avdija / #9
_C Ayton / Clingan / Reath

That leaves a few roster spots open to fill with veterans. Lillard's leadership with this young team would be amazing.

[oldfishermen]

The Bucks went all in trading for Dame. They mortgaged their future to be a serious contender for a championship. If Dame's health holds up. They still have a chance.

If the Bucks trade Dame for the offers in this thread, they have no chance at a ring. And they do not have enough future assets to give them another chance, within Giannis's timeline.

[BigPuma]

I agree that I would only trade for Dame if he was cheap, which he won't be, so it's not happening.

I just think it is so ironic that for Dame's entire Portland career we tried to build a roster that fits around an elite scoring guard with defensive liabilities, but failed repeatedly. When we traded him, we ended up with a roster that is PERFECT for an elite scoring guard with defensive liabilities. Unfortunately neither Ant nor Scoot is good enough to fill that role.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Take Grant and Simons for Dame to the Milwaukee board, lol.

[Sinobas]

Take Grant and Simons for Dame to the Milwaukee board, lol.

I think Grant has quite a bit of negative trade value right now. Cronin **** that up royally. But what about Ayton/Simons and 1 of their swaps back?

They are also looking at having to pay KPJ in a couple of years, Dame's final year.

[Butter]

Take Grant and Simons for Dame to the Milwaukee board, lol.

I did

[Butter]

Take Grant and Simons for Dame to the Milwaukee board, lol.

I think Grant has quite a bit of negative trade value right now. Cronin **** that up royally. But what about Ayton/Simons and 1 of their swaps back?

They are also looking at having to pay KPJ in a couple of years, Dame's final year.

The Blazers might have to offer Scoot or Sharp. It would represent future value to the Bucks for a team with almost no draft capital.