Toumani in line for $67M 4-year extension?

[tester551]

Hmmm, no news on extension? was it officially offered?

I'm sure it was offered.

There is some incentive (and risk) for Tou to push off the contract extension until next summer. Blazers can't force Tou to accept the deal.

From the Blazer's side, there is very little risk of Tou leaving any time soon. Worst case is he becomes a RFA next summer and Blazers extend (or match a contract) then.

Blazers have all the way until the beginning of the season to come to an agreement about his contract.

[m0ng0]

If that's the deal, I hope Camara takes it, its fair and i hope it gives him the feeling he has been recognized fir what he has done and if he continues to improve the sky is the limit.

[DusterBuster]

If that's the deal, I hope Camara takes it, its fair and i hope it gives him the feeling he has been recognized fir what he has done and if he continues to improve the sky is the limit.

The reason fans like us are hoping Camara takes what likely would be a fair to team friendly deal is exactly why he likely isn't going to take the deal.

I think this would have been done already if Camara and his reps wanted it. I suspect he's betting on himself and wants the market to dictate his price.

[Wizenheimer]

If that's the deal, I hope Camara takes it, its fair and i hope it gives him the feeling he has been recognized fir what he has done and if he continues to improve the sky is the limit.

The reason fans like us are hoping Camara takes what likely would be a fair to team friendly deal is exactly why he likely isn't going to take the deal.

I think this would have been done already if Camara and his reps wanted it. I suspect he's betting on himself and wants the market to dictate his price.

obviously, I can't really know what's going on, but like I said, it may be that the Blazers and Camara have already agreed that 22m/year isn't enough, and that's the max for an extension

what might happen is that at the end of next June the Blazers will decline the 4th year option on his contract and instead submit a max Q.O. making him RFA. They could then sign him for 27M/year....33M/year....whatever. I don't think there's any way at all that Portland lets him play for that 2.4M option year because he'd be UFA in 2027 if he did

it's also possible there's a dispute between Camara and the Blazers on his value. But Cronin sure doesn't seem like a hardball type of GM

[m0ng0]

If that's the deal, I hope Camara takes it, its fair and i hope it gives him the feeling he has been recognized fir what he has done and if he continues to improve the sky is the limit.

The reason fans like us are hoping Camara takes what likely would be a fair to team friendly deal is exactly why he likely isn't going to take the deal.

I think this would have been done already if Camara and his reps wanted it. I suspect he's betting on himself and wants the market to dictate his price.

I'm not sure if he is THERE yet, maybe give him an enticing 2 year deal (if thats possible) but I'm not sure he has proven he is worth a huge deal yet, am I crazy?

[DusterBuster]

If that's the deal, I hope Camara takes it, its fair and i hope it gives him the feeling he has been recognized fir what he has done and if he continues to improve the sky is the limit.

The reason fans like us are hoping Camara takes what likely would be a fair to team friendly deal is exactly why he likely isn't going to take the deal.

I think this would have been done already if Camara and his reps wanted it. I suspect he's betting on himself and wants the market to dictate his price.

obviously, I can't really know what's going on, but like I said, it may be that the Blazers and Camara have already agreed that 22m/year isn't enough, and that's the max for an extension

what might happen is that at the end of next June the Blazers will decline the 4th year option on his contract and instead submit a max Q.O. making him RFA. They could then sign him for 27M/year....33M/year....whatever. I don't think there's any way at all that Portland lets him play for that 2.4M option year because he'd be UFA in 2027 if he did

it's also possible there's a dispute between Camara and the Blazers on his value. But Cronin sure doesn't seem like a hardball type of GM

This is what I suspect as well. He made all defense in his 2nd year and he's shown markedly continued growth in his game consistently. If he continues to do that over his 3rd season, he could very well prove to be in the 27-33mil per range.

I also agree, Cronin is a pushover on contracts. He basically lets agents name their price and rubber stamps it. Jodie likewise doesn't give 2 **** what players are paid, so she's the final rubber stamp.

It doesn't seem hard to connect the dots here that Tou and his agent believe that with a 3rd year under his belt and some more improvement like showing he can be a 16+ppg guy on good shooting numbers, he can get more money from Portland.

[DusterBuster]

If that's the deal, I hope Camara takes it, its fair and i hope it gives him the feeling he has been recognized fir what he has done and if he continues to improve the sky is the limit.

The reason fans like us are hoping Camara takes what likely would be a fair to team friendly deal is exactly why he likely isn't going to take the deal.

I think this would have been done already if Camara and his reps wanted it. I suspect he's betting on himself and wants the market to dictate his price.

I'm not sure if he is THERE yet, maybe give him an enticing 2 year deal (if thats possible) but I'm not sure he has proven he is worth a huge deal yet, am I crazy?

Sure, but if Tou and his agent believe he can be there after one more season of continued growth like he's shown, than he gets that big deal.

I think you are underplaying how big of an accomplishment Tou getting on All Defense in his second year is.

This seems like textbook "bet on yourself" here, that's a standard play by an agent and player in his situation. If he improves his scoring skills and gets another All Defensive slot, he's gonna command that kind of money - easily.

[Walton1one]

If that's the deal, I hope Camara takes it, its fair and i hope it gives him the feeling he has been recognized fir what he has done and if he continues to improve the sky is the limit.

The reason fans like us are hoping Camara takes what likely would be a fair to team friendly deal is exactly why he likely isn't going to take the deal.

I think this would have been done already if Camara and his reps wanted it. I suspect he's betting on himself and wants the market to dictate his price.

Team friendly?

Knocking off his 4th year averages him out to $27mil per year, and starts his contract a year earlier, I think that is pretty fair\market value for Camara, maybe even a tad over market. Herb Jones just signed a 3yr\$67 mil deal just recently. Paying Camara $30+ mil is a risky, maybe even dumb decision

If he wants to go to UFA then POR should trade him...

If the goal is to go to RFA next year when more teams have money, then POR might want to consider dealing him. Lots of teams with capspace or can generate it, not sure though any will have the appetite to pay him north of $30mil, but if he signed a RFA tender then I imagine it would have all the uncomfortable goodies one could put into a contract to dissuade POR from matching (they would match anyway but that would not be great either).

I like Camara, I question how much more improvement he has left, I think he is a valuable type of player that every team needs, I certainly question paying him over $30mil. If this situation goes south, it sure would have been nice to have a guy like Carter Bryant waiting in the wings...

[DusterBuster]

If that's the deal, I hope Camara takes it, its fair and i hope it gives him the feeling he has been recognized fir what he has done and if he continues to improve the sky is the limit.

The reason fans like us are hoping Camara takes what likely would be a fair to team friendly deal is exactly why he likely isn't going to take the deal.

I think this would have been done already if Camara and his reps wanted it. I suspect he's betting on himself and wants the market to dictate his price.

Team friendly?

Knocking off his 4th year averages him out to $27mil per year, and starts his contract a year earlier, I think that is pretty fair\market value for Camara, maybe even a tad over market. Herb Jones just signed a 3yr\$67 mil deal just recently. Paying Camara $30+ mil is a risky, maybe even dumb decision

If he wants to go to UFA then POR should trade him...

If the goal is to go to RFA next year when more teams have money, then POR might want to consider dealing him. Lots of teams with capspace or can generate it, not sure though any will have the appetite to pay him north of $30mil, but if he signed a RFA tender then I imagine it would have all the uncomfortable goodies one could put into a contract to dissuade POR from matching (they would match anyway but that would not be great either).

I like Camara, I question how much more improvement he has left, I think he is a valuable type of player that every team needs, I certainly question paying him over $30mil. If this situation goes south, it sure would have been nice to have a guy like Carter Bryant waiting in the wings...

I'm more of a Camara believer than you. I genuinely think he has a the drive and skills to get way better. I think people like you are artificially capping how good he can get just because of his age.

[tester551]

keep in mind that Camara has 2 years left on his deal with the last year being the team option. That's the apparent leverage to get Camara to agree to an extension. But IIRC, if the extension doesn't happen this season, then he'll enter the last year of his contract and would become an unrestricted free agent in 2027

Highly unlikely Camara gets to UFA.

If something doesn't happen this summer, Blazers will decline his 4th year option (26-27 season). Blazers would tender Camara, and he would become a RFA July 1 2026.

[Wizenheimer]

keep in mind that Camara has 2 years left on his deal with the last year being the team option. That's the apparent leverage to get Camara to agree to an extension. But IIRC, if the extension doesn't happen this season, then he'll enter the last year of his contract and would become an unrestricted free agent in 2027

Highly unlikely Camara gets to UFA.

If something doesn't happen this summer, Blazers will decline his 4th year option (26-27 season). Blazers would tender Camara, and he would become a RFA July 1 2026.

I think that's likely....no way the Blazers allow him to become UFA

[Wizenheimer]

The reason fans like us are hoping Camara takes what likely would be a fair to team friendly deal is exactly why he likely isn't going to take the deal.

I think this would have been done already if Camara and his reps wanted it. I suspect he's betting on himself and wants the market to dictate his price.

Team friendly?

Knocking off his 4th year averages him out to $27mil per year, and starts his contract a year earlier, I think that is pretty fair\market value for Camara, maybe even a tad over market. Herb Jones just signed a 3yr\$67 mil deal just recently. Paying Camara $30+ mil is a risky, maybe even dumb decision

If he wants to go to UFA then POR should trade him...

If the goal is to go to RFA next year when more teams have money, then POR might want to consider dealing him. Lots of teams with capspace or can generate it, not sure though any will have the appetite to pay him north of $30mil, but if he signed a RFA tender then I imagine it would have all the uncomfortable goodies one could put into a contract to dissuade POR from matching (they would match anyway but that would not be great either).

I like Camara, I question how much more improvement he has left, I think he is a valuable type of player that every team needs, I certainly question paying him over $30mil. If this situation goes south, it sure would have been nice to have a guy like Carter Bryant waiting in the wings...

I'm more of a Camara believer than you. I genuinely think he has a the drive and skills to get way better. I think people like you are artificially capping how good he can get just because of his age.

age does have a bearing; already being 25 and having played 4 years in the NCAA is noteworthy

but I'd agree that Camara has elite 3&D potential. I just don't see him as a secondary play-maker and that's a significant limitation. Unless he's got some amazing unknown tricks in his bag I think his ceiling is 3rd-4th option

[m0ng0]

That's my concern, is he THAT good yet? Do we lock him up for 4 years based on his potential? I'm not by any means saying he is NOT our second best player on the team, but is 4/67 million a slap on the face? If he peaks at last years numbers is that a legit offer? Nobody wants him to walk, but couldn't we sign him at 67 and if he exceeds expectations tear that up and re do his contract? Maybe wiz knows. I dont want to throw the baby out with the bathwater if last season is what he is.

[dckingsfan]

Team friendly?

Knocking off his 4th year averages him out to $27mil per year, and starts his contract a year earlier, I think that is pretty fair\market value for Camara, maybe even a tad over market. Herb Jones just signed a 3yr\$67 mil deal just recently. Paying Camara $30+ mil is a risky, maybe even dumb decision

If he wants to go to UFA then POR should trade him...

If the goal is to go to RFA next year when more teams have money, then POR might want to consider dealing him. Lots of teams with capspace or can generate it, not sure though any will have the appetite to pay him north of $30mil, but if he signed a RFA tender then I imagine it would have all the uncomfortable goodies one could put into a contract to dissuade POR from matching (they would match anyway but that would not be great either).

I like Camara, I question how much more improvement he has left, I think he is a valuable type of player that every team needs, I certainly question paying him over $30mil. If this situation goes south, it sure would have been nice to have a guy like Carter Bryant waiting in the wings...

I'm more of a Camara believer than you. I genuinely think he has a the drive and skills to get way better. I think people like you are artificially capping how good he can get just because of his age.

age does have a bearing; already being 25 and having played 4 years in the NCAA is noteworthy

but I'd agree that Camara has elite 3&D potential. I just don't see him as a secondary play-maker and that's a significant limitation. Unless he's got some amazing unknown tricks in his bag I think his ceiling is 3rd-4th option

I think more like 4th or 5th option. Hopefully a legit elite 3&D player. If he can space the floor well and continue his improvement shooting from 3...

But I just don't ever seeing him have the handles to be a secondary ball handler. You would hope you have two ball handlers on the floor with him.

[Wizenheimer]

That's my concern, is he THAT good yet? Do we lock him up for 4 years based on his potential? I'm not by any means saying he is NOT our second best player on the team, but is 4/67 million a slap on the face? If he peaks at last years numbers is that a legit offer? Nobody wants him to walk, but couldn't we sign him at 67 and if he exceeds expectations tear that up and re do his contract? Maybe wiz knows. I dont want to throw the baby out with the bathwater if last season is what he is.

well, a 4-year/67M extension is 22M less than the max Portland can offer. 5.5M/year less so yeah, I'd think less than 17M/year would be a little insulting. If nothing else it would convince him to play out his contract and become UFA

Im looking at some of the deal that have been signed the last season or two:

OG Anunoby $39,568,966 $42,500,000 $45,431,034 $48,362,068
Franz Wagner $38,661,750 $41,754,690 $44,847,630 $47,940,570 $51,033,510
Desmond Bane $36,725,670 $39,446,090 $42,166,510 $44,886,930
Jalen Suggs $35,000,000 $32,400,000 $29,600,000 $26,800,000
Jalen Green $33,333,333 $36,000,000 $36,000,000
Immanuel Quickley $32,500,000 $32,500,000 $32,500,000 $32,500,000
Dejounte Murray $31,557,103 $33,597,072 $31,619,506
Jalen Johnson $30,000,000 $30,000,000 $30,000,000 $30,000,000 $30,000,000
Derrick White $28,100,000 $30,348,000 $32,596,000 $34,844,000
Devin Vassell $27,000,000 $27,000,000 $24,652,174 $27,000,000
Nic Claxton $25,352,272 $23,147,727 $20,943,184
Trey Murphy III $25,000,000 $27,000,000 $29,000,000 $31,000,000
Jaden McDaniels $24,858,622 $26,700,001 $28,541,380 $30,382,755
Jarrett Allen $20,000,000 $28,000,000 $30,240,000 $32,480,000
Josh Hart $19,472,240 $20,923,760 $22,375,280
Alex Caruso $18,102,000 $19,550,160 $20,998,320 $22,446,480
Andrew Nembhard $18,102,000 $19,550,160 $20,998,320
Patrick Williams $18,000,000 $18,000,000 $18,000,000 $18,000,000

pretty hard to even justify as low as 22M/year, let alone 17M/year. And that list will be a lot bigger next summer

my guess is if the Blazers can't get Camara to sign an extension by mid-October (the deadline), they will decline his 4th year option, submit a max QO and end up giving him a 25-30M/year deal. And whenever I predict a dollar value for 2nd NBA contracts, it's always a low prediction

[DusterBuster]

I honestly wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Tou ends up cracking 30 a year by waiting to sign a deal next summer.

I think mid-20's is under what market value is for a guy with his skillset and just where the NBA is at. As Wiz mentioned about his contract predictions always being low, we're all a bit guilty of that (I know I am). When you look at deals like Fox too, where the salary cap is going and will be at when Tou can sign a deal... I would guess 30-33mil per year is probably what he's gonna command.

[BlazersBroncos]

Ya there isnt a chance in hell Tou signs for 17M AV. The 22M ceiling right now is probably too low for him. If I was his agent, I certainly wouldnt ink that deal.

As Duster said - I wouldnt be surprised if he cracked 30M.

[Wizenheimer]

Jaden McDaniels signed a 28m/year extension when the salary cap was 136M, well before the news about the new media deal broke

if Camara is RFA next summer when the cap is 180M (and heading way up), then a Camara contract adjusted tothe salary cap for equivalence with McDaniels would be 37M/year. And I'd say it's clear Camara is better than McDainels, especially if he improves next season

[DusterBuster]

Jaden McDaniels signed a 28m/year extension when the salary cap was 136M, well before the news about the new media deal broke

if Camara is RFA next summer when the cap is 180M (and heading way up), then a Camara contract adjusted tothe salary cap for equivalence with McDaniels would be 37M/year. And I'd say it's clear Camara is better than McDainels, especially if he improves next season

Hell, I might have been guilty again of what we all do, underestimating players FA salary. We probably shouldn't be shocked if he's looking at 35+ I guess honestly.

The NBA is wild man...

Small segment on The Fan this morning about all this too when the hosts were discussing Fox getting a deal of 55mil per year, which is a bit insane. He's good but... yeesh.

[HoopsFanAZ]

4 year $89M would be excellent. A player option on year 4 would be excellent.
Cronin and Billups arguably want what Billups had as a Piston in 2004 -- a defense-first identity.
Deni and Toumani are key.
Getting Shaedon to take 2 fast, immediate steps back on defense is key.

If Toumani gets his Blazers $$$ as a RFA, that's fine. He's the Blazers' Tayshaun Prince.