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Re: Breaking: Blazers sold to Tom Dundon 

Post#21 » by DusterBuster » Wed Aug 13, 2025 7:21 pm

The buying group also includes Marc Zahr, co-president of Blue Owl Capital, and Portland-based Sheel Tyle, co-CEO of Collective Global, according to Sportico.

Sportico reported the prospective owners plan to keep the Trail Blazers in Portland. Bill Oram of The Oregonian, citing a source familiar with the proceedings, confirmed that claim, reporting that the group "is passionate about basketball and intends to keep the team in Portland, where it belongs."


I think we can put any talk of the team moving to bed at this point. Particularly with one part of this new ownership group being Portland based - 105.1 the fan reported Sheel Tyle's wife is part of the Oregon Health Authority, so some really strong local ties in the group which I'm taking as a non-explicit nod to fans by Dundon of his intentions to keep the team here - as was his explicit comments to the media about it.

He also is apparently really passionate about sports. Some antidotes mentioned is Dundon has a hard time even going to Hurricane games in person because he hates seeing the team lose. He's Dallas based, so considering his non-attachment to North Carolina, he's invested heavily in that community. Seems pretty likely he's poised to do that again in Portland in a similar manner.

A Fan reached out to a reporter who's covered the Hurricanes for their local perspective of Dundon as an owner "No problem. Made playoffs every year he's been the owner. Caines' have been one most consistent and well run teams in sports in general under his watch. He's kept the same coach, he's a very patient person. He said the only negative I can give you on the resume of Tom Dundon, he was the one who put the Alliance of American Football went to bankruptcy, it was a failure and he got sued for 150 some million at that point. Only negative, otherwise; fans, players, coaches, and team employees rave about him as a sport owner."

I think largely all things to be super positive about moving forward.

If you're looking for an instant clean sweep of management, you might be disappointed... not impossible, but seemingly not likely he's gonna day 1-clean house. He's probably gonna give the current team some runway to see how they jive with him and his new directions, I would think.
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Re: Breaking: Blazers sold to Tom Dundon 

Post#22 » by JDR720 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 8:33 pm

He's a pretty good owner for the Hurricanes. We (the Hurricanes) have consistently been one of the top teams in the league since he took over, and have been rather aggressive in trades & free agency to try to win a cup (it hasn't worked yet, for various reasons). We also routinely sign younger players to contract extensions before they hit free agency to try to get them on "bargain" contracts in their primes (we've done this with basically every good young player on the team who is under 25 years old, including 3 times this offseason).

Now we also have one of the best coaches (Rod Brind'Amour) and very good GM's (Don Waddell previously, and Eric Tulsky now) so how much of the teams success is due to Dundon can't be said. Either way, at least in hockey knows how to run a top team (or let other smart people do it). If that translates to basketball? Who knows, hopefully.


And I don't think it makes any sense to relocate the team to Raleigh. NC probably can't support 2 NBA teams. If he wanted a team in Raleigh, he could've just got the Hornets when they were for sale.
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Re: Breaking: Blazers sold to Tom Dundon 

Post#23 » by DusterBuster » Wed Aug 13, 2025 9:04 pm

JDR720 wrote:He's a pretty good owner for the Hurricanes. We (the Hurricanes) have consistently been one of the top teams in the league since he took over, and have been rather aggressive in trades & free agency to try to win a cup (it hasn't worked yet, for various reasons). We also routinely sign younger players to contract extensions before they hit free agency to try to get them on "bargain" contracts in their primes (we've done this with basically every good young player on the team who is under 25 years old, including 3 times this offseason).

Now we also have one of the best coaches (Rod Brind'Amour) and very good GM's (Don Waddell previously, and Eric Tulsky now) so how much of the teams success is due to Dundon can't be said. Either way, at least in hockey knows how to run a top team (or let other smart people do it). If that translates to basketball? Who knows, hopefully.


And I don't think it makes any sense to relocate the team to Raleigh. NC probably can't support 2 NBA teams. If he wanted a team in Raleigh, he could've just got the Hornets when they were for sale.


Where is all this talk of moving to Raleigh coming from? All public indications are that's not even in his thinking. Is this rando-RealGM talk?

Also, any insight into how accurate this persons perspective is on Dundon? It sounds completely the opposite of everything I could wrangle together from radio and online, but I don't know enough to know who's correct:

Walton the GOAT wrote:Since even NHL fans can't be bothered to follow the Hurricanes and their iconoclast billionaire owner Tom Dundon, I thought I'd provide some background and insight into how Dundon runs the team


Tom Dundon purchased a majority stake in the Hurricanes in January 2018. This came completely out of nowhere, and after years of then owner Peter Karmanos Jr. attempting and failing to find an ownership group that would promise to keep the Hurricanes in Raleigh while dealing with the ever increasing problem of being broke as hell. It also happened after negotiations between Karmanos and an ownership group based in Quebec City broke down, putatively over who would be the majority owner of the team in the new location. Tom Dundon's agreement came with a 7 year "no relocation" promise, but had a loophole: after 3 years he could sell out of the team back to Karmanos at the cost he bought in. Suffice it to say, it was a Hail Mary for hockey in Carolina. To not waste more time, the team got good the very next year, Dundon discovered he enjoyed being the owner of a successful sports club, bought up all the land around the Hurricanes' stadium for development, bought the popular nearby sports restaurant with excellent food and turned it into a degenerate gambling den with garbage food, and recently signed a 50 year lease extension for the Canes in Raleigh. Sometimes Hail Marys pay off.

(And for you conspiracy lovers out there, that summer the Hurricanes won the draft lottery for the 2nd oa- the NHL holds a lottery for the top 2 picks- with a 3.3% chance, moving up from 10th to 2nd and drafting Andrei Svechnikov)


When Tom Dundon bought the team, the Hurricanes had been under the rule of Jim Rutherford and his successor, Ron Francis, for the entirety of their tenure in Raleigh. I don't know who the analogue for Ron Francis is in NBA terms, but he is 5th in cumulative scoring in League history, mostly because he played all of his prime in the highest scoring era the NHL has ever seen and was never particularly physical, and therefore healthy for most of it. He was never considered the best player in the NHL, and his most successful years, in terms of Cup wins, came as the 3rd option to all time greats in Mario Lemieux and Jaromir Jagr in Pittsburgh. A list from hockey history nerds on hfboards didn't even have him in the top 100 all time back in 2018. https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/top-100-hockey-players-of-all-time.2567403/?_gl=1*vkl7on*_ga*MjE3OTA5NDIuMTczNjk2NzY4OQ..*_ga_LHGV6GZ7R0*czE3NTUxMTM0MjIkbzQwNiRnMSR0MTc1NTExMzQzMCRqNTIkbDAkaDA.

Ron Francis is polite and erudite for a hockey player, a group of people with barely a high school education who on good days speak in seamless cliche and on bad ones can barely string sentences together. After his career he was hired by the Hurricanes and tried his hand at coaching before settling in as Jim Rutherford's future successor, which Francis took over in 2014. Francis was a member of the good ol' boys club, a chaplain of their bro-code, is what I'm getting at. And within 3 months of Dundon buying the team Francis was out.

The first and foremost thing to realize about Tom Dundon is he has what we now recognize as a venture start up attitude to running his teams. "Explain to me why we do this in 30 seconds, or it's cut." He had no reverence for posterity or the good ol' boys club, and Francis was quickly out the door and soon seething to the media. Another example: Dundon quickly fired the longtime radio voice Chuck Kaiton and merged radio broachcasts into TV simulcasts. He also forced longtime (and expensive) TV voice John Forslund out the door for the a former local sportstalk radio host with zero experience in sports play-by-play. Out was expensive good ol' boys club coach Bill Peters (who would later get fired from the NHL for shouting the n-word at a black player) and in was zero head coaching experience Rod Brind'amour (I should say that Brind'amour turned out to be a very good coach and Dundon got lucky here).

This isn't to say Dundon will cut costs across the board, but rather, identify what matters to team success and send it there. And for NHL, that is the roster. Dundon has consistently spent to the cap for the Hurricanes, consistently tried to make trades for the Hurricanes with little regard for the salary this year, has taken on bad contracts to get good picks and players if he had the space.

For the on-ice product, Dundon has opened his wallet. For everything else, it's faced self-justification and cuts.

But Dundon isn't going to just throw money at problems, in fact, I'd say he does the opposite- the Hurricanes prioritize cap flexibility above all else. They never sign expensive contracts to players on the wrong side of 30, the only exceptions are current franchise players Sebastian Aho and Jaccob Slavin, everyone else gets Logan's Run'd and sent out the door. With those guys- which, again, is almost everyone except the two players above- Dundon doesn't negotiate. It's take it or leave it, and it isn't surprising most FA's on the Hurricanes leave it. For the younger players, Dundon loves giving out long term contracts, as seen on the current Hurricanes roster, where pretty much every major player under the age of 27 is signed long term. The team admitted earlier that as long as 1 or 2 of these players outperforms their contract (and with the rising cap this is likely), then signing the lot of them is worth it, even if some flop.

So prioritization of long term cap flexibility, a dismissal of "how things are done," pumping money into the roster and cutting elsewhere, becoming the development king of Raleigh and Portland- that's what you can expect from a Dundon owned team. There's one other thing...

The 2015 NHL draft is one of the best drafts ever, and in offseason 2019 an unusual number of good players were due for 2nd contracts. This led to a lot of them holding out and plenty of drama, one of which was Sebastian Aho. Aho was offer sheeted by the Montreal Canadiens, a 42 million dollar deal with 21 million of that allocated in signing bonuses in the first two years- in other words, Dundon would have to shell out 21 million in a calendar year to keep Aho. Canadiens GM at the time Marc Beregevin admitted to the press that the pushed the offer sheet because they learned of a vulnerability in Dundon- in other words, they suspected he was a poor.

Dundon immediately matched l'offre hostile (well, technically, he waited the 7 days and matched at the last moment to **** with the Canadiens, but he announced immediately his intention to match), but the implication he was a poor made left him furious.

2 years later, the Canaidens were going through there own negotiation trouble with one Jesperi Kotkaniemi (Aho's fellow Finn, as it turns out), and Dundon took the opportunity to strike back, offer sheeting Kotkaniemi. This time the club did not match the offer and Kotkaniemi became a Hurricane. It was reported at the time that Kotkaniemi signed because the Hurricanes promised they would extend him 6 months later: we don't know if this was true but we do know the Hurricanes did extend Kotkaniemi 6 months later. Kotkaniemi has not lived up to his contract and at times gets sat by the coach.

So that's Dundon too. He can be vindictive and petty.
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Re: Breaking: Blazers sold to Tom Dundon 

Post#24 » by Wizenheimer » Wed Aug 13, 2025 10:37 pm

DusterBuster wrote:I think we can put any talk of the team moving to bed at this point. .


that might be true...it also might be premature. From the ESPN article:

"Dundon's group plans to discuss a public-private partnership for an arena deal with the city and state, sources told ESPN."

It's pretty clear to me if this has basically been the winning bid it's been mostly complete for weeks, maybe a month or two. And when Adam Silver spoke about the NBA's "preference" that the Blazers stay in Portland, but that there "probably needs to be a new arena", he was speaking from feedback he had got from Dundon and probably the Vulcans

I just don't believe a renovation of the Moda will satisfy a new owner, not with that crappy location for establishing and monetizing peripheral businesses. And a renovation is obviously what the City is hoping for. So there still may be some rough road ahead. I think odds are pretty good the Blazers stay in Portland but it's probably not a done deal yet

the Moda needs a major renovation and that can't happen in a summer. Those usually take a couple of years and it would probably need the MC to be demolished at the same time. Where would the Blazers play if the Moda was out of commission for 2 years?
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Post#25 » by m0ng0 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 10:46 pm

The beautiful historical relic called the memorial coliseum, would be my guess
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Post#26 » by DusterBuster » Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:11 pm

m0ng0 wrote:The beautiful historical relic called the memorial coliseum, would be my guess


The NBA won't let the Blazers play for 2-3 seasons in Memorial, give me a break. If anything, they need to tear down Memorial for the new arena vs remodel.

I'm not going to be a Debby Downer about a move right now. Most all signs point to something getting figured out. What it is, we'll see, but literally no one close to this is indicating that's on anyones mind right now. He's putting people in the ownership group that have local ties, which is part of a good faith sign of intentions to keep the team in Portland.

If you want to be a never-say-never person, have at it (talking to Wiz here or anyone else).

There will be negotiations, it might get contentions, but just reading the tea leafs and comparing what he did with the Hurricanes and the area around the arena, it seems pretty clear part of why he wants the Blazers is that area in Portland ripe for the same thing he did in Carolina.

We still probably got 6mo before this sale is even approved too.
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Post#27 » by m0ng0 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:19 pm

The coliseum ain't going anywhere, its an Oregon treasure of some sort, on historical lists? I dunno exactly but if I had to bet which one gets torn down its Moda.
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Post#28 » by tester551 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:23 pm

m0ng0 wrote:The coliseum ain't going anywhere, its an Oregon treasure of some sort, on historical lists? I dunno exactly but if I had to bet which one gets torn down its Moda.

Which is a damn shame.
The coliseum is not a special building in the least bit. It should be removed... It has absolutely no architectural beauty at all.
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Post#29 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:30 pm

tester551 wrote:
m0ng0 wrote:The coliseum ain't going anywhere, its an Oregon treasure of some sort, on historical lists? I dunno exactly but if I had to bet which one gets torn down its Moda.

Which is a damn shame.
The coliseum is not a special building in the least bit. It should be removed... It has absolutely no architectural beauty at all.


Ya it’s basically the arena equivalent of a Soviet blockhouse.
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Post#30 » by m0ng0 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:37 pm

Here's a more detailed explanation:
Historical Importance:
The Memorial Coliseum, completed in 1960, is a prominent example of mid-century modern architecture. It holds a special place in Portland's history as the former home of the Portland Trail Blazers and for hosting significant events, including the team's 1977 NBA championship win.
Public Sentiment:
There's strong public support for preserving the Coliseum. Citizens and advocacy groups have actively campaigned against demolition, highlighting its architectural value and its role in the city's identity.
Architectural Significance:
The building is not just historically significant but also architecturally notable. It's a "glass palace" with a unique design and is considered a landmark by preservationists and architectural experts.
National Register Listing:
The Coliseum's inclusion on the National Register of Historic Places provides a layer of protection against demolition.
Alternative Options:
Instead of demolition, the city has explored and is actively pursuing restoration and renovation of the Coliseum, with upgrades to its facilities and amenities.
Economic Considerations:
While demolition and rebuilding would be expensive, the city has also considered the economic impact of a renovated Coliseum, including its potential to attract events and contribute to the surrounding Rose Quarter area.
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Post#31 » by oldfishermen » Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:38 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
tester551 wrote:
m0ng0 wrote:The coliseum ain't going anywhere, its an Oregon treasure of some sort, on historical lists? I dunno exactly but if I had to bet which one gets torn down its Moda.

Which is a damn shame.
The coliseum is not a special building in the least bit. It should be removed... It has absolutely no architectural beauty at all.


Ya it’s basically the arena equivalent of a Soviet blockhouse.


2009, MC was added to National list of historical places.

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2009/09/memorial_coliseum_makes_nation.html
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Post#32 » by Butter » Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:39 pm

When does the sale get finalized? In other words, how long until he can start making decisions?
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Post#33 » by wco81 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:42 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Presumably the talks with the city went well. Let's see what the refurbished Moda Center will look like in 2028 or 2029



Usually new owners who pay several times the previous franchise sale value are looking to increase future sale value and revenues by pushing for a new arena.

That's what ARod and his partner are supposedly doing in Minneapolis.


Hopefully though, he's a more engaged owner looking to compete.
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Post#34 » by Butter » Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:43 pm

Butter wrote:When does the sale get finalized? In other words, how long until he can start making decisions?


https://www.blazersedge.com/trail-blazers-news/102417/portland-trail-blazers-ownership-sale-tom-dundon-paul-allen-nba-news-carolina-hurrricanes

The Estate of Paul G. Allen announced it had commenced the sales process for the Portland Trail Blazers franchise on May 13, saying the process was estimated to continue into the 2025-26 basketball season.
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Post#35 » by wco81 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:46 pm

m0ng0 wrote:Here's a more detailed explanation:
Historical Importance:
The Memorial Coliseum, completed in 1960, is a prominent example of mid-century modern architecture. It holds a special place in Portland's history as the former home of the Portland Trail Blazers and for hosting significant events, including the team's 1977 NBA championship win.
Public Sentiment:
There's strong public support for preserving the Coliseum. Citizens and advocacy groups have actively campaigned against demolition, highlighting its architectural value and its role in the city's identity.
Architectural Significance:
The building is not just historically significant but also architecturally notable. It's a "glass palace" with a unique design and is considered a landmark by preservationists and architectural experts.
National Register Listing:
The Coliseum's inclusion on the National Register of Historic Places provides a layer of protection against demolition.
Alternative Options:
Instead of demolition, the city has explored and is actively pursuing restoration and renovation of the Coliseum, with upgrades to its facilities and amenities.
Economic Considerations:
While demolition and rebuilding would be expensive, the city has also considered the economic impact of a renovated Coliseum, including its potential to attract events and contribute to the surrounding Rose Quarter area.


So is it still operating in some way or just a museum? How do they fund its upkeep?
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Post#36 » by m0ng0 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 11:54 pm

wco81 wrote:
m0ng0 wrote:Here's a more detailed explanation:
Historical Importance:
The Memorial Coliseum, completed in 1960, is a prominent example of mid-century modern architecture. It holds a special place in Portland's history as the former home of the Portland Trail Blazers and for hosting significant events, including the team's 1977 NBA championship win.
Public Sentiment:
There's strong public support for preserving the Coliseum. Citizens and advocacy groups have actively campaigned against demolition, highlighting its architectural value and its role in the city's identity.
Architectural Significance:
The building is not just historically significant but also architecturally notable. It's a "glass palace" with a unique design and is considered a landmark by preservationists and architectural experts.
National Register Listing:
The Coliseum's inclusion on the National Register of Historic Places provides a layer of protection against demolition.
Alternative Options:
Instead of demolition, the city has explored and is actively pursuing restoration and renovation of the Coliseum, with upgrades to its facilities and amenities.
Economic Considerations:
While demolition and rebuilding would be expensive, the city has also considered the economic impact of a renovated Coliseum, including its potential to attract events and contribute to the surrounding Rose Quarter area.


So is it still operating in some way or just a museum? How do they fund its upkeep?


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Post#37 » by wco81 » Thu Aug 14, 2025 12:00 am

m0ng0 wrote:
wco81 wrote:
m0ng0 wrote:Here's a more detailed explanation:
Historical Importance:
The Memorial Coliseum, completed in 1960, is a prominent example of mid-century modern architecture. It holds a special place in Portland's history as the former home of the Portland Trail Blazers and for hosting significant events, including the team's 1977 NBA championship win.
Public Sentiment:
There's strong public support for preserving the Coliseum. Citizens and advocacy groups have actively campaigned against demolition, highlighting its architectural value and its role in the city's identity.
Architectural Significance:
The building is not just historically significant but also architecturally notable. It's a "glass palace" with a unique design and is considered a landmark by preservationists and architectural experts.
National Register Listing:
The Coliseum's inclusion on the National Register of Historic Places provides a layer of protection against demolition.
Alternative Options:
Instead of demolition, the city has explored and is actively pursuing restoration and renovation of the Coliseum, with upgrades to its facilities and amenities.
Economic Considerations:
While demolition and rebuilding would be expensive, the city has also considered the economic impact of a renovated Coliseum, including its potential to attract events and contribute to the surrounding Rose Quarter area.


So is it still operating in some way or just a museum? How do they fund its upkeep?


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Hmm a new arena would be multi-purpose and probably look to host as many non-NBA events as possible because the team gets to keep all that money not share it as part of BRI.

So even if that old stadium was kept around, the owner would probably look to poach all those non-NBA events for the new arena.
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Post#38 » by m0ng0 » Thu Aug 14, 2025 12:19 am

wco81 wrote:
m0ng0 wrote:
wco81 wrote:
So is it still operating in some way or just a museum? How do they fund its upkeep?


Monster trucks, Disney on ice, winterhawks, comic con...you know high value stuff



Hmm a new arena would be multi-purpose and probably look to host as many non-NBA events as possible because the team gets to keep all that money not share it as part of BRI.

So even if that old stadium was kept around, the owner would probably look to poach all those non-NBA events for the new arena.


The Moda is not that bad, the location kinda sucks, but the baseball project is gaining steam and they have property purchased or alloted, Lloyd center is already being pieced out and re purposed, i know for a fact they're is a 4-6k music venue going on where Nordstroms was so that's kinda out, either move it to the burbs or even vancouver, or you make a decision on the coliseum or the Moda. The choice is obvious but Portland is a weird, tough nut to crack
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Post#39 » by PDXKnight » Thu Aug 14, 2025 1:06 am

m0ng0 wrote:
wco81 wrote:
m0ng0 wrote:
Monster trucks, Disney on ice, winterhawks, comic con...you know high value stuff



Hmm a new arena would be multi-purpose and probably look to host as many non-NBA events as possible because the team gets to keep all that money not share it as part of BRI.

So even if that old stadium was kept around, the owner would probably look to poach all those non-NBA events for the new arena.


The Moda is not that bad, the location kinda sucks, but the baseball project is gaining steam and they have property purchased or alloted, Lloyd center is already being pieced out and re purposed, i know for a fact they're is a 4-6k music venue going on where Nordstroms was so that's kinda out, either move it to the burbs or even vancouver, or you make a decision on the coliseum or the Moda. The choice is obvious but Portland is a weird, tough nut to crack


Vancouver is a heck no to me, maybe even worse than the rose quarter. Granted ive lived there and its come up a lot but the PORTLAND trailblazers ought to remain in oregon, probably beaverton or Clackamas if they go burbs. Plus the bridge would just make it a challenge for fans and commuters alike
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Post#40 » by Andre 2999 » Thu Aug 14, 2025 1:14 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:Tbf Paul very rarely did interviews himself. I don't recall him really ever doing them in regards to the Hawks.


Yes, but he always routinely did some every year in Portland. He always did media availability year in and year out during the draft, at the start of the season and at the end of the season.

We don't need to hear from the owners weekly on a pod or anything, but do SOMETHING. It's been literally 5 years and Jodie has never said one word at any moment.

Wow, as someone who doesn't regularly follow them, that's news to me. He avoided the spotlight completely when it came to dealing with Seattle media.

Here's one random interview with him during the 2013-14 training camp:

Like Duster said, it was usually only once or twice a year. But it was always nice when he would make an appearance. Now it's news to me that he didn't do these for the Seahawks, that's surprising. No doubt he was very passionate about both teams though.

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