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Post#201 » by Norm2953 » Fri Jul 5, 2024 6:45 pm

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it doesn't really matter, one way or the other. With the reported extension value, as long a the Lakers don't officially sign Bronny, they are about 600K under the 2nd apron so they could still aggregate salaries in a trade just as long as the trade doesn't push them over the apron

however, based upon the rumors, I don't think there will be a trade. If Cronin is actually demanding two 1st's from the Lakers, with their situation both 1st's would have to be unprotected. That would be a ridiculous demand from Cronin. Absolutely nuts and I wouldn't be surprised if the Lakers have already told him to go pound sand


I've been skeptical of a Grant trade with LA as well but let's say its Knecht and a more lightly protected FRP
down the line that gets the trade done. LA moves all the other filler they need to get the trade legal.

As I understand it, there is still some talk between Lebron's agent and the team to craft the extension
to keep the Lakers under the second apron. Knicks just modified their Bridges trade to keep themselves
below the first apron. Nothing is official until Saturday.


according to Spotrac, a website that gets high marks for accuracy, with Lebron's extension added, the Lakers are 600K below the 2nd apron. But that does not include Bronny's contract. Once that is added, the Laker would be 1M over that apron. So, one of their priorities in a Grant trade would be sending out at least 1M more than they took back

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/yearly

as for Knecht, I'd be really surprised if the Lakers were willing to move him. And I don't know that the Blazers would want him


There is a reason why Lebron may yet end up taking $1 million less than the max in order to get something
done.

Portland does have a bit of flexibility for they are $4 million under the tax line and could absorb that Million
to keep the Lakers under the second apron if properly motivated.
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Post#202 » by GEE » Fri Jul 5, 2024 8:12 pm

I'm hope Cronin floats my idea to the Lakers and the Nets GMs because I feel Rui is a perfect fit, but I also would hate for Cronin to get greedy now. If we can get Rui and Sharpe with Grant and Reath... JUST DO IT!

I don't care if we get a single pick out of the deal, and would even be willing to add picks like Cronin did to get Deni, if Cronin feels that Rui is our PFOTF. Getting Sharpe (if BRK wants DLO) gives you two chances at our PFOTF, with a guaranteed awesome rotation, especially if TL does return like Steve Austin, the $6 million dollar man - Better... Stronger... Faster.

Simons / Scoot / Banton
Sharpe / Thybulle / Rupert
Deni / Camara / Murray
Rui / TL / Walker
Ayton / Sharpe / Clingan

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Post#203 » by PDXKnight » Fri Jul 5, 2024 10:01 pm

It appears sacramento is in the drivers seat for DDR meaning lakers might be striking out again. Really feels like they’re needing something to happen on the grant front unless they can pull out a rabbit
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Post#204 » by JasonStern » Fri Jul 5, 2024 11:08 pm

Walton1one wrote:I do not think that Avdija was a huge overpay, the guy is younger than Knecht and already has 4yrs!!! playing in the NBA & is coming off his best year and is on a ridiculously team friendly contract for the next 4 years


This is one of the biggest fallacies that even actual GMs face. Roy was a 4 year player. Lillard was a 4 year player. If you draft a senior, you get more years of his prime under a rookie scale and restricted free agency contract. Plus you have way more footage to scout. The problem with this is that high draft stock players tend to enter the draft early, making that not an option.
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Post#205 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jul 5, 2024 11:30 pm

GEE wrote:I'm hope Cronin floats my idea to the Lakers and the Nets GMs because I feel Rui is a perfect fit, but I also would hate for Cronin to get greedy now. If we can get Rui and Sharpe with Grant and Reath... JUST DO IT!

I don't care if we get a single pick out of the deal, and would even be willing to add picks like Cronin did to get Deni, if Cronin feels that Rui is our PFOTF. Getting Sharpe (if BRK wants DLO) gives you two chances at our PFOTF, with a guaranteed awesome rotation, especially if TL does return like Steve Austin, the $6 million dollar man - Better... Stronger... Faster.

Simons / Scoot / Banton
Sharpe / Thybulle / Rupert
Deni / Camara / Murray
Rui / TL / Walker
Ayton / Sharpe / Clingan

RIP CITY!!!


Seriously - what about Rui, going into his year 26 season, makes you think he is anything close to 'the future' at PF.

He is basically the baseline for what average is at the PF spot. Not too old, not too young. Not too expensive, but also not cheap. Not too athletic, but not un-athletic either. Not a good shooter but really not a bat shooter either.

Everything about him is meh - he is the dictionary definition of replaceable.

What about this year 26 player, who was given all the chances imaginable in LAL to become that elusive #3 option, screams 'this guy could be part of our core'.
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Post#206 » by PDXKnight » Sat Jul 6, 2024 12:35 am

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GEE wrote:I'm hope Cronin floats my idea to the Lakers and the Nets GMs because I feel Rui is a perfect fit, but I also would hate for Cronin to get greedy now. If we can get Rui and Sharpe with Grant and Reath... JUST DO IT!

I don't care if we get a single pick out of the deal, and would even be willing to add picks like Cronin did to get Deni, if Cronin feels that Rui is our PFOTF. Getting Sharpe (if BRK wants DLO) gives you two chances at our PFOTF, with a guaranteed awesome rotation, especially if TL does return like Steve Austin, the $6 million dollar man - Better... Stronger... Faster.

Simons / Scoot / Banton
Sharpe / Thybulle / Rupert
Deni / Camara / Murray
Rui / TL / Walker
Ayton / Sharpe / Clingan

RIP CITY!!!


Seriously - what about Rui, going into his year 26 season, makes you think he is anything close to 'the future' at PF.

He is basically the baseline for what average is at the PF spot. Not too old, not too young. Not too expensive, but also not cheap. Not too athletic, but not un-athletic either. Not a good shooter but really not a bat shooter either.

Everything about him is meh - he is the dictionary definition of replaceable.

What about this year 26 player, who was given all the chances imaginable in LAL to become that elusive #3 option, screams 'this guy could be part of our core'.


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Post#207 » by GEE » Sat Jul 6, 2024 1:29 am

I want to quote myself: "if Cronin feels Rui is our PFOTF"... I did say that. I just happen to think that RUI and Sharpe would be a good return for Grant, and stockpile us with young bruising BIGS. Also, I never imagined the return we got for Brogden, but the strategy was the same as I hope for with Grant: Cronin picks his target, and he uses his player asset and future picks to get him.

Lakers being interested in Grant (along with BRK liking Russel) has been rumored recently, but I think we will be happy to also just keep Grant and Reath, if Cronin doesn't love the return. Ultimately, I'd be happy with what we have, and Cronin may be as well.

Lebron's ink on his extension must dry today if I'm not mistaken, so realisticly I doubt there's any more changes... but we are in the 11th hour I believe, so as for any Laker deals I think it's tonight, or not at all.
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Post#208 » by Myth » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:15 am

GEE wrote:I'm hope Cronin floats my idea to the Lakers and the Nets GMs because I feel Rui is a perfect fit, but I also would hate for Cronin to get greedy now. If we can get Rui and Sharpe with Grant and Reath... JUST DO IT!

I don't care if we get a single pick out of the deal, and would even be willing to add picks like Cronin did to get Deni, if Cronin feels that Rui is our PFOTF. Getting Sharpe (if BRK wants DLO) gives you two chances at our PFOTF, with a guaranteed awesome rotation, especially if TL does return like Steve Austin, the $6 million dollar man - Better... Stronger... Faster.

Simons / Scoot / Banton
Sharpe / Thybulle / Rupert
Deni / Camara / Murray
Rui / TL / Walker
Ayton / Sharpe / Clingan

RIP CITY!!!

Nah, I want pick(s). Rui doesn’t impress me much and Sharpe doesn’t really either. How many non-3 shooting Cs do we need? Blazers being the ones to add picks is just insanity.
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Post#209 » by Butter » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:07 pm

Considering options for a Grant trade, the following salaries work:

San Antonio: Devonte Green + 25 FRP

Houston: James Green, Tari Easton, + 25 FRP

Sacramento: Harrison Barnes, '25 srp (from Portland), '27 FRP

New Orleans: Brandon Ingram (3 way trade)

LAL: uggh, I can't do it
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Post#210 » by tester551 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 3:15 pm

Butter wrote:Houston: James Green, Tari Easton, + 25 FRP


This one wins IMO
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Post#211 » by Butter » Sat Jul 6, 2024 5:28 pm

tester551 wrote:
Butter wrote:Houston: James Green, Tari Easton, + 25 FRP


This one wins IMO


The Rockets board is pretty dead. I have seen rumors the Rockets want to get off of Green, and they do have a lot of picks. The Blazers would likely have to throw in some future picks to balance it out a bit.
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Post#212 » by Butter » Sat Jul 6, 2024 9:46 pm

I'm tired of fans from other teams claiming Jerami is overpaid. As of today, he's the 50th overall salary on the league.

Based on a casual search, here are his consensus rankings:

ESPN.com rank: No. 58
The Ringer rank: No. 58
Bleacher Report rank: No. 56
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Post#213 » by Myth » Sat Jul 6, 2024 10:09 pm

Butter wrote:I'm tired of fans from other teams claiming Jerami is overpaid. As of today, he's the 50th overall salary on the league.

Based on a casual search, here are his consensus rankings:

ESPN.com rank: No. 58
The Ringer rank: No. 58
Bleacher Report rank: No. 56

Yeah, $20-30M below the max sounds about right.
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Post#214 » by Walton1one » Sat Jul 6, 2024 10:19 pm

And yet POR has been unable to get two first round picks for him (Grant), as of yet, just maybe Cronin is being a little greedy and asking too much?

POR got him for a first round pick, anything above that is a win IMO, not to mention having him off the team frees up playing time\shots for younger players, which is much more important.

Overall, I am not impressed with Cronin’s free agent moves, he does a good job on the draft it seems so far, but in free agency he has been underwhelming to put it kindly.

And selling 2nd round picks for cash is just a cheap\bush league move for an organization, still pissed about that.

BTW, seeing a lot of second rounders, signing multi year contracts or 2-way contracts as well, which just makes that move look even worse. I think a lot of teams are looking at the new CBA landscape, and seeing the value in having young/cheap players tied up in multi year deals, but not POR.

POR hasn’t even made use of 2-way contracts either, except signing a player who is nowhere near NBA caliber for what the third time?


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Post#215 » by Butter » Sun Jul 7, 2024 3:29 am

Butter wrote:Considering options for a Grant trade, the following salaries work:

San Antonio: Devonte Green + 25 FRP

Houston: James Green, Tari Easton, + 25 FRP

Sacramento: Harrison Barnes, '25 srp (from Portland), '27 FRP

New Orleans: Brandon Ingram (3 way trade)

LAL: uggh, I can't do it


Looks like Bulls, Kings and Spurs are out.
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Post#216 » by monopoman » Sun Jul 7, 2024 8:41 am

https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers/news/major-issue-holding-back-possible-jerami-grant-trade-ak1987

Looks like they are trying to really make a deal to the Lakers work, but right now the Blazers are underwhelmed by most offers the Lakers have.
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Post#217 » by Walton1one » Sun Jul 7, 2024 2:42 pm

Yeah, asking for two 1sts for Grant is a stretch in how this FA/market has played out, getting one 1st with little/no protections plus a pick swap, + Rui in the deal (maybe JHS?) Should be the goal IMO.

Grant’s subtraction from the team is better moving forward and getting back the value plus a little more than you paid for is plenty. Cronin is missing the bigger picture here in his quest to extract maximum value for a player whose market has pretty well dried up
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Post#218 » by PDXKnight » Sun Jul 7, 2024 2:45 pm

Walton1one wrote:Yeah, asking for two 1sts for Grant is a stretch in how this FA/market has played out, getting one 1st with little/no protections plus a pick swap, + Rui in the deal (maybe JHS?) Should be the goal IMO.

Grant’s subtraction from the team is better moving forward and getting back the value plus a little more than you paid for is plenty. Cronin is missing the bigger picture here in his quest to extract maximum value for a player whose market has pretty well dried up


I suspect he'd do 1 first but LA isn't budging up to meet in the middle at least yet
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#219 » by Norm2953 » Sun Jul 7, 2024 3:24 pm

It'll be interesting if this finally gets done after Lebron gives back enough to keep the Lakers under the second
apron.

Pushing one the picks out to 2032 might now get it done.
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Post#220 » by Walton1one » Sun Jul 7, 2024 5:08 pm

Can 2032 be included in a deal? I thought only 2031 could?

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