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Post#201 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jul 19, 2025 5:29 pm

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I agree, but we were sold DRose 2.0, so its time to prove it or shut up. Young PGs take time, I see some things there with Scoot, but man... this is the best talent you can give a young PG to learn from... if he's still not a 15+ppg and showing Amen level improvements by January 2026, trade - his - ass.

His Y1 to Y2 development across the board was tremendous (Raw and advanced stats) - the caveat being the baseline to develop from his rookie year was unbelievably low.

If he can make another jump of similar proportions from Y2 to Y3 then we might have a starter on our hands. If he doesnt, ship him out next summer for a middling FRP.

I am going to play devil's advocate on this one. If you look at Y1 through Y2 through December - there wasn't the jump we would want.

But if you look at January and February, that is a different story all together. His TS% went way up, his A/TO ratio was very solid and his 3 point shooting was really good. He doesn't need to take a jump so much as just play as he did in those two months.

Also, his defense was much better in those two months when Chauncy rolled out the 3-forward D and Clingan became the defensive anchor.

I am fully bought in (irrationally) that he will come back this season as his January/February self. It will look like a huge jump from Y2 to Y3 but it will just be consistency of play to his better months.

What I am not convinced about (yet) is his durability. But, I am not convinced about Jrue's durability at this point either or for Dame's next year. We may very well need 3 PGs to get us through the season (opinion).
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Post#202 » by DusterBuster » Sat Jul 19, 2025 6:00 pm

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DusterBuster wrote:I agree, but we were sold DRose 2.0, so its time to prove it or shut up. Young PGs take time, I see some things there with Scoot, but man... this is the best talent you can give a young PG to learn from... if he's still not a 15+ppg and showing Amen level improvements by January 2026, trade - his - ass.

His Y1 to Y2 development across the board was tremendous (Raw and advanced stats) - the caveat being the baseline to develop from his rookie year was unbelievably low.

If he can make another jump of similar proportions from Y2 to Y3 then we might have a starter on our hands. If he doesnt, ship him out next summer for a middling FRP.

I am going to play devil's advocate on this one. If you look at Y1 through Y2 through December - there wasn't the jump we would want.

But if you look at January and February, that is a different story all together. His TS% went way up, his A/TO ratio was very solid and his 3 point shooting was really good. He doesn't need to take a jump so much as just play as he did in those two months.

Also, his defense was much better in those two months when Chauncy rolled out the 3-forward D and Clingan became the defensive anchor.

I am fully bought in (irrationally) that he will come back this season as his January/February self. It will look like a huge jump from Y2 to Y3 but it will just be consistency of play to his better months.

What I am not convinced about (yet) is his durability. But, I am not convinced about Jrue's durability at this point either or for Dame's next year. We may very well need 3 PGs to get us through the season (opinion).


I remember last summer, there was quite a bit of concerns over Scoots summer workouts. A lot of whispers the team wasn't really impressed with his dedication to improving his game over the summer in LA. Those whispers haven't been out there this summer and there's even been some video evidence that he's taking it a bit more seriously this go around.

So I think there is reason to be hopeful that Scoot will be where he left off, if not even showing some marked improvements.

I'm also really interested to see what the influences of Dame and Jrue have over him.
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Post#203 » by DaVoiceMaster » Sat Jul 19, 2025 8:01 pm

I heard Rupert was working out this summer with Camara, Avdija, and Sharpe in Portland. That was good to hear if it is true. Someone posted a video of Scoot working with Derek Fischer. Hopefully everyone comes back to Portland and works together for 2 months prior to Training Camp.
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Post#204 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jul 19, 2025 8:19 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I heard Rupert was working out this summer with Camara, Avdija, and Sharpe in Portland. That was good to hear if it is true. Someone posted a video of Scoot working with Derek Fischer. Hopefully everyone comes back to Portland and works together for 2 months prior to Training Camp.

When is training camp? Avdija playing FIBA hoops in September.
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Post#205 » by DusterBuster » Sat Jul 19, 2025 10:24 pm

Completely inconsequential (literally signing a piece of paper) but...

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Post#206 » by DusterBuster » Sat Jul 19, 2025 10:25 pm

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DaVoiceMaster wrote:I heard Rupert was working out this summer with Camara, Avdija, and Sharpe in Portland. That was good to hear if it is true. Someone posted a video of Scoot working with Derek Fischer. Hopefully everyone comes back to Portland and works together for 2 months prior to Training Camp.

When is training camp? Avdija playing FIBA hoops in September.


Usually late Sept. I think FIBA and the NBA have figured this out for the most part.

As an NBA fan, I don't like it from the wear and tear. From the actual on-court side, it's kinda not important.
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Post#207 » by DusterBuster » Sat Jul 19, 2025 11:13 pm

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Jrue? Like... what up there? No ones talking about it but... why no PR conference yet?
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Post#209 » by DusterBuster » Sat Jul 19, 2025 11:46 pm

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Assuming this is the first media comment from Dame?
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Post#210 » by DaVoiceMaster » Sun Jul 20, 2025 12:10 am

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Jrue? Like... what up there? No ones talking about it but... why no PR conference yet?


Maybe they're waiting for him to come to Portland so they can do the presser in person.
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#211 » by DusterBuster » Sun Jul 20, 2025 12:12 am

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Jrue? Like... what up there? No ones talking about it but... why no PR conference yet?


Maybe they're waiting for him to come to Portland so they can do the presser in person.


He was in Portland like a week ago. The team social released a video of him rolling into the PF with his family and meeting the FO, teammates and coaches.

So he’s been here… which is why I find no PR intro weird
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Post#213 » by DusterBuster » Sun Jul 20, 2025 12:18 am

oldfishermen wrote:https://youtu.be/5AtuJQKQ2T4?si=GhchAn0t2YNHu2S-


11 days ago and not even a hint of a date for a presser. The Dame presser is already set about 48 hours since the signing announcement.

Between this and the "Jrue is pissed being traded here" tweet... something is fishy with the Jrue situation and the offseason may not be done yet.
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Post#214 » by oldfishermen » Sun Jul 20, 2025 12:32 am

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oldfishermen wrote:https://youtu.be/5AtuJQKQ2T4?si=GhchAn0t2YNHu2S-


11 days ago and not even a hint of a date for a presser. The Dame presser is already set about 48 hours since the signing announcement.

Between this and the "Jrue is pissed being traded here" tweet... something is fishy with the Jrue situation and the offseason may not be done yet.


The entire off-season has been weired. I have no clue what the deal is with Jrue's presser? My gut tells me, do not to speculate.
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Post#215 » by JRoy » Sun Jul 20, 2025 12:42 am

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oldfishermen wrote:https://youtu.be/5AtuJQKQ2T4?si=GhchAn0t2YNHu2S-


11 days ago and not even a hint of a date for a presser. The Dame presser is already set about 48 hours since the signing announcement.

Between this and the "Jrue is pissed being traded here" tweet... something is fishy with the Jrue situation and the offseason may not be done yet.


The entire off-season has been weired. I have no clue what the deal is with Jrue's presser? My gut tells me, do not to speculate.


It is a bit strange.
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Re: Trade back for Lillard? 

Post#216 » by DusterBuster » Sun Jul 20, 2025 12:47 am

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oldfishermen wrote:https://youtu.be/5AtuJQKQ2T4?si=GhchAn0t2YNHu2S-


11 days ago and not even a hint of a date for a presser. The Dame presser is already set about 48 hours since the signing announcement.

Between this and the "Jrue is pissed being traded here" tweet... something is fishy with the Jrue situation and the offseason may not be done yet.


The entire off-season has been weired. I have no clue what the deal is with Jrue's presser? My gut tells me, do not to speculate.


You're probably right. It's weird, and usually I've been able to read "tea leaves" to see what the team is thinking...

This summer is the definition of random.

If we trust "sources close too" players, the Blazers were always named among the possible destinations for Dame after the buyout. That ended up being right. That same "close too" sources is where the "he's pissed about the trade" tweet came out from Jrue.

For why Dame didn't like being in Milwaukee, it might be why Jrue doesn't want to be here (he's never been on a West coast team this far his whole career as far as I remember). Understandable 1000%.

It could all be fine, but as you get older and as the "human" element of the NBA becomes more and more real in the modern social media age... it's hard not to connect some dots here...
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Post#217 » by Norm2953 » Sun Jul 20, 2025 12:48 am

I've read reports of Jrue wanting out so perhaps he may yet end up with Raptors
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Post#218 » by DusterBuster » Sun Jul 20, 2025 12:57 am

Norm2953 wrote:I've read reports of Jrue wanting out so perhaps he may yet end up with Raptors


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Post#219 » by PDXKnight » Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:16 am

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Norm2953 wrote:I've read reports of Jrue wanting out so perhaps he may yet end up with Raptors


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If theyre offering what they were before id jump on it. Even Barrett alone might ve worth it but rj plus a top 5 protected (or even a flier on boyles instead) would be phenomenal if the previous offer was true
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Post#220 » by DaVoiceMaster » Sun Jul 20, 2025 6:06 am

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Norm2953 wrote:I've read reports of Jrue wanting out so perhaps he may yet end up with Raptors


Link/source?


If theyre offering what they were before id jump on it. Even Barrett alone might ve worth it but rj plus a top 5 protected (or even a flier on boyles instead) would be phenomenal if the previous offer was true


Was that really offered? What year is the pick? I would jump all over that offer.
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