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Post#201 » by DusterBuster » Sat Aug 9, 2025 10:36 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:It wasn't a bad summer, but it wasn't a home run either. A home run would have been if Grsnt was moved for an expiring and/or young talent. Jrue is a decent player and he plays defense so that is exciting. The question that popped into my head was who will get the majority of minutes st PG... Jrue or Scoot. Now add Lillard to the mix in a year. Maybe Jrue gets moved IF Scoot shows something this year, and he needs to shoe a lot.

As Wiz pointed out... there are some things to like, but he is going to really struggle for a while. He blocks out versus going for the rebound, he turns the ball over a lot, and he is going to foul out of a lot of games. The Blazers will need to utilize a 3rd center, whether that is RW3 or Reath, or they play small ball with Deni.

Overall, the summer wasn't bad, but comparing it to the last 10-years doesn't mean much since the Blazers never did much.


Yeah, I think calling it good/bad is wrong framing. It was maybe the most "interesting" summer I can ever remember from the Blazers.

Literally every single move the team did caught me off guard. Usually you can tell what a team is looking to do. This summer, ever turn literally had me stunned.

I was convinced Simons was getting resigned, with Ayton being also really likely to be inked to a new 3yr extension. First few weeks of the offseason Ayton is just flat out waived and Simons gets moved out of nowhere for Jrue.

Blazers are linked for WEEKS to either Demin or Jakucionis, not even a hint of anyone else really that they could be interested in at 11. No sign they're interested in trading the pick up or down, just a sleepy draft.

Then comes draft night...

Trade back, pick up a future FRP and pick a player almost everyone consensus outside of the league had as a second round pick guy in Yang that ends up being arguably the most talked about rookie of the summer - even moreso than Flagg! He was a shocking pick, then he actually showed out and had the league buzzing for a few weeks during Summer League.

So ok. Summer done. Right? The team was pretty much set after the draft. Everyone in the midst of Yang-mania in Vegas. They made MLE space with Ayton move, but nothing really to spend it on. No hints of them really being aggressive for any FA, because what do they even need at this point?...

Then Dame gets bought out.

Rumblings early that "Portland can be in the mix". Literally all of us and media members locally were like... "Yeah right..." He makes more sense for Boston, he can rehab with Tatum, than come back the following season to a freaking STACCCKKKEDD Celtics team. Clear no-brainer home-run landing spot for Dame.

2 weeks after the buyout... "Dame and Portland in discussions on a new deal".

30 seconds later, "Lillard and Blazers agree to a deal."

Like... WTF just happened head spinning event.

Even with Dame injured, you can make an argument he was the biggest FA available this summer. Any team would take a 60-80% Dame Lillard on a MLE deal, no questions asked.

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So yeah...

Was it a good summer? I don't really know.

Was it a bad summer?... I don't really know.

Was it **** interesting as hell?... Yes. Full freaking stop.
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#202 » by DusterBuster » Sun Aug 10, 2025 12:51 am

I think too with this season the more I sit on this question, I do feel like it was a really feel good summer for the Blazers. Will that mean jack **** in the long-run towards a title or this season being a winning season, probably not... but man this summer for the Blazers just was fun and had storylines that just "felt good". Call it a summer of all vibes, no substance. For the ring or bust club, I can get why this would be a disappointing summer. But as a Blazer fan with a couple years now of kind of downer vibes... I think I'm happy with this summer - questionable roster construction and all. We can twiddle our thumbs worrying about the team sale, cap holds, resigning Deni or Tou, whats the deal with the PGs, are Scoot and Shae gonna be the future... all important issues (aside from cap holds lol), but man, just a good feeling offseason for Portland.

Closest I can remember of a moment in an offseason that was exciting was the 2023 lottery night, thinking the Blazers mighhhht get Wemby, but still getting a top 3 pick in what was supposedly a generational top 3 class... Obviously thats not bore out to be very accurate for a large number of reasons... but even with that exciting moment in time, it was having a huge shadow of Dame clearly being unhappy and everyone kind of knowing whats coming...

Since then... Blazers got a decent package for Dame that summer, so I guess that was good but kinda felt awful to do it. 2024 summer was a nothing-burger. Blazers I think did great for themselves in the draft, I loved and continue to love the Clingan pick. I'm really high on him and think the team was lucky to get him, but nothing else happened that summer. Scoot kinda **** the bed working out then (something he has seemed to take much more seriously this summer it looks like), Shae didn't do much... I donno, it was just kinda rerunning and hoping for internal development that came in fits and spurts.

Hell, going back to the surprising summer, I didn't even mention that both Billups and Cronin got extensions AND the team finally got officially locked into being for sale to a new owner.

It's been a **** summer for the Blazers, one way or another, however you want to feel about it.
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#203 » by Norm2953 » Sun Aug 10, 2025 2:14 am

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Norm2953 wrote:It would be a better summer if we had just pulled off the trade for the Pelican's unprotected pick in 2026.

Team has to hope Yang develops into a star


Why? We used a 16 pick on him. Even if he maxes out as a reliable backup with some unique tools, thats fine value for 16. Then you add in the 2028 ORL UNP pick and it looks even rosier.

Ya, wish we made that NO trade. But what we got to move down isnt anything to scoff at. We got great value to go from 11 to 16. In most drafts getting a future UNP FRP to move down 5 slots would be THE best value trade of the day.

But this year there is the idiot in NO that made such a poor move that it overshadowed getting a UNP FRP for moving 5 slots. Ya, I wish we took the NO deal - but the FO clearly thought Yang would be off the board by 23 and they keyed in on him as their big swing. I am fine with that.

Did we bring on more new young players and jettison those development players that didn't work out? Did we gain cap flexibility for the future?


Scoot and Sharpe are going into their 3rd and 4th years, were high picks and both came from unconventional pre-NBA backgrounds. I think jettisoning them this early was never on the teams radar, and I agree with that stance. As for cap flexibility, we got spurned by Hedo Turkoglu who chose freaking Toronto over Portland back in 2016. This team will NEVER be a player in Free Agency.

If the choice we Simons for Holiday or Simons + SRP for a EC like Nurkic (Mirroring the Sexton trade here) - then I say screw it and take big contract. Small guards that dont D are worth nothing in this league right now.

The fact we pulled Jrue for Simons, even with the contract, is pretty incredible IMO - when you consider a landscape where UTA paid to get off Sexton, where Clarkson was cut, where Cam Thomas as a 23ppg scorer is getting 15M AV offers from BRK.


Queen however is hurt and will not be evaluated for 12 weeks, which means he might not be seeing action until 2026.

That Pelicans pick is also UNP and could be a top 3 pick as opposed to the 2028 UNP pick from Orlando which is likely going to be in the 20's.
I could live with drafting Newell, Clifford or Liam McNeeley at 23

Team had better hope Yang is going to be a star but apparently Yang had a promise to go 19 to the Nets, which is why Portland had to stay
at 16 to get him,
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#204 » by Walton1one » Wed Aug 13, 2025 12:40 am

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Potentially good signing.thought he might be an intriguing pick up for POR
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Post#205 » by Wizenheimer » Wed Aug 13, 2025 4:32 am

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Potentially good signing.thought he might be an intriguing pick up for POR


Denver has had a really good off-season. They traded Porter for Cam Johnson (upgrade) and have added Valunciunas, Tim Hardaway Jr, and Bruce Brown
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Post#206 » by DusterBuster » Wed Aug 13, 2025 8:18 pm

Almost need to update my post from a few days ago...

June = Yang Mania
July = Dame Returns
August = Blazers Sold

Quite a boom boom boom of a summer for Blazer news.
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Post#207 » by dckingsfan » Thu Aug 14, 2025 2:05 am

Norm2953 wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:It would be a better summer if we had just pulled off the trade for the Pelican's unprotected pick in 2026.

Team has to hope Yang develops into a star


Why? We used a 16 pick on him. Even if he maxes out as a reliable backup with some unique tools, thats fine value for 16. Then you add in the 2028 ORL UNP pick and it looks even rosier.

Ya, wish we made that NO trade. But what we got to move down isnt anything to scoff at. We got great value to go from 11 to 16. In most drafts getting a future UNP FRP to move down 5 slots would be THE best value trade of the day.

But this year there is the idiot in NO that made such a poor move that it overshadowed getting a UNP FRP for moving 5 slots. Ya, I wish we took the NO deal - but the FO clearly thought Yang would be off the board by 23 and they keyed in on him as their big swing. I am fine with that.

Did we bring on more new young players and jettison those development players that didn't work out? Did we gain cap flexibility for the future?


Scoot and Sharpe are going into their 3rd and 4th years, were high picks and both came from unconventional pre-NBA backgrounds. I think jettisoning them this early was never on the teams radar, and I agree with that stance. As for cap flexibility, we got spurned by Hedo Turkoglu who chose freaking Toronto over Portland back in 2016. This team will NEVER be a player in Free Agency.

If the choice we Simons for Holiday or Simons + SRP for a EC like Nurkic (Mirroring the Sexton trade here) - then I say screw it and take big contract. Small guards that dont D are worth nothing in this league right now.

The fact we pulled Jrue for Simons, even with the contract, is pretty incredible IMO - when you consider a landscape where UTA paid to get off Sexton, where Clarkson was cut, where Cam Thomas as a 23ppg scorer is getting 15M AV offers from BRK.


Queen however is hurt and will not be evaluated for 12 weeks, which means he might not be seeing action until 2026.

That Pelicans pick is also UNP and could be a top 3 pick as opposed to the 2028 UNP pick from Orlando which is likely going to be in the 20's.
I could live with drafting Newell, Clifford or Liam McNeeley at 23

Team had better hope Yang is going to be a star but apparently Yang had a promise to go 19 to the Nets, which is why Portland had to stay
at 16 to get him,

I do wonder if the Blazers were offered the same deal and if they intentionally turned it down. If so, this is quite puzzling.
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#208 » by Dame Lizard » Thu Aug 14, 2025 2:38 am

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Norm2953 wrote:
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Why? We used a 16 pick on him. Even if he maxes out as a reliable backup with some unique tools, thats fine value for 16. Then you add in the 2028 ORL UNP pick and it looks even rosier.

Ya, wish we made that NO trade. But what we got to move down isnt anything to scoff at. We got great value to go from 11 to 16. In most drafts getting a future UNP FRP to move down 5 slots would be THE best value trade of the day.

But this year there is the idiot in NO that made such a poor move that it overshadowed getting a UNP FRP for moving 5 slots. Ya, I wish we took the NO deal - but the FO clearly thought Yang would be off the board by 23 and they keyed in on him as their big swing. I am fine with that.



Scoot and Sharpe are going into their 3rd and 4th years, were high picks and both came from unconventional pre-NBA backgrounds. I think jettisoning them this early was never on the teams radar, and I agree with that stance. As for cap flexibility, we got spurned by Hedo Turkoglu who chose freaking Toronto over Portland back in 2016. This team will NEVER be a player in Free Agency.

If the choice we Simons for Holiday or Simons + SRP for a EC like Nurkic (Mirroring the Sexton trade here) - then I say screw it and take big contract. Small guards that dont D are worth nothing in this league right now.

The fact we pulled Jrue for Simons, even with the contract, is pretty incredible IMO - when you consider a landscape where UTA paid to get off Sexton, where Clarkson was cut, where Cam Thomas as a 23ppg scorer is getting 15M AV offers from BRK.


Queen however is hurt and will not be evaluated for 12 weeks, which means he might not be seeing action until 2026.

That Pelicans pick is also UNP and could be a top 3 pick as opposed to the 2028 UNP pick from Orlando which is likely going to be in the 20's.
I could live with drafting Newell, Clifford or Liam McNeeley at 23

Team had better hope Yang is going to be a star but apparently Yang had a promise to go 19 to the Nets, which is why Portland had to stay
at 16 to get him,

I do wonder if the Blazers were offered the same deal and if they intentionally turned it down. If so, this is quite puzzling.
I would be very disappointed if we turned it down. There's a good chance that we were offered this too.
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Post#209 » by Walton1one » Thu Aug 14, 2025 11:11 pm

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Look at that, a team, that while it doesn't necessarily want Simons long term at least knows how to properly utilize him, off the bench.

Was never going to happen in POR, especially with Billups as coach, but this is ultimately what Simons' role in the NBA is, a scoring option off the bench, thus why his value is low ( and why Thomas, Monk, Sexton, etc...) hold marginal value as well
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Post#210 » by DusterBuster » Thu Aug 14, 2025 11:51 pm

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Look at that, a team, that while it doesn't necessarily want Simons long term at least knows how to properly utilize him, off the bench.

Was never going to happen in POR, especially with Billups as coach, but this is ultimately what Simons' role in the NBA is, a scoring option off the bench, thus why his value is low ( and why Thomas, Monk, Sexton, etc...) hold marginal value as well


It's not oranges to oranges comparison though. Blazers drafted him, spent tons of time developing and gave him his big deal. Just a bad look to put that guy to the bench when there's no one better than him on the roster.

Celtics could care less about Simons and have other players they - like Portland with Simons - invested more in with White and Payton.
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Post#211 » by PDXKnight » Mon Aug 18, 2025 2:36 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Walton1one wrote:
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Look at that, a team, that while it doesn't necessarily want Simons long term at least knows how to properly utilize him, off the bench.

Was never going to happen in POR, especially with Billups as coach, but this is ultimately what Simons' role in the NBA is, a scoring option off the bench, thus why his value is low ( and why Thomas, Monk, Sexton, etc...) hold marginal value as well


It's not oranges to oranges comparison though. Blazers drafted him, spent tons of time developing and gave him his big deal. Just a bad look to put that guy to the bench when there's no one better than him on the roster.

Celtics could care less about Simons and have other players they - like Portland with Simons - invested more in with White and Payton.


Kinda sucks if youre ant, probably not the best log jam to play behind in a contract year. The magic probably wouldve been his best shot at 20 mil annually now he may be in the 10 mil range in 2026
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Post#212 » by zzaj » Mon Aug 18, 2025 7:04 am

Scoot and Jrue getting some work in with Chris Johnson:

https://youtu.be/iDB9_LDpUI8?si=U2a-MuxVXTzVxOs5
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Post#213 » by Walton1one » Wed Oct 15, 2025 12:22 am

Here is a piece by the Athletic on the teams in the WC, they have POR at #14 (31-51)

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6688359/2025/10/10/nba-predictions-2025-2026-western-conference-suns-mavericks-grizzlies/

Portland had a strong second half last season and finished with 36 wins, nearly scratching its way into the Play-In Tournament in the final weeks. But the Blazers seem to be a likely regression candidate on multiple fronts. For starters, the underlying data from a year ago suggests the Blazers weren’t quite as good as their record, with a minus-3.0 per game scoring margin.


and they didn't really address their offense either....

The Blazers have youth on their side but a glaring lack of offensive talent. Arguably, their two best offensive players from a year ago, Anfernee Simons and Deandre Ayton, are gone. Ayton was bought out to make room for Portland’s other young bigs (and to remove a guy the Blazers didn’t want around any longer), while they made a bizarre trade of Simons for 34-year-old Jrue Holiday, who has a cap-clogging deal that pays him $105 million over the next three seasons. It felt like a ‘win-now” move, except the Blazers aren’t anywhere near being ready to win now.

It remains to be seen how this team will score. Minus Simons and Ayton, the Blazers seem like a near-guarantee for a bottom-five offense, with Deni Avdija (who was genuinely good last season and should have received far more attention for it) the closest thing they have to a go-to guy. Blind faith in the idea that Scoot Henderson can be a plus-starter at point guard is probably the only other reason for optimism here, but he will miss the start of the season repairing a torn hamstring, and the point guard spot is a glaring hole in his absence.


Feels like this has been stated before....

The Blazers will guard you, though, and clearly intend to make this their identity. Wing stopper Toumani Camara is an absolute beast who probably should have made the All-Defense First Team last season, Holiday still has his chops on that end, and the Blazers welcome back “stocks” (steals + blocks) deity Matisse Thybulle after an injury-wracked 2024-25.

Second-year pro Donovan Clingan is limited offensively but protects the rim and cleans up the glass, while Robert “If Healthy” Williams adds another shot blocker. Even the fringe guys add value; newly acquired Blake Wesley can slide his feet with anyone, and third-year pro Rayan Rupert looked like he might be turning the corner in summer league.

Alas, the Blazers seem not quite built for the future but also not for the present. They missed their moment to trade Jerami Grant, who still has three years and $102 million left on a contract nobody wants, and jumped right back in the same boat with Holiday. Damian Lillard, back for the vibes, adds another $14 million cap hit while taking the year off to recuperate from a torn Achilles.


If the Blazers won’t be good, I still expect them to be interesting. Can Shaedon Sharpe develop into a starting-caliber wing in his walk year? Was rookie center Yang Hansen a draft-night reach or a brilliant scouting find? Can young guards such as Henderson and Wesley find their footing? Will Clingan ever score on a post-up?

All of that is a bit more interesting set next to the transition to new ownership in Portland, with Tom Dundon agreeing to buy the team after a multi-year organizational malaise following the death of Paul Allen. Will new ownership be satisfied to keep things rolling with the duo of GM Joe Cronin and coach Chauncey Billups, both of whom were extended at the end of last season? More broadly, what team-building strategies will Dundon and company embrace?

Dundon might not get to play with his new toy until after the trade deadline, but the Blazers have some interesting pathways. They can get near max cap room next summer if they don’t extend Sharpe, plus they own three unprotected firsts from other teams and likely will have another high pick in a strong 2026 draft. For the moment, however, they’re caught between a win-now team and a win-later one, without having a particularly strong case for being either.


That last sentence is the one that stings, doomed to mediocrity. The exact place no team with title aspirations wants to be, and they CHOSE this path.

I know some fans are excited about Jrue's impact, but he regressed across the board LY, especially on offense. Multiple metrics at\close to career lows.

Grant seems poised to repeat his steep decline (he can't get worse, right?) and I don't see that changing with Deni\Sharpe and.... ???? as the primary offensive engines of this team, his usage and the resulting "stat padding" will continue to take a hit.

Clingan is great on defense but the offense will be slow to come (if at all) and may never come to fruition, which, though not ideal would be ok, Gobert has made quite a career out of being a defensive savant and DC IMO is on the path to that level.

I do not see the "Camara is the next Butler" vibes that some are touting, he has not shown an ounce of that offensive creativity in any way, As a cutter? Straight line drives? 3-ball? Yeah, he has those skills and all those could improve by some margin, but I don't see any indication of him having a go to scoring prowess, he has just not shown that on any level to date.

and Sharpe? Well, he has always had the offensive capability, great size, great athleticism, great offensive feel, but he floats, has since he came into the league and his 3pt shot is problematic, well under league average the last 2 seasons and he has shown no indication to stop\curb taking ill advised\lazy 3pt shots when he should be driving to the rim or seeking points in the mid range, where his shooting percentage is VERY good.

61% at the rim (73rd percentile), 47% top of the key (66th percentile) his two most heavy volume shot areas BTW, and yet he averaged more 3pt shots than the year prior and shot worse as a result (31.1 vs 33.3). He is still young (22) so, improvement could (should?) come but the real question with him is behind the ears IMO. Can he play with purpose & focus night in and night out? Is he savvy enough to prioritize his strengths or does he continue to settle for easy\lazy shots? Can he give consistent effort on defense?

Lillard can't and he is a far better offensive talent than Sharpe and despite that has won very little in his career as a result. I cannot imagine a backcourt of two subpar defenders achieving much success, no matter how good their offense.

Lastly, Scoot? Well, we probably won't even see him until end of the year or 2026 at best, so.....

His injury was a bummer, not that I think his offensive game was going to explode, but as a potential catalyst to the offense, I think he would have helped this team. He still might, but it will be truncated and who knows how long it will take him to get up to game shape\speed, so likely another year of development interrupted. Unfortunate, and Dame coming in next year to make another complete mess of the backcourt (to go along with the Grant debacle in the front court).

Could they be better than #14? Sure. There are enough questions about NO, SAC, PHX. I think NO may be better than LY, especially if Zion plays a majority of games. I think SAC does not look like a good team at all, should be worse than #11, but they do have Sabonis\DeRozan\LaVine\Monk and Keegan (eventually), they will win games they shouldn't.

PHX should be right around where POR is, but Booker is better than any player on POR by a longshot, and IMO their younger players could surprise this year. Mark Williams was a good p/u, Brooks is annoying yet underrated and Green (playoff flops notwithstanding) is productive, at least when it comes to the regular season. I think they will be better than people think.

Also, I would not be at all surprised to see their rookies (Maluach\Fleming\Brea) overperform to expectations, just like Dunn & Ighodaro did LY. PHX has a pretty strong record of evaluating talent these last few years, especially relative to where they are picking.

Even if POR posts a better record than those 3 teams + UTA, that puts them at 11th and I don't see them (barring injury) having abetter record than MEM\DAL\GS\SA the next group of teams, and even IF they did, what a waste, lose a play in game or win, lose thier pick and get blasted by OKC or DEN in the 1st round.
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#214 » by dckingsfan » Wed Oct 15, 2025 12:44 am

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For the moment, however, they’re caught between a win-now team and a win-later one, without having a particularly strong case for being either.

That last sentence is the one that stings, doomed to mediocrity. The exact place no team with title aspirations wants to be, and they CHOSE this path.

Nice writeup in general. But I am going to take the devils' advocate take on this one. I think that locked on Blazers pointed out that a top 10 defensive team in the league most often qualifies for the play-in. That is where I think Portland will be at the end of the season. Best case scenario - 9-10. Worst case scenario 13-14. Most likely scenario 11-12. This is an opinion but I am really meh on Phoenix, Utah, Sacramento, New Orleans.

Last year both San Antonio and Dallas hit the lottery. I think the new lottery system doesn't reward absolute tanking but teams that are on the cusp and then get lucky.

If you get a lottery pick in next year's draft along with our additional pick, we will be fine. Will that happen :dontknow:

Looking forward to how the season unfolds.
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Post#215 » by dckingsfan » Wed Oct 15, 2025 4:36 pm

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For the moment, however, they’re caught between a win-now team and a win-later one, without having a particularly strong case for being either.

That last sentence is the one that stings, doomed to mediocrity. The exact place no team with title aspirations wants to be, and they CHOSE this path.

Nice writeup in general. But I am going to take the devils' advocate take on this one. I think that locked on Blazers pointed out that a top 10 defensive team in the league most often qualifies for the play-in. That is where I think Portland will be at the end of the season. Best case scenario - 9-10. Worst case scenario 13-14. Most likely scenario 11-12. This is an opinion but I am really meh on Phoenix, Utah, Sacramento, New Orleans.

Last year both San Antonio and Dallas hit the lottery. I think the new lottery system doesn't reward absolute tanking but teams that are on the cusp and then get lucky.

If you get a lottery pick in next year's draft along with our additional pick, we will be fine. Will that happen :dontknow:

Looking forward to how the season unfolds.

Hmmm, thinking the Westbrook signing by Sac might be material :dontknow:
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#216 » by Walton1one » Wed Oct 15, 2025 5:11 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
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For the moment, however, they’re caught between a win-now team and a win-later one, without having a particularly strong case for being either.

That last sentence is the one that stings, doomed to mediocrity. The exact place no team with title aspirations wants to be, and they CHOSE this path.

Nice writeup in general. But I am going to take the devils' advocate take on this one. I think that locked on Blazers pointed out that a top 10 defensive team in the league most often qualifies for the play-in. That is where I think Portland will be at the end of the season. Best case scenario - 9-10. Worst case scenario 13-14. Most likely scenario 11-12. This is an opinion but I am really meh on Phoenix, Utah, Sacramento, New Orleans.

Last year both San Antonio and Dallas hit the lottery. I think the new lottery system doesn't reward absolute tanking but teams that are on the cusp and then get lucky.

If you get a lottery pick in next year's draft along with our additional pick, we will be fine. Will that happen :dontknow:

Looking forward to how the season unfolds.


Unproven top defensive team, end of LY they had a good run overall & defensively, however, how many of those teams were decimated by injuries or flat out playing not to win? A lot...

...and they lost to playoff teams who were actively resting star\key players as well, so a little bit of a mirage there IMO. As Hollinger states in that article, the per game scoring margin is a little bit of a red flag, and I don't necessarily see that improving with this year's squad. There is a lot, too much, riding on consistent scoring from Deni & Sharpe primarily and then hoping on a bunch of things: That Jrue reverses his offensive trends, that Grant can excel with reduced usage, that Scoot comes back early and explodes, that Clingan suddenly becomes a sudden offensive threat or that Camara develops into more than a complemetary player on offense, IMO all of those are longshots to occur and even if 1-2 did, it won't be nearly enough.

Here is another ranking, from ESPN, ranking top trios in the NBA, POR ranks in the bottom group under Rebuilding.

There are few teams harder to parse in terms of their direction than Portland. The Blazers have a roster full of interesting young talents, such as Clingan, Sharpe, Scoot Henderson and Yang Hansen. But then they went out this offseason and traded for Jrue Holiday and re-signed Lillard, who won't play all season. Will Jerami Grant start? Will Henderson when he comes back from a hamstring injury? Where does Deni Advija, who was arguably the team's best player last year, fit in the starting five - or does he? There's just so much noise here that it's hard to know exactly what Portland's goals are -- which will make for a very fascinating season.


even if you replace DC with Deni, I don't think it improves their standing that much, especially considering they don't have a consensus Top 50 player on the roster, maybe not even a Top 75 player...
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Post#217 » by Walton1one » Wed Oct 15, 2025 5:12 pm

Yeah, Westbrook will help SAC, they will still be mediocre, but more heavily in that mix with POR\PHX & NO
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Post#218 » by dckingsfan » Wed Oct 15, 2025 5:29 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:
Walton1one wrote:That last sentence is the one that stings, doomed to mediocrity. The exact place no team with title aspirations wants to be, and they CHOSE this path.

Nice writeup in general. But I am going to take the devils' advocate take on this one. I think that locked on Blazers pointed out that a top 10 defensive team in the league most often qualifies for the play-in. That is where I think Portland will be at the end of the season. Best case scenario - 9-10. Worst case scenario 13-14. Most likely scenario 11-12. This is an opinion but I am really meh on Phoenix, Utah, Sacramento, New Orleans.

Last year both San Antonio and Dallas hit the lottery. I think the new lottery system doesn't reward absolute tanking but teams that are on the cusp and then get lucky.

If you get a lottery pick in next year's draft along with our additional pick, we will be fine. Will that happen :dontknow:

Looking forward to how the season unfolds.


Unproven top defensive team, end of LY they had a good run overall & defensively, however, how many of those teams were decimated by injuries or flat out playing not to win? A lot...

...and they lost to playoff teams who were actively resting star\key players as well, so a little bit of a mirage there IMO. As Hollinger states in that article, the per game scoring margin is a little bit of a red flag, and I don't necessarily see that improving with this year's squad. There is a lot, too much, riding on consistent scoring from Deni & Sharpe primarily and then hoping on a bunch of things: That Jrue reverses his offensive trends, that Grant can excel with reduced usage, that Scoot comes back early and explodes, that Clingan suddenly becomes a sudden offensive threat or that Camara develops into more than a complemetary player on offense, IMO all of those are longshots to occur and even if 1-2 did, it won't be nearly enough.

Here is another ranking, from ESPN, ranking top trios in the NBA, POR ranks in the bottom group under Rebuilding.

There are few teams harder to parse in terms of their direction than Portland. The Blazers have a roster full of interesting young talents, such as Clingan, Sharpe, Scoot Henderson and Yang Hansen. But then they went out this offseason and traded for Jrue Holiday and re-signed Lillard, who won't play all season. Will Jerami Grant start? Will Henderson when he comes back from a hamstring injury? Where does Deni Advija, who was arguably the team's best player last year, fit in the starting five - or does he? There's just so much noise here that it's hard to know exactly what Portland's goals are -- which will make for a very fascinating season.


even if you replace DC with Deni, I don't think it improves their standing that much, especially considering they don't have a consensus Top 50 player on the roster, maybe not even a Top 75 player...

Since the rest of the argument falls from this - I will take on that point.

First, they have one of the best young defensive Cs in the league (sans injury) he is going to be that much better this season.
Second, Jrue is most definitely a defensive upgrade.
Third, meaningful minutes from Thybulle will only help their D.

Worst case (sans injury of course), I think this is a top 10 defensive team.

Like ESPN says - going to be fascinating. I am very much looking forward to the season.
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Post#219 » by DusterBuster » Wed Oct 15, 2025 5:31 pm

Walton1one wrote:Yeah, Westbrook will help SAC, they will still be mediocre, but more heavily in that mix with POR\PHX & NO


Mentioned this in another thread, but the Kings have such a weird roster. They're actually super talented and decently deep, but also completely unthreatening and impossible to take serious. They are also a roster that for the most part makes sense on paper...

Westbrook/Schroder
LaVine/Monk
DeRozen/McDermott
Murray/Saric
Sabas/Eubanks

When healthy, that's a pretty balanced roster. Little weak in the frontcourt after Sabas, but overall balanced and talented. Except... all their main players a "talent... but....", they're all guys where you either don't want them for one reason or another; LaVine is a ballhog and zero on defense, DeRozen is old, Murray is underperforming, Sabas is talented enough to make you a treadmill team, Westbrook is... Westbrook.

Defensively they'll be probably pretty bad, but they have a fairly balanced offensive team.
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Post#220 » by Wizenheimer » Wed Oct 15, 2025 5:43 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Walton1one wrote:
For the moment, however, they’re caught between a win-now team and a win-later one, without having a particularly strong case for being either.

That last sentence is the one that stings, doomed to mediocrity. The exact place no team with title aspirations wants to be, and they CHOSE this path.

Nice writeup in general. But I am going to take the devils' advocate take on this one. I think that locked on Blazers pointed out that a top 10 defensive team in the league most often qualifies for the play-in. .


probably need more context

how often does a top-10 defense but a bottom 10 offense qualify for the play-in? Honest question because I just don't know

if it's making the play-in, net rating counts more that being a top-10 defense. Last season, in the western conference, the 1-9 seeds all had a positive net rating. The 10th seed, Dallas had a -1.2 net rating. Blazers were -3.0. The season before, the 1-11 seeds all had positive net rating. In 2022-23, again in the WC, 1-10 seeds all had positive net rating

another way to look at it:

last season, of the top 15 defensive teams, 14 had a better offensive rating than defensive rating. The only team that didn't, Orlando, had an offensive rating 0.2 points worse than their defense. Portland was 16th in defensive rating but again, their offense was 3 points worse than their defense

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