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Stotts UPDATE: pg 8 Woj: Stotts, Blazers agree to part ways. PG10: Dame wants Kidd.

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Re: Stotts UPDATE: pg 8 Woj: Stotts, Blazers agree to part ways. PG10: Dame wants Kidd. 

Post#221 » by PDXKnight » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:07 pm

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Dzon Dilindzer wrote:i guess we know which one (billups or kidd) nurk prefers

dame prefers kidd, but he likes billups too, so lets hope its billups for multiple reasons

Read on Twitter


well wiretap is saying team prefers billups fwiw but we shall see what truly happens. Based on won’t tweet kidd may not even be on anyone other than dame’s radar and to interview kidd may be to appease dame

That tweet makes me think billups has a good shot. I don’t think chauncey would’ve even mentioned a blazer prior to now


Here's hoping. I have no idea how good of a coach Chauncey would be, but he would be super respected in the lockerroom.


indeed and he was the biggest leader on that phenomenal detroit team even though i rooted for the spurs against them haha.

In this case it’s a matter of unproven being better than zero proven in his shots he’s had (Kidd). From my understanding Kidd’s coaching decisions would make stotts look like Phil Jackson by comparison

Bold prediction of the day: Stotts will go to orlando. Seems like a natural fit and i think clifford was fried directly in response to terry being available perhaps
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Post#222 » by d-train » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:16 pm

Norm2953 wrote:It's going to be Billups for it doesn't take much of an imagination to see how a hiring a HC with known off the court
issues would go over in a very liberal city like Portland. Hopefully Billups will find a solid bench coach to help him.

Everyone knows only conservatives support wife beating, won't fly here.
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Post#223 » by d-train » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:19 pm

Case2012 wrote:So Kidd routinely beat his WIFE, and still is involved in the NBA... Like just straight up punching her in the face, and Dame backs that? Come on man.

Was it routinely, or just when she was talking when she should have been listening?
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Post#224 » by d-train » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:23 pm

The above is a joke, in case it needs to be said. Maybe a bad joke. I like bad jokes. Bad jokes are funnier than approved jokes.
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Post#225 » by DusterBuster » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:28 pm

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well wiretap is saying team prefers billups fwiw but we shall see what truly happens. Based on won’t tweet kidd may not even be on anyone other than dame’s radar and to interview kidd may be to appease dame

That tweet makes me think billups has a good shot. I don’t think chauncey would’ve even mentioned a blazer prior to now


Here's hoping. I have no idea how good of a coach Chauncey would be, but he would be super respected in the lockerroom.


indeed and he was the biggest leader on that phenomenal detroit team even though i rooted for the spurs against them haha.

In this case it’s a matter of unproven being better than zero proven in his shots he’s had (Kidd). From my understanding Kidd’s coaching decisions would make stotts look like Phil Jackson by comparison

Bold prediction of the day: Stotts will go to orlando. Seems like a natural fit and i think clifford was fried directly in response to terry being available perhaps


Yeah, ill be surprise if Stotts doesn't end up in Orlando.

As for Kidd, purely from his coaching skills, I'm willing to give a little benefit of the doubt. I thought Stotts was an AWFUL choice for coach when he was hired back in the day since he was terrible in his previous stints as HC, but he was much better than expected. Not a top-tier coach, but above average for sure. So Kidd could be better in Portland... but that's also only really looking at part of the problem hiring Kidd....
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Post#226 » by DusterBuster » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:30 pm

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Case2012 wrote:So Kidd routinely beat his WIFE, and still is involved in the NBA... Like just straight up punching her in the face, and Dame backs that? Come on man.

Was it routinely, or just when she was talking when she should have been listening?


Your comedy skills are on-par with your Blazer opinions... to be clear, by that I mean pure horse ****.
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Post#227 » by d-train » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:34 pm

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Case2012 wrote:So Kidd routinely beat his WIFE, and still is involved in the NBA... Like just straight up punching her in the face, and Dame backs that? Come on man.

Was it routinely, or just when she was talking when she should have been listening?


Your comedy skills are on-par with your Blazer opinions... to be clear, by that I mean pure horse ****.

That's a good thing. I mean that you don't approve.
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Post#228 » by d-train » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:40 pm

Basketball isn't rocket science. Coaching basketball isn't rocket science. The most important skill needed is people management. A coach needs to hold people accountable in a way that brings about positive change. And, a coach has to be able to get his team to buy into his game plan.
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Post#229 » by d-train » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:45 pm

The reason it's good to have input from Lillard and CJ is they are the people you want to respond positively to the coach. This said, Kidd's personal issues might be factors in judging his people skills.
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Post#230 » by BigO » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:58 pm

Bucks fan here. Portland is my second favorite team because they always seem to do it the right way, had my favorite championship team with Walton and have suffered amazing injuries that hindered success.

The Bucks had both Stotts and Kidd as coaches.

I put Stotts in the vast middle tier of coaches who always get recycled. Certainly not in the top tier like the coaches in Utah, Toronto, Knicks and one or two others. But I think most of the posters here have it right. There is nothing Stotts could have done to make this a championship team, so just changing coaches will not get you a championship.Players win championships. Coaches can help or hurt at the edges, although the job TT did with the Knicks was certainly impressive.

Now to Kidd. He is by far the worst coach in Bucks history and there have been quite a few. He doesn't have the demeanor, work ethic and understanding of x's and o's needed. He is in the lowest tier of coaches. The Bucks won despite Kidd, certainly not because of Kidd.
I wish Kidd on the Celtics and most other teams, but not Portland.
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Post#231 » by Epicurus » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:58 pm

d-train wrote:Basketball isn't rocket science. Coaching basketball isn't rocket science. The most important skill needed is people management. A coach needs to hold people accountable in a way that brings about positive change. And, a coach has to be able to get his team to buy into his game plan.
I think it is also about working with staff in processing massive amounts of information and creating smaller packets of applicable information for the players, among other things like the care and feeding of sports media and ownership cronies.
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Post#232 » by Waynearchetype » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:58 pm

I think once oregonians give it some more thought they wouldn't be so harsh on Kidd. It's a terrible thing that he did, but he did it 20 years ago. Oregonians supposedly believe in rehabilitation, thats why we are a Ban the Box state (it is illegal to ask about prior criminal history when applying for jobs). I think once people get over the initial shock they'll be a bit more reasonable.
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Post#233 » by Norm2953 » Sat Jun 5, 2021 7:10 pm

Billups would need a strong bench coach, a solid assistant head coach type that would coach
one end of the court, probably defense. It would be interesting if Dame asks for David
Vanterpool's return.
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Post#234 » by Sinobas » Sat Jun 5, 2021 7:10 pm

It'd be interesting to build a coaching staff of all ex players. You know someone else that I think might be an assistant coach, Scottie Pippen. Getting defensive minded coaches could really help the team.
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Post#235 » by HoopsFanAZ » Sat Jun 5, 2021 7:20 pm

d-train wrote:Basketball isn't rocket science. Coaching basketball isn't rocket science. The most important skill needed is people management. A coach needs to hold people accountable in a way that brings about positive change. And, a coach has to be able to get his team to buy into his game plan.


Terry Stotts is easy to like as a person who is a basketball coach. Being a decent human being (despite both our best days and our worst days) is a start. I didn’t like Stotts as a game manager nor as a coach who permits mediocre defensive rebounding and 2nd chance points. Demoralizing. [Adelman’s perpetual pained expression was annoying, but his contending teams rebounded at a HIGH level. IMHO, that’s a starting point.]


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Post#236 » by DusterBuster » Sat Jun 5, 2021 7:27 pm

Waynearchetype wrote:I think once oregonians give it some more thought they wouldn't be so harsh on Kidd. It's a terrible thing that he did, but he did it 20 years ago. Oregonians supposedly believe in rehabilitation, thats why we are a Ban the Box state (it is illegal to ask about prior criminal history when applying for jobs). I think once people get over the initial shock they'll be a bit more reasonable.


I do think that in the current culture, we are too quick to never offer someone the chance to show they have grown as a human from some terrible past mistakes.

That said... there are a few past actions that are much harder to get over and potentially should really never be forgotten / forgiven. Without naming them, I think it’s fair to say that wife beating is one of those imo.

That and he just seems like a crappy coach from all prior indications.
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Post#237 » by Epicurus » Sat Jun 5, 2021 7:27 pm

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d-train wrote:Basketball isn't rocket science. Coaching basketball isn't rocket science. The most important skill needed is people management. A coach needs to hold people accountable in a way that brings about positive change. And, a coach has to be able to get his team to buy into his game plan.


Terry Stotts is easy to like as a person who is a basketball coach. Being a decent human being (despite both our best days and our worst days) is a start. I didn’t like Stotts as a game manager nor as a coach who permits mediocre defensive rebounding and 2nd chance points. Demoralizing. [Adelman’s perpetual pained expression was annoying, but his contending teams rebounded at a HIGH level. IMHO, that’s a starting point.]


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Umm, until the 2020 season the Blazers were always a top 10 (at least) defensive rebounding (rate%). You are definitely correct that defensive rebounding is very important and allowed too many 2nd chance points. But Stotts did not sign small forwards and small guards of the last two seasons.
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Post#238 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Sat Jun 5, 2021 7:31 pm

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Case2012 wrote:So Kidd routinely beat his WIFE, and still is involved in the NBA... Like just straight up punching her in the face, and Dame backs that? Come on man.

Was it routinely, or just when she was talking when she should have been listening?


Joke or not, imagine someone reading this who was the victim of domestic abuse. Your lack of empathy and perspective is astounding at times.

Ill say this once, this is not acceptable and you are on thin ice.
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Post#239 » by DusterBuster » Sat Jun 5, 2021 7:33 pm

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d-train wrote:Basketball isn't rocket science. Coaching basketball isn't rocket science. The most important skill needed is people management. A coach needs to hold people accountable in a way that brings about positive change. And, a coach has to be able to get his team to buy into his game plan.


Terry Stotts is easy to like as a person who is a basketball coach. Being a decent human being (despite both our best days and our worst days) is a start. I didn’t like Stotts as a game manager nor as a coach who permits mediocre defensive rebounding and 2nd chance points. Demoralizing. [Adelman’s perpetual pained expression was annoying, but his contending teams rebounded at a HIGH level. IMHO, that’s a starting point.]


Pick me out a winner, Neil.
Umm, until the 2020 season the Blazers were always a top 10 (at least) defensive rebounding (rate%). You are definitely correct that defensive rebounding is very important and allowed too many 2nd chance points. But Stotts did not sign small forwards and small guards of the last two seasons.


Agreed. I think the team needs a new voice in the coaching seat and the GM seat at this point but it doesn’t seem like that’s gonna happen.
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Post#240 » by Wizenheimer » Sat Jun 5, 2021 7:56 pm

DrWood wrote:If the Blazers hire Kidd, the best you can hope for is a first-round-loss treadmill.


so then...status quo

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