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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#221 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Apr 1, 2025 5:06 pm

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BlazersBroncos wrote:Simons for Rozier and #22 actually is a nice idea.

Rozier has sucked given the cost MIA paid and their expected return - but here he wouldnt be the worst backup PG for a year until he expires. And we get that pick. I like this a bit more than the ORL idea which basically ensures we take on Cole or KCP - both of whom have an extra year on their deals compared to Simons and Rozier.

Honestly I could see an offseason where we simply make the above move, trade RWIII to HOU for Landale and a 1-2 SRP and run it back. Maybe also try to move Reath for a SRP since we are going to be paying Landale already to be C3. Grant is untradable (Unless we are idiots and attach assets to move him) - Ayton likely has no market and at least he expires - MT has been pretty nice since coming back from injury, and I think I would prefer to keep him around than move him for a comparable expiring and some SRP.

G - Scoot Henderson / Terry Rozier / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Matisse Thybulle / Kon Knueppel (PDX FRP)
F - Toumani Camara / Jerami Grant / Kris Murray / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Jerami Grant / Rasheer Flemming (MIA FRP)
C - DeAndre Ayton / Donovan Clingan / Jock Landale

I think the above is the type of relatively simply offseason to expect.


I'd be pretty happy with the outcomes outlined above...


Ya obviously its not bringing in that clear-cut young #1 option needle-mover but realistically even if we tanked in a legit way that wouldnt be a guarantee. Its a pretty decent roster with a clear youth movement despite a few vets sticking around.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#222 » by zzaj » Tue Apr 1, 2025 5:16 pm

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zzaj wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:Simons for Rozier and #22 actually is a nice idea.

Rozier has sucked given the cost MIA paid and their expected return - but here he wouldnt be the worst backup PG for a year until he expires. And we get that pick. I like this a bit more than the ORL idea which basically ensures we take on Cole or KCP - both of whom have an extra year on their deals compared to Simons and Rozier.

Honestly I could see an offseason where we simply make the above move, trade RWIII to HOU for Landale and a 1-2 SRP and run it back. Maybe also try to move Reath for a SRP since we are going to be paying Landale already to be C3. Grant is untradable (Unless we are idiots and attach assets to move him) - Ayton likely has no market and at least he expires - MT has been pretty nice since coming back from injury, and I think I would prefer to keep him around than move him for a comparable expiring and some SRP.

G - Scoot Henderson / Terry Rozier / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Matisse Thybulle / Kon Knueppel (PDX FRP)
F - Toumani Camara / Jerami Grant / Kris Murray / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Jerami Grant / Rasheer Flemming (MIA FRP)
C - DeAndre Ayton / Donovan Clingan / Jock Landale

I think the above is the type of relatively simply offseason to expect.


I'd be pretty happy with the outcomes outlined above...


Ya obviously its not bringing in that clear-cut young #1 option needle-mover but realistically even if we tanked in a legit way that wouldnt be a guarantee. Its a pretty decent roster with a clear youth movement despite a few vets sticking around.


The Blazers decided not to go the direction of a "needle mover" on the roster. The only way for that to happen is via draft, and they killed their chances of that. No star player is going to come to a non-playoff team, and Portland lacks the assets to land one via trade.

If Shaedon and/or Scoot make massive leaps into "needle mover" territory, then that could be another way. I'd lay those odds at less than 5%.

EDIT: All that to say, the Blazers organization...based on actions, is not interested in rebuilding through the draft.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#223 » by Wizenheimer » Tue Apr 1, 2025 5:16 pm

Pattycakes wrote:Blazers with basically the youngest team in the league almost will have made the play in this year .


can we just dispense with that narrative now?

yes, by average age of the entire roster, Portland was the 2nd youngest roster in the league

Washington Wizards 23.6
Portland Trail Blazers 23.9
Utah Jazz 24.0
Toronto Raptors 24.6
Memphis Grizzlies 24.7
Oklahoma City Thunder 24.7
Brooklyn Nets 24.8
Houston Rockets 24.9
Orlando Magic 24.9
Atlanta Hawks 25.0
Charlotte Hornets 25.1
Chicago Bulls 25.2
Detroit Pistons 25.8
Indiana Pacers 25.8

those are the youngest 14 teams, roster-wise, in the league. But here's the thing: 8 of those 14 teams are in at least the play-in (with better records), and Portland isn't one of them. 5 of those 14 teams are in the playoffs without having to deal with the play-in. OKC is less than a year older than Portland and they have won 63 games; Houston has won 49; Memphis has won 44

more than that though is that for most of the season, the Blazer starting 5 was: Simons-Sharpe-Camara-Grant-Ayton. Their average age is 26.1 which is 2.2 years older than Portland's average (average age of OKC's starting lineup is 23.6). And the player lowering that average, Sharpe, was benched for 20 games by Chauncey. And if Chauncey has proven anything it is that if those vets are healthy, they will not only start, they will play heavy minutes and dominate usage. And as of now, all those vets will be returning next season. Further, both Thybulle and Timelord will be 28 next season

next season, the average age of Simons-Grant-Ayton-Timelord-Thybulle with be 28.3. Camara will be 25.4; Avdija will turn 25 halfway thru the season. Murray will be 25; Banton will be 26; Reath will be 29

this recurring assertion that Portland is ahead of the curve on average age is bogus; it's spin
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#224 » by zzaj » Tue Apr 1, 2025 7:12 pm

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Pattycakes wrote:Blazers with basically the youngest team in the league almost will have made the play in this year .


can we just dispense with that narrative now?

yes, by average age of the entire roster, Portland was the 2nd youngest roster in the league

Washington Wizards 23.6
Portland Trail Blazers 23.9
Utah Jazz 24.0
Toronto Raptors 24.6
Memphis Grizzlies 24.7
Oklahoma City Thunder 24.7
Brooklyn Nets 24.8
Houston Rockets 24.9
Orlando Magic 24.9
Atlanta Hawks 25.0
Charlotte Hornets 25.1
Chicago Bulls 25.2
Detroit Pistons 25.8
Indiana Pacers 25.8

those are the youngest 14 teams, roster-wise, in the league. But here's the thing: 8 of those 14 teams are in at least the play-in (with better records), and Portland isn't one of them. 5 of those 14 teams are in the playoffs without having to deal with the play-in. OKC is less than a year older than Portland and they have won 63 games; Houston has won 49; Memphis has won 44

more than that though is that for most of the season, the Blazer starting 5 was: Simons-Sharpe-Camara-Grant-Ayton. Their average age is 26.1 which is 2.2 years older than Portland's average (average age of OKC's starting lineup is 23.6). And the player lowering that average, Sharpe, was benched for 20 games by Chauncey. And if Chauncey has proven anything it is that if those vets are healthy, they will not only start, they will play heavy minutes and dominate usage. And as of now, all those vets will be returning next season. Further, both Thybulle and Timelord will be 28 next season

next season, the average age of Simons-Grant-Ayton-Timelord-Thybulle with be 28.3. Camara will be 25.4; Avdija will turn 25 halfway thru the season. Murray will be 25; Banton will be 26; Reath will be 29

this recurring assertion that Portland is ahead of the curve on average age is bogus; it's spin


Thank you...I hate that narrative. On the odd chance I turn the volume up during a game, like during a challenge or something...I always seem to catch a "youngest roster in the NBA" quip...and I have to immediately turn the sound off.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#225 » by dckingsfan » Tue Apr 1, 2025 8:34 pm

zzaj wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
zzaj wrote:I'd be pretty happy with the outcomes outlined above...

Ya obviously its not bringing in that clear-cut young #1 option needle-mover but realistically even if we tanked in a legit way that wouldn't be a guarantee. Its a pretty decent roster with a clear youth movement despite a few vets sticking around.

The Blazers decided not to go the direction of a "needle mover" on the roster. The only way for that to happen is via draft, and they killed their chances of that. No star player is going to come to a non-playoff team, and Portland lacks the assets to land one via trade.

If Shaedon and/or Scoot make massive leaps into "needle mover" territory, then that could be another way. I'd lay those odds at less than 5%.

EDIT: All that to say, the Blazers organization...based on actions, is not interested in rebuilding through the draft.

I agree with you but will "try" to play devil's advocate.

Another way would be toward a shift to a defensive minded club. They kind of have the beginnings of this with Avdija/Camara. And if Clingan develops into a really solid defender, then you have a defensive front court.

You look at Simons - you wouldn't extend him. Given how good an athlete Sharpe is - it seems to be effort. Ayton isn't all that as a defender as an anchor.

Thybulle is a plus defender, so you would consider him. Same with Walker. Banton also. But all three have to come on inexpensive contracts.

Grant isn't going anywhere so he has to come off the bench as instant offense --- hopefully.

Then you go to the draft and continue to pick up defensive assets. You are looking past the '26 season. I am going to assume we get to keep our pick next season as well.

Code: Select all

Jerami Grant      33   $34,206,898    $36,413,790
Scoot Henderson   23   $13,585,523    
Deni Avdija       26   $13,125,000    $11,875,000
Donovan Clingan   23    $7,519,920     $9,550,298
Toumani Camara    26    $2,406,205    
'25 FRP           ??   $??   
'26 FRP           ??   $??   
         
Matisse Thybulle  30   $??   
Dalano Banton     27   $??   
Jabari Walker     24   $??   


Lots of ways to poke holes in this. But the point is you could then go to FA in '26 and try to get a really + defender in FA as they are generally undervalued. One other note. The trio of Avdija/Grant/Camara played pretty well together. I "think" that Portland can get away with a three forward rotation. Walker, Thybulle and one more + defender could help that cause.

Does that get you to a championship. Nope. Could it get you solidly in the playoffs? Maybe.
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Post#226 » by HoopsFanAZ » Tue Apr 1, 2025 9:14 pm

High Probability
Simons gets traded
No PG or C is drafted (unless it’s a 2nd rounder or a tall PG who can play the 2 — Jaku or Demin)
No undersized guards selected

Medium Probability
A trade with the Lakers — Grant or Ayton — cobbling together short contacts and the 2031 pick

Low Probability
Thybulle opts-out or opts-in as part of an arranged trade.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#227 » by Sinobas » Wed Apr 2, 2025 1:55 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:
Pattycakes wrote:Blazers with basically the youngest team in the league almost will have made the play in this year .


can we just dispense with that narrative now?

yes, by average age of the entire roster, Portland was the 2nd youngest roster in the league

Washington Wizards 23.6
Portland Trail Blazers 23.9
Utah Jazz 24.0
Toronto Raptors 24.6
Memphis Grizzlies 24.7
Oklahoma City Thunder 24.7
Brooklyn Nets 24.8
Houston Rockets 24.9
Orlando Magic 24.9
Atlanta Hawks 25.0
Charlotte Hornets 25.1
Chicago Bulls 25.2
Detroit Pistons 25.8
Indiana Pacers 25.8

those are the youngest 14 teams, roster-wise, in the league. But here's the thing: 8 of those 14 teams are in at least the play-in (with better records), and Portland isn't one of them. 5 of those 14 teams are in the playoffs without having to deal with the play-in. OKC is less than a year older than Portland and they have won 63 games; Houston has won 49; Memphis has won 44

more than that though is that for most of the season, the Blazer starting 5 was: Simons-Sharpe-Camara-Grant-Ayton. Their average age is 26.1 which is 2.2 years older than Portland's average (average age of OKC's starting lineup is 23.6). And the player lowering that average, Sharpe, was benched for 20 games by Chauncey. And if Chauncey has proven anything it is that if those vets are healthy, they will not only start, they will play heavy minutes and dominate usage. And as of now, all those vets will be returning next season. Further, both Thybulle and Timelord will be 28 next season

next season, the average age of Simons-Grant-Ayton-Timelord-Thybulle with be 28.3. Camara will be 25.4; Avdija will turn 25 halfway thru the season. Murray will be 25; Banton will be 26; Reath will be 29

this recurring assertion that Portland is ahead of the curve on average age is bogus; it's spin


You'd have to re-calculate every other teams average age based on starting 5 in order to "disperse that narrative". Everyone that is going to be part of their future core was born after the year 2000. So it's not as though that average age isn't representative. 3 out of their 4 oldest players never play.

And the Blazers probably would be making the play in if they were in the crappy East as some of those teams are.
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Post#228 » by Wizenheimer » Wed Apr 2, 2025 4:03 pm

Sinobas wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:
Pattycakes wrote:Blazers with basically the youngest team in the league almost will have made the play in this year .


can we just dispense with that narrative now?

yes, by average age of the entire roster, Portland was the 2nd youngest roster in the league

Washington Wizards 23.6
Portland Trail Blazers 23.9
Utah Jazz 24.0
Toronto Raptors 24.6
Memphis Grizzlies 24.7
Oklahoma City Thunder 24.7
Brooklyn Nets 24.8
Houston Rockets 24.9
Orlando Magic 24.9
Atlanta Hawks 25.0
Charlotte Hornets 25.1
Chicago Bulls 25.2
Detroit Pistons 25.8
Indiana Pacers 25.8

those are the youngest 14 teams, roster-wise, in the league. But here's the thing: 8 of those 14 teams are in at least the play-in (with better records), and Portland isn't one of them. 5 of those 14 teams are in the playoffs without having to deal with the play-in. OKC is less than a year older than Portland and they have won 63 games; Houston has won 49; Memphis has won 44

more than that though is that for most of the season, the Blazer starting 5 was: Simons-Sharpe-Camara-Grant-Ayton. Their average age is 26.1 which is 2.2 years older than Portland's average (average age of OKC's starting lineup is 23.6). And the player lowering that average, Sharpe, was benched for 20 games by Chauncey. And if Chauncey has proven anything it is that if those vets are healthy, they will not only start, they will play heavy minutes and dominate usage. And as of now, all those vets will be returning next season. Further, both Thybulle and Timelord will be 28 next season

next season, the average age of Simons-Grant-Ayton-Timelord-Thybulle with be 28.3. Camara will be 25.4; Avdija will turn 25 halfway thru the season. Murray will be 25; Banton will be 26; Reath will be 29

this recurring assertion that Portland is ahead of the curve on average age is bogus; it's spin


You'd have to re-calculate every other teams average age based on starting 5 in order to "disperse that narrative". Everyone that is going to be part of their future core was born after the year 2000. So it's not as though that average age isn't representative. 3 out of their 4 oldest players never play.

And the Blazers probably would be making the play in if they were in the crappy East as some of those teams are.


I already did it for OKC's starting lineup at 23.6; Houston is at 25.4; Memphis is at 24.7

so then:

OKC - 23.6 average age....63 wins (1st seed; best record in NBA)
Houston - 25.4 average age....49 wins (2nd seed; 4th best record in NBA)
Memphis - 24.7 average age....44 wins (6th seed)
Portland - 26.1 average age....33 wins (12th seed)

Blazers are in the Western Conference. 5 of the 10 youngest teams in the NBA are in the WC. Portland is the 4th best among those 5 teams and the gap between the Blazers and the other 3 is large. Utah is the 5th team and they are deliberately tanking and currently are tied for best odds at adding Flagg, And the only reason the Spurs aren't in the top-10 is because of 39.9 year old CP3 and 32.8 year old Barnes

anyway, the fact that OKC, Houston, and Memphis are clearly better than Portland, by a lot, with younger starting lineups, shows the narrative that Portland's youth has any substantial meaning for the future is a hollow narrative
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#229 » by Wizenheimer » Wed Apr 2, 2025 4:07 pm

zzaj wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:
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Pattycakes wrote:Blazers with basically the youngest team in the league almost will have made the play in this year .


can we just dispense with that narrative now?

yes, by average age of the entire roster, Portland was the 2nd youngest roster in the league

Washington Wizards 23.6
Portland Trail Blazers 23.9
Utah Jazz 24.0
Toronto Raptors 24.6
Memphis Grizzlies 24.7
Oklahoma City Thunder 24.7
Brooklyn Nets 24.8
Houston Rockets 24.9
Orlando Magic 24.9
Atlanta Hawks 25.0
Charlotte Hornets 25.1
Chicago Bulls 25.2
Detroit Pistons 25.8
Indiana Pacers 25.8

those are the youngest 14 teams, roster-wise, in the league. But here's the thing: 8 of those 14 teams are in at least the play-in (with better records), and Portland isn't one of them. 5 of those 14 teams are in the playoffs without having to deal with the play-in. OKC is less than a year older than Portland and they have won 63 games; Houston has won 49; Memphis has won 44

more than that though is that for most of the season, the Blazer starting 5 was: Simons-Sharpe-Camara-Grant-Ayton. Their average age is 26.1 which is 2.2 years older than Portland's average (average age of OKC's starting lineup is 23.6). And the player lowering that average, Sharpe, was benched for 20 games by Chauncey. And if Chauncey has proven anything it is that if those vets are healthy, they will not only start, they will play heavy minutes and dominate usage. And as of now, all those vets will be returning next season. Further, both Thybulle and Timelord will be 28 next season

next season, the average age of Simons-Grant-Ayton-Timelord-Thybulle with be 28.3. Camara will be 25.4; Avdija will turn 25 halfway thru the season. Murray will be 25; Banton will be 26; Reath will be 29

this recurring assertion that Portland is ahead of the curve on average age is bogus; it's spin


Thank you...I hate that narrative. On the odd chance I turn the volume up during a game, like during a challenge or something...I always seem to catch a "youngest roster in the NBA" quip...and I have to immediately turn the sound off.


I spend most of the games with the sound off. What with Lamar Hurd's non-stop chatter, the incessant noise from the hammerblabber, the constant praising of Simons, and Brooke's fluff pieces that run over the action, the audio on Blazer Broadcasting has become insufferable
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Post#230 » by Walton1one » Wed Apr 2, 2025 4:09 pm

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Yeah, this could be said about the other potential big names that might be available on the market as well: Zion & LaMelo
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Post#231 » by Walton1one » Wed Apr 2, 2025 6:42 pm

ESPN+ article that Joe Cronin (#2) clearly doesn't agree with

After a particularly hectic year of trades and free agent signings, let's examine what the league might have learned about how to construct a winning roster. The upcoming postseason might change views, of course, but many of the most important transactions from last summer and the trade deadline have already borne fruit, one way or the other.

Here are eight lessons from the past year of transactions, for all the teams trying to improve this summer.


1. Don't trade a 25-year-old generational superstar with no warning

lol, duh...

2. The easiest way to help a young star is to surround him with shooters

Unless that player is Scoot Henderson....

Detroit Pistons point guard Cade Cunningham is the heavy favorite to be named Most Improved Player this season. But which has improved more: Cunningham's own skill set or his broader team situation?

En route to finishing an NBA-worst 14-68 last season, the Pistons regularly used anachronistic, no-spacing lineups that were a better fit for 2004...Beyond the arc, the 2023-24 Pistons ranked 29th in makes, 27th in attempts and 26th in accuracy...brought in a host of new shooters to give Cunningham space to operate. Malik Beasley signed a one-year deal, and he now leads the league in made 3s with 292. Fellow shooters were added via a multiyear deal (Tobias Harris) and a trade (Tim Hardaway Jr.)...while the Pistons overall still rank as an average 3-point-shooting team, the additional spacing has done wonders for both their team -- now fifth place in the Eastern Conference with a 42-33 record -- and Cunningham's performance.


This lesson could apply to several teams this offseason but most of all the Orlando Magic, who rank 30th in 3-point makes and percentage and desperately need better shooters to surround Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner.


BTW, POR ranks 25th in FG% and 25th in 3pt FG%, but sure, no reason to address that at all though. And ORL? wow...

3. Beware pricey free agents in their 30s

You mean like paying $30+ million to 31yr old Jerami Grant?

Caldwell-Pope also has failed to live up to expectations in Orlando. The Magic have stumbled this season primarily because of injuries, but they surely hoped for more from their free agent splash. Caldwell-Pope had been a 40% 3-point shooter over the past five seasons before cratering to 32% in Orlando, while also putting up his lowest scoring average since he was a rookie.


I mean no other player was as much of a beneficiary of playing off of great players as KCP was, and while Banchero\Wagner are good, they are not Jokic. Saw this coming when they signed him to that contract, he is generally only as good as the players he plays with. KCP will be 33 next year

4. Don't sacrifice talent from a win-now roster because of long-term apron concerns

POR certainly benefitted (unfortunately) from this and caught MIN early in the year after that KAT\Randle trade, picking up 2 wins they likely would not have

So, the Timberwolves -- whose financial situation was extra complicated because of the franchise's ongoing ownership drama -- were proactive, shedding Towns' contract in exchange for Julius Randle and Donte DiVincenzo. The problem is, in doing so they made an NBA Finals contender worse...The Timberwolves already had lost more games by the end of February than they did all of last season, and they're fighting to avoid the play-in tournament after reaching the conference finals a year ago.


5. You don't need to trade your star

This is not applicable to POR, since....they don't have one

...the Cavaliers "never entertained the possibility of exploring Garland's value in the trade market. Nor did Garland ever indicate a desire to leave Cleveland."


You can scratch Garland off a potential list of acquisitions for POR...

6. Players on midsize contracts are valuable both on the court and in the trade market

Contenders have a tendency to shift their roster into a stars-and-scrubs structure, often with little in between in the apron era...midsize contracts can still pack plenty of value, particularly when constructing trades, due to tighter salary-matching rules...Last summer, they signed Buddy Hield, De'Anthony Melton and Kyle Anderson to contracts worth between $9.2 million and $12.8 million per season. Hield has turned in a solid campaign and ranks second on the team in total points. Meanwhile, the Warriors swapped Melton for Dennis Schroder (and his similarly sized contract) in December, after Melton tore his left ACL, then used Schroder and Anderson to help match Butler's salary when trading for the six-time All-Star in February.

POR has Williams ($13.3) & Thybulle ($11.6), too bad Grant ($32), Ayton ($35.6) & Simons ($27.7) are so ridiculously overpaid. I would not expect a great price (or even necessarily a good one) for any of those players.

7. Don't pay superstar prices for a non-star in trade

...the Knicks sent five future first-round picks and a swap across town to the Brooklyn Nets. It was a similar cost that other teams had recently paid in deals for Kevin Durant, Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert. But Durant, Mitchell and Gobert were all perennial All-Stars, while Bridges had never been one of the top dozen players in his conference. Role players shouldn't cost a handful of first-round picks.


I'd say he is better than a role player, but yeah (5) 1st round picks is pretty egregious

8. Reinforce your strengths

...Thunder general manager Sam Presti made two key moves to improve his roster: He signed Isaiah Hartenstein and traded young, offensively oriented guard Josh Giddey to the Chicago Bulls for veteran wing stopper Alex Caruso.

The Thunder already had the fourth-ranked defense last season, but they sought more ace defenders anyway. Caruso ranks as the most impactful per-possession defender in the sport -- a smidge ahead of Victor Wembanyama -- and Hartenstein ranks fifth, according to estimated plus-minus. The result is one of the best defensive units in NBA history, which is fueling the Thunder to the best point differential the league has ever seen.

Thunder general manager Sam Presti made two key moves to improve his roster: He signed Isaiah Hartenstein and traded young, offensively oriented guard Josh Giddey to the Chicago Bulls for veteran wing stopper Alex Caruso.

The Thunder already had the fourth-ranked defense last season, but they sought more ace defenders anyway. Caruso ranks as the most impactful per-possession defender in the sport -- a smidge ahead of Victor Wembanyama -- and Hartenstein ranks fifth, according to estimated plus-minus. The result is one of the best defensive units in NBA history, which is fueling the Thunder to the best point differential the league has ever seen.


So, there are some similarities here. POR also has a roster IMO, of strong defensive players. It would be no surprise for them to keep adding to that in the draft\offseason.

However....No star (SGA)? Pretty critical...

League average 3pt FG% is 36%, OKC has 4 rotational players (5 if you count Mitchell, who was shooting 43% before he went down with an injury 34 games into the season) that are shooting over 39%, POR has one (Walker, a barely rotational player)

League average FG% is 46.7%, OKC is shooting at a 48% clip, POR at a 45% clip....
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#232 » by DusterBuster » Wed Apr 2, 2025 7:10 pm

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Yeah, this could be said about the other potential big names that might be available on the market as well: Zion & LaMelo


100000% this.

The only guy of those three who could win you a series is Zion. But of course, he has to be healthy for it...

LaMelo however is just not a winning player or have a winning players mentality. He'll probably have a couple playoff trips in his career, but he reminds me a lot of a Baron Davis type. All flash, no substance. Plus I find LaMelo's off-court personality wildly off-putting, insanely immature...

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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#233 » by DusterBuster » Wed Apr 2, 2025 7:20 pm

If talking about flawed but talented players that the team could target... I'll throw out one to surely upset the base...

Scoot
Atyon
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for

Trey Young

Trey has reportedly grown and matured quite a bit (this according to players within the league that Danny Marang said he's talked to post games) and not nearly the knucklehead he once was. He's only 26yo so would still fit within the rest of the teams timeline at only being a couple more years older than guys like Deni and Tou.

Obviously another deal will would need to be made moving Simons and filling a backup vet big behind Clingan.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#234 » by oldfishermen » Wed Apr 2, 2025 9:24 pm

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Yeah, this could be said about the other potential big names that might be available on the market as well: Zion & LaMelo


100000% this.

The only guy of those three who could win you a series is Zion. But of course, he has to be healthy for it...

LaMelo however is just not a winning player or have a winning players mentality. He'll probably have a couple playoff trips in his career, but he reminds me a lot of a Baron Davis type. All flash, no substance. Plus I find LaMelo's off-court personality wildly off-putting, insanely immature...

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Not picking on you, or starting a debate on the maturity level of NBA players. Just expanding on your topic of Zion vs LaMelo.

Did you know???

For the 2025 all star voting. The guard receiving the most fan votes in the east was LaMelo. And Zion was #15 for front court fan votes in the west.

Also, player votes had LaMelo #3 for east guard, behind Mitchell and Brunson. Player votes had Zion #17 for west front court player.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#235 » by zzaj » Wed Apr 2, 2025 11:28 pm

DusterBuster wrote:If talking about flawed but talented players that the team could target... I'll throw out one to surely upset the base...

Scoot
Atyon
Blazers 2025 pick (assuming is stays at 9 or drops to 10)

for

Trey Young

Trey has reportedly grown and matured quite a bit (this according to players within the league that Danny Marang said he's talked to post games) and not nearly the knucklehead he once was. He's only 26yo so would still fit within the rest of the teams timeline at only being a couple more years older than guys like Deni and Tou.

Obviously another deal will would need to be made moving Simons and filling a backup vet big behind Clingan.


The NBA has moved on from 6'1" PGs. Young needs shooters, shooters, shooters in order to make him a positive.

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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#236 » by DaVoiceMaster » Thu Apr 3, 2025 3:23 am

Go get Daniels from Atlanta. Can you imagine a defensive lineup of:

Daniels / Thybulle / Camara / Avdija / Clingan
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#237 » by Walton1one » Thu Apr 3, 2025 4:35 am

Yeah Daniels would be a nice addition, however if you were ATL, would you trade him? I sure wouldn’t, and certainly wouldn’t without extracting a kings ransom for him
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#238 » by Butter » Thu Apr 3, 2025 9:47 am

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I'd be pretty happy with the outcomes outlined above...


Ya obviously its not bringing in that clear-cut young #1 option needle-mover but realistically even if we tanked in a legit way that wouldnt be a guarantee. Its a pretty decent roster with a clear youth movement despite a few vets sticking around.


The Blazers decided not to go the direction of a "needle mover" on the roster. The only way for that to happen is via draft, and they killed their chances of that. No star player is going to come to a non-playoff team, and Portland lacks the assets to land one via trade.

If Shaedon and/or Scoot make massive leaps into "needle mover" territory, then that could be another way. I'd lay those odds at less than 5%.

EDIT: All that to say, the Blazers organization...based on actions, is not interested in rebuilding through the draft.


Consider Billups experience with the Pistons championship run. Who was super -star or needle mover for them? Prince? Hamilton? Billups himself?
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#239 » by Sinobas » Thu Apr 3, 2025 12:28 pm

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can we just dispense with that narrative now?

yes, by average age of the entire roster, Portland was the 2nd youngest roster in the league

Washington Wizards 23.6
Portland Trail Blazers 23.9
Utah Jazz 24.0
Toronto Raptors 24.6
Memphis Grizzlies 24.7
Oklahoma City Thunder 24.7
Brooklyn Nets 24.8
Houston Rockets 24.9
Orlando Magic 24.9
Atlanta Hawks 25.0
Charlotte Hornets 25.1
Chicago Bulls 25.2
Detroit Pistons 25.8
Indiana Pacers 25.8

those are the youngest 14 teams, roster-wise, in the league. But here's the thing: 8 of those 14 teams are in at least the play-in (with better records), and Portland isn't one of them. 5 of those 14 teams are in the playoffs without having to deal with the play-in. OKC is less than a year older than Portland and they have won 63 games; Houston has won 49; Memphis has won 44

more than that though is that for most of the season, the Blazer starting 5 was: Simons-Sharpe-Camara-Grant-Ayton. Their average age is 26.1 which is 2.2 years older than Portland's average (average age of OKC's starting lineup is 23.6). And the player lowering that average, Sharpe, was benched for 20 games by Chauncey. And if Chauncey has proven anything it is that if those vets are healthy, they will not only start, they will play heavy minutes and dominate usage. And as of now, all those vets will be returning next season. Further, both Thybulle and Timelord will be 28 next season

next season, the average age of Simons-Grant-Ayton-Timelord-Thybulle with be 28.3. Camara will be 25.4; Avdija will turn 25 halfway thru the season. Murray will be 25; Banton will be 26; Reath will be 29

this recurring assertion that Portland is ahead of the curve on average age is bogus; it's spin


You'd have to re-calculate every other teams average age based on starting 5 in order to "disperse that narrative". Everyone that is going to be part of their future core was born after the year 2000. So it's not as though that average age isn't representative. 3 out of their 4 oldest players never play.

And the Blazers probably would be making the play in if they were in the crappy East as some of those teams are.


I already did it for OKC's starting lineup at 23.6; Houston is at 25.4; Memphis is at 24.7

so then:

OKC - 23.6 average age....63 wins (1st seed; best record in NBA)
Houston - 25.4 average age....49 wins (2nd seed; 4th best record in NBA)
Memphis - 24.7 average age....44 wins (6th seed)
Portland - 26.1 average age....33 wins (12th seed)

Blazers are in the Western Conference. 5 of the 10 youngest teams in the NBA are in the WC. Portland is the 4th best among those 5 teams and the gap between the Blazers and the other 3 is large. Utah is the 5th team and they are deliberately tanking and currently are tied for best odds at adding Flagg, And the only reason the Spurs aren't in the top-10 is because of 39.9 year old CP3 and 32.8 year old Barnes

anyway, the fact that OKC, Houston, and Memphis are clearly better than Portland, by a lot, with younger starting lineups, shows the narrative that Portland's youth has any substantial meaning for the future is a hollow narrative


But Ayton/Simons/Grant aren't really part of our long term future. Well Grant might be because we can't get rid of him...but the upside people are talking about comes from our younger players. And I don't think many fans fully realize yet how good Deni is.
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Re: 2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do? 

Post#240 » by zzaj » Thu Apr 3, 2025 3:07 pm

Butter wrote:
zzaj wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
Ya obviously its not bringing in that clear-cut young #1 option needle-mover but realistically even if we tanked in a legit way that wouldnt be a guarantee. Its a pretty decent roster with a clear youth movement despite a few vets sticking around.


The Blazers decided not to go the direction of a "needle mover" on the roster. The only way for that to happen is via draft, and they killed their chances of that. No star player is going to come to a non-playoff team, and Portland lacks the assets to land one via trade.

If Shaedon and/or Scoot make massive leaps into "needle mover" territory, then that could be another way. I'd lay those odds at less than 5%.

EDIT: All that to say, the Blazers organization...based on actions, is not interested in rebuilding through the draft.


Consider Billups experience with the Pistons championship run. Who was super -star or needle mover for them? Prince? Hamilton? Billups himself?


Well, let's look at basically every other championship team in the last 40 years. I think I'll side with the odds of having a "needle mover" vs. not.

If you want to be a top team in the NBA you've gotta have at least one top 20 player, preferably 2 or even 3. Does that guarantee success? Of course not--there's a ton of little intangibles that make a great team. But if you have top talent, your chances of top results are greater...less reliance on the intangibles.

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