CJ TRADE IDEAS

[HoopsFanAZ]

There are benefits to keeping CJ. The risk of keeping CJ is (IMHO) likely losing Lillard. Lillard was underwhelmed when speaking about the free agents who the Blazers acquired and those who were not acquired. While Zeller, Snell, et.al. are singles or fielder's choice, none of them are doubles. Norm Powell signing for 5 and 90 is a stand-up or ground rule double. Easily. He makes it easier to score on the next trade AND Olshey doesn't have to win the next trade. Look at it as trading CJ and getting back Powell + a quality forward. Score!

If Utah ridiculously put Conley, CJ, and Mitchell together in a 3 man rotation in the back court, I'd love to get back Bogdanovic and Ingles -- and neither one has CJ's value. Together? Close enough for me. I want CJ traded for a forward of some quality because I want Lillard to remain a Blazer.

If Olshey doesn't get it done, then I hope he's fired ... and I don't tend to call for someone to be flat-out fired very often. If CJ remains, the season will be tough to watch.

[GEE]

Very solid points (as always) WIZ... especially about Olshey maybe preferring to trade Dame over CJ; it would give him full control again as well. Also agree with your Harris for CJ lead-in... fairly straight up I like, and should serve both teams well. Third thing... you mentioned the overvaluing of CJ by Olshey which isn't surprising to hear but important to note, as Philly seems to be doing the very same thing with Simmons. And lastly, the part about the brass up there in Seattle, caring more about the financials than the team's success... screw the fans! Olshey might be doing a great job, in their opinion, as Dame is still a cash-cow keeping this Blazer boat afloat during these tough times.

EGO vs. EGO with nothing getting done, while the rest of the league seems just about finished roster building with tons of strong/smart moves. Both Portland and Philly will continue to suffer, for the very same reasons IMO (imbalanced rosters), as long as these ass-hats continue to remain stubborn.

One thing is certain... Dame is coming home very soon. If nothing is done by then, and Olshey tries to sell Dame on what he's recently done, I'm fairly certain Dame's destination list will be soon to come. I just continue to wonder if this is Olshey's M.O. but we'll never know if it was on purpose or not.

[GEE]

The issue with the CJ to TOR thesis is that none of it matters. Toronto is rebuilding. They are not moving OG for CJ. Thats just really wishful thinking on Portland's part. Also, not a single rumor this offseason has involved OG, they have all been Pascal.

I think OG has more value than Pascal, so if the general consensus is it takes numerous picks to bridge CJ for Pascal, it takes even more to get OG.

Imagine if we had just simply not traded 15 +20 for 10 in the 2017 draft.

John Collins at 15 and Og at 20 would do wonders for Portland to go with Dame/CJ and Nurk

Want hypotheticals... How about that 2007 draft? Also, I get a strong feeling that if you simply switched the Collins players on draft day, John Collins would be the one getting traded to SA for the very same stupid reasons that this franchise lost out on any value for Zach. He was the ultimate stretch 4 that the coaching staff seemed to want to bulk up and play at the C. Just my opinion on this, but I think the Blazers may have screwed him over, and I'd bet he does great in SA. Same goes for GTJ! And Hood!

[GEE]

And there's this... I predict CJ won't be traded. I just don't see it happening. Other teams have already made their moves, with the only exception IMO being Philly, and they are holding out for a Dame sweepstakes.

[Sinobas]

I liked the 3-way trade ripcityproject posted which was basically Simmons to GS, Green to Portland, McCollum to Philly.

With Green we get a great defensive/passing forward that isn't the abysmal shooter Simmons is. He also makes less which is good for Portland's cap situation.

[red_power]

C'mon man, it's 2021 already.
Dray was a relevant force offensively like 4 or 5 years ago but has turned into brick-laying trash since then. Trading CJ for Green is totally lateral move to me, almost like trading McCollum for Harris.
Does it make Blazers a better balanced team? Absolutely.
Does it bring PDX to the next level? I don't think so.

Because Dame as 1st option is fine. Norm as a 2nd is sigh. Nurk/RoCo/Draymond as 3rd - uh oh we're definitely in trouble here

[Sinobas]

There are benefits to keeping CJ. The risk of keeping CJ is (IMHO) likely losing Lillard. Lillard was underwhelmed when speaking about the free agents who the Blazers acquired and those who were not acquired. While Zeller, Snell, et.al. are singles or fielder's choice, none of them are doubles. Norm Powell signing for 5 and 90 is a stand-up or ground rule double. Easily. He makes it easier to score on the next trade AND Olshey doesn't have to win the next trade. Look at it as trading CJ and getting back Powell + a quality forward. Score!

If Utah ridiculously put Conley, CJ, and Mitchell together in a 3 man rotation in the back court, I'd love to get back Bogdanovic and Ingles -- and neither one has CJ's value. Together? Close enough for me. I want CJ traded for a forward of some quality because I want Lillard to remain a Blazer.

If Olshey doesn't get it done, then I hope he's fired ... and I don't tend to call for someone to be flat-out fired very often. If CJ remains, the season will be tough to watch.

I think we just have to roll the dice and trade CJ. If we wheel out the roster as is constructed now, we most likely get bounce out of the playoffs sooner rather than later. As Dame said, it's the same roster that lost in the 1st to an injury riddled Denver team.

I'd also bet that if we don't make a major change and have little playoff success, Dame will be fed up and demand a trade. I can only imagine what he was thinking as he was wallking off the court with an L, after giving one of the best playoff performances in the history of professional sports, because his freaking **** teammates laid down and died...

[Sinobas]

C'mon man, it's 2021 already.
Dray was a relevant force offensively like 4 or 5 years ago but has turned into brick-laying trash since then. Trading CJ for Green is totally lateral move to me, almost like trading McCollum for Harris.
Does it make Blazers a better balanced team? Absolutely.
Does it bring PDX to the next level? I don't think so.

Because Dame as 1st option is fine. Norm as a 2nd is sigh. Nurk/RoCo/Draymond as 3rd - uh oh we're definitely in trouble here

I don't agree, because think defensively. You got Powell/Covington/Green/Nurk. 4 out of 5 good defenders, with Green being an all NBA defender. He's not a good scorer, but he's a terrific passer and can hit a foul shot. You don't really need good shooters at every position.

[Norm2953]

Personally, I think the thing to do is to essentially break CJ's contract into two players.

Let's say we can trade CJ for two $15 million players. Trade him for essentially two Roco level players,
guys who won't make an AS team but are good solid players who will each average 12ppg.

[wjun15]

I hate Olshey.

Please TRADE CJ and get SIAKAM ANY WAY you can.

SIMONS
CJ
PICKS

hell. give nurk too and get a center back.

please olshey please

[BNM]

How about a 3-team trade between POR, PHI and TOR.

POR:
OUT = CJ, Simons, Little, Elleby
IN = Siakam, Boucher, Curry

PHI:
OUT = Simmons, Curry
IN = CJ, Dragic

TOR:
OUT: Siakam, Dragic, Boucher
IN = Simmons, Simons, Little, Elleby

POR and PHI throw in draft picks/pick swaps as needed to make it happen.

POR gets a great 2-way big forward in Siakam to better balance their starting lineup. They also get Boucher to back up both Siakam and Nurk. Boucher can play with Nurk as a stretch 4, or back up Nurk as a rim protector. Add in Seth Curry for scoring off the bench - his best natural role.

PHI gets a GREAT starting backcourt that complements Embiid and Harris perfectly. Both CJ and Dragic give them excellent floor spacing, and replace the ball handling and distribution they lose with Simmons.

TOR gets a young all star to build around. I know Simmons mentioned he doesn't prefer TOR or POR, but TOR has a great front office and maybe they can convince him to come to TOR where he will be the center piece of their young roster (no more second fiddle to Joel). They also get three young, cheap players from POR (I really only threw in Elleby to make the salaries work), and draft picks to help in their rebuild.

Of course, role players and draft picks/pick swaps can be tossed in as needed, but those are the main ingredients. They help both POR and PHI in their quest to "win now" and TOR in their goal to rebuild.

[Pattycakes]

I hate Olshey.

Please TRADE CJ and get SIAKAM ANY WAY you can.

SIMONS
CJ
PICKS

hell. give nurk too and get a center back.

please olshey please

Yikes

[BNM]

I hate Olshey.

Please TRADE CJ and get SIAKAM ANY WAY you can.

SIMONS
CJ
PICKS

hell. give nurk too and get a center back.

please olshey please

We NEED Nurk to return to his pre-injury level. He was playing great before he broke his leg (he had 32 points, 16 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 blocks and 2 steals in the game where he broke his leg) and POR was a top 15 in defense (compared to 29th since) on their way to the 3rd seed in the West. He's only played 45 games since he broke his leg two and a half years ago. And that was in short spurts before and after he broke his wrist.

This is a contract year for Nurk. I fully expect him to come in in great shape, focused and motivated.

Also, not sure why rebuilding TOR would want a soon to be free agent center who may be due for a significant contract. Sure, they could let him walk for nothing, but that's not really adding any value to a CJ for Siakam trade. I think they would prefer cheap, young players and picks/pick swaps.

[Myth]

I hate Olshey.

Please TRADE CJ and get SIAKAM ANY WAY you can.

SIMONS
CJ
PICKS

hell. give nurk too and get a center back.

please olshey please

We NEED Nurk to return to his pre-injury level. He was playing great before he broke his leg (he had 32 points, 16 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 blocks and 2 steals in the game where he broke his leg) and POR was a top 15 in defense (compared to 29th since) on their way to the 3rd seed in the West. He's only played 45 games since he broke his leg two and a half years ago. And that was in short spurts before and after he broke his wrist.

This is a contract year for Nurk. I fully expect him to come in in great shape, focused and motivated.

Also, not sure why rebuilding TOR would want a soon to be free agent center who may be due for a significant contract. Sure, they could let him walk for nothing, but that's not really adding any value to a CJ for Siakam trade. I think they would prefer cheap, young players and picks/pick swaps.

I prefer to keep Nurkic, and I agree that he doesn’t make much sense for Toronto, but if we had to include him, say as part of a 3 team trade for Siakam, I would as long as we got a playable center in return.

[Case2012]

Nurk is probably gonna need to be sent out. He’s publicly stated that if Dame is gone, So is he…. Another ramification of Olshey’s delusions. It would be very prudent to trade Nurk as well as CJ, because either he walks for nothing in FA when Dame is traded or we vastly overpay to keep him when we’re already capped out.

[Jsun947]

Nurk is probably gonna need to be sent out. He’s publicly stated that if Dame is gone, So is he…. Another ramification of Olshey’s delusions. It would be very prudent to trade Nurk as well as CJ, because either he walks for nothing in FA when Dame is traded or we vastly overpay to keep him when we’re already capped out.

Of all the significant players on our roster that need to be traded Nurkic is by far #1.

[wjun15]

I hate Olshey.

Please TRADE CJ and get SIAKAM ANY WAY you can.

SIMONS
CJ
PICKS

hell. give nurk too and get a center back.

please olshey please

We NEED Nurk to return to his pre-injury level. He was playing great before he broke his leg (he had 32 points, 16 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 blocks and 2 steals in the game where he broke his leg) and POR was a top 15 in defense (compared to 29th since) on their way to the 3rd seed in the West. He's only played 45 games since he broke his leg two and a half years ago. And that was in short spurts before and after he broke his wrist.

This is a contract year for Nurk. I fully expect him to come in in great shape, focused and motivated.

Also, not sure why rebuilding TOR would want a soon to be free agent center who may be due for a significant contract. Sure, they could let him walk for nothing, but that's not really adding any value to a CJ for Siakam trade. I think they would prefer cheap, young players and picks/pick swaps.

If Nurk does come back to that level he will probably break a leg or hand right before the playoffs. This guy is totally unreliable (and when he does play he will foul out in the 3rd quarter)

I want to see our team with a reliable center that actually plays (and can make layups) and we know what we will be getting every night.

[red_power]

This roster in fact has much more glaring voids to fill other than replacing Nurk with an upgrade, but yeah.

He's paid only $12M per year for a reason.

[PDXKnight]

Nurk is probably gonna need to be sent out. He’s publicly stated that if Dame is gone, So is he…. Another ramification of Olshey’s delusions. It would be very prudent to trade Nurk as well as CJ, because either he walks for nothing in FA when Dame is traded or we vastly overpay to keep him when we’re already capped out.

If dame gets sent out we likely go full rebuild or pretty significant rehaul. I like the way nurk plays but due to the injury history and position combined with his expiring contract i don’t think he’s much of a “store of value” in the modern nba. His next contract might scratch 15 mil a season but he won’t be making 20-30 mil. For 20 he’d need a pretty desperate team in fa anything is possible but not likely he gets that at this point barring a huge season

[JasonStern]

How about a 3-team trade between POR, PHI and TOR.

POR:
OUT = CJ, Simons, Little, Elleby
IN = Siakam, Boucher, Curry

PHI:
OUT = Simmons, Curry
IN = CJ, Dragic

TOR:
OUT: Siakam, Dragic, Boucher
IN = Simmons, Simons, Little, Elleby

Portland and Philadelphia steal way too much value.

Most Toronto fans wouldn't trade Siakam for Simmons straight up, let alone include Boucher and Dragic.

Simons, Little, and Elleby don't have the value outside of Portland that you think that they do.

Simmons/CJ/Siakam all make about the same salary-wise. So realistically, the trade would need to be a straight swap with Portland trading two 1sts to Toronto to justify taking a flyer on Simmons' contract, and Philadelphia realizing Simmons doesn't have the value that they think he has. But more likely, the 76ers let Simmons build some of his value back during the regular season, then trade him at the trade deadline. As Kanter, Whiteside, etc. have proven, there's a big difference between being not playable in the playoffs and being not playable.