The Ringer's 2025 NBA Draft Guide is up, looks like it is just 1-14 at this point
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/They have a new feature, draft comps that is kind of interesting, as it is not just one player but a group of players with circle size that I think denotes most likely outcomes (or whom they most resemble?)
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Flagg-Harper-EdgecombeFLAGG - Comps: Scottie Pippen is the main comp, followed by Andre Kirilenko & Jayson Tatum, smaller comps to Shawn Marion & Nicolas Batum
HARPER - Comps: Ron Harper is main comp, Ajay Mitchell, Ron Harper Jr, small comp to James Harden
EDGECOMBE - Comps: KCP (on steroids), Eddie Jones, Kris Dunn are all about the same, smaller comps to Derrick White & Victor Oladipo - Interesting...
The smooth, frictionless explosion off one or two feet. The sheer elevation. The paraglider hang time. Edgecombe’s run-jump ability is a sight to behold—there may be only a handful of players in the NBA who can match his blend of dynamic athleticism. He has absolute trust in his physical gifts, which grants him a certain level of on-court freedom not afforded to most players. Under those auspices, Edgecombe has honed an anticipatory sixth sense most commonly seen in shutdown cornerbacks. He has the skills, motor, and reaction speed to become one of the best shot-blocking guards in the NBA, to go along with his passing-lane ball hawking. And he has more of a proof of concept than most NCAA players his age, having shown off these abilities at some of the highest levels of international competition. Edgecombe was, at worst, the third-best player on the Bahamian national basketball team in the 2024 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament, on a roster that also featured Deandre Ayton, Buddy Hield, and Eric Gordon.
As ever for a player of his ilk, shooting will be the most important swing skill. It was a shaky start from the long range for Edgecombe in nonconference play, but since the New Year, his numbers have rebounded dramatically. His 3-point shooting efficiency from a standstill seems like a fairly safe bet, but the true ceiling of Edgecombe’s game will be determined by what he can do with his shot on the move, both on and off the ball. There have been glimpses of Edgecombe drilling shots off curls and some fascinating shot creation off the dribble, but his broader offensive skill set remains a work in progress.
Edgecombe succumbs to the plight of all hyper-athletes who graduate to a higher level of competition: Wild explosiveness isn’t enough if it can’t be harnessed. Especially since he is already on the small end of acceptable wing size. His leaping ability can get him into trouble at times when he’s trying to create his own opportunities off the dribble. He has a tendency to leap too early on drives, neutralizing any advantage he’s created with his speed by having to adjust and contort in midair. Edgecombe is an unselfish player and has a solid feel for getting the ball to his teammates, but there are discrepancies between action and intent. He is faster and more explosive than his handle is consistently capable of supporting, which leads to some awkward moments when he’s caught in no-man’s-land trying to make a play happen for himself and others. But his effort, tenacity, and raw physical tools can’t be taught. Edgecombe has the ceiling of a two-way star, but he’ll need to erase the lag time between his body and mind to get there.
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Bailey-Jakucionis-QueenBAILEY - Comps: Equal Jaden McDaniels & Michael Porter Jr, slightly smaller comps to Danny Granger & Rudy Gay - Sems right as common floor (and most likely outcome?)
QUEEN - Comps: largest comp is to Domatas Sabonis, then Boris Diaw, small comps to Thaddeus Young & JaMychal Green
I think Jakucionis is dropping and instead you will see Tre Johnson here or a guy like Richardson\Fears
JAKUCIONIS - Comps: Spencer Dinwiddie is the main comp, but also sizeable comps to Brandin Podziemski & Bogdan Bogdanovic, smaller comp to Delon Wright
I love players who can rapidly “stack” actions. Players who know, instinctively, how to respond to whatever the defense is doing with rapid-fire decisions. Jakucionis, the Lithuanian guard who left FC Barcelona to star for Illinois this season, might be the best at it of anyone in this draft. He’s the type of role-malleable triple threat that every team in the league could use.
Jakucionis fits a flattering Euro stereotype for guards in that he has an almost joyous bobbing rhythm in the way he moves with the ball—a command for starting and stopping that really puts defenders in a less joyous place. Jakucionis, despite having credible size for his position, isn’t exceptionally long or blazingly fast. He does, however, have a low center of gravity and can be very quick from side to side or in situations when he suddenly bursts to attack after lulling his man into a spot.
Jakucionis is also a fantastic passer. In fact, I’d put him just a step or so behind BYU’s Egor Demin in terms of pure creativity. He’s able to consistently survey where his open teammate is or is about to be, where in the defense he needs to sell a fake, what type of fake that should be, and finally, what type of pass should be the solution. I don’t penalize a prospect for experimentation (I love it, actually), and that’s why I don’t really grind my teeth over Jakucionis’s ugly turnover percentage (second highest among the 164 players who posted 150 or more pick-and-roll reps). For one, he was battling a nagging forearm injury for nearly half the season while playing in a physically demanding conference, and for another, the best problem-solvers break eggs when they’re making omelets. Jakucionis definitely has stints of letting his guard down while protecting the ball, but he tries things, and at this stage, I am all for that.
Ultimately, Jakucionis’s success at the next level will live or die with his credibility as a scorer, and while I don’t think he is an “If it’s in the air, jog the other way” type of marksman, I’m optimistic he’ll be a consistent threat as a shooter. Through January 1 (so, pre-injury), Jakucionis was hitting 41.4 of his 3s, and the types of attempts varied—a blend of stepbacks in isolation and dribble pull-ups in the pick-and-roll and catch-and-shoot looks. Post-injury, his self-created 3s dried up almost entirely, which I suspect was a result of that injury to his nonshooting forearm. Beyond that, the craft in his middle game could definitely stand to progress and evolve, but he’s great when he gets to the rim. When he isn’t finishing at the basket (71.7 percent there), he relishes contact, which allows him to be a foul-generating machine. I expect his broad-shouldered frame to become a useful hammer in the paint by his mid-20s.
Jakucionis doesn’t have the kind of length or explosiveness that would give him a margin for error on defense, and he’s not particularly disruptive with his hands, so he’ll always have to work to hold up within a greater team scheme. That said, I don’t think his frame and physical tools put him in a terrible position. He’s shown that his low center of gravity, balance, and quickness can be effective in working through screens. It’ll be a challenge, but the net result should be positive.
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Maluach-Johnson-PhilonMALUACH - Comps: JaVale McGee is by far main comp, then smaller comps to Christian Koloko & Kel'el Ware
JOHNSON - Comps: Allan Houston is the main comp, Michael Redd secondary, then smaller comps to Terance Ross & OJ Mayo
Johnson is one of the Real Hooper champions of this draft, a player sure to spawn swarms of feisty Twitter warriors huffing the fumes of the unbelievable highlight reels of him scoring in every which way. Falling down, spinning over either shoulder, hand glued to his face—it doesn’t seem to matter. Johnson is the most talented pure scorer in this class. His production as a freshman in the cold and ruthless SEC tournament was undeniably impressive, but his team’s success was very up-and-down. This raises a question: Has he been put in a tough position because of the quality of his roster (or his coaching), or has his roster been put in a tough position because of his style of play?
Johnson’s intoxicating combination of size and scoring gives him the look of a primary offensive option at the highest levels, but his tools may be better suited for a different role. Johnson’s speed, mobility, and dynamism as a shooter give him immense gravity on the floor, which should translate immediately to the NBA level. He’s also flashed some signs that he could become a nifty passer within the flow of an offense. Overall, he’s what I like to call a “pilot light” guy—someone who burns hot enough to fuel an entire offense … but can also burn everything down if the flame isn’t controlled. My instinct would be to put him in a position where his voracious scoring appetite can run wild, primarily working when the ball is swung to him, moving off the ball, or attacking switches where he has an advantage.
Because of his higher center of gravity, narrower side-to-side range in his handle (he’s particularly weak going left), and decent-but-not-super speed from a standstill, Johnson is doing the bulk of his work beyond the arc and facing up in the midrange. It’s good to have size if you’re going to play that way, and he does. At 6-foot-6 with a 6-foot-10 wingspan, he’s got the frame and the type of high release point on his shot that allow him to reach into the tool bag and get to work whenever he wants. On that front, he’s been very effective this season: Through 33 games (17 in conference) at decent volume, he’s been incredibly effective from 3 in transition, handling it in the pick-and-roll, and coming off screens. He’s a threat with the ball and is a creative and angular scorer, although his rim pressure could stand to improve, which eats into his opportunities at the line. Tre is like that “Wolverine looking at a picture frame” meme, and his pull-up jumper is what’s in the frame. This leads to a lot of settling: Through 33 games, Johnson has taken 95 dribble pull-up 2s and 99 dribble 3s, but only 80 total shots at the rim.
Johnson’s frame and attentiveness can be a challenge defensively as well. He’s not particularly disruptive creating deflections or turnovers. Screen awareness and navigation are a challenge for all young perimeter players, so it’s not a surprise that Tre will have stretches when it seems like his attentiveness is causing his feet to be behind the play and his arms and hands are trying to do the catching up, which has caused him to be fairly foul prone.
This is the highest I have seen Philon in any mock draft
PHILON - Wild comps: Jalen Suggs (juice cleanse?) is the main one, Kobe Bufkin\Efrid Payton next (not promising IMO), also Delon Wirght & Rajon Rondo
Willowy, hypercompetitive guard who naturally fills gaps on both sides of the ball.
The first thing you notice about Philon is just how damn hard he plays. It’s uncommon for a player as slight as he is to consistently put himself in the line of fire. He hounds the point of attack, over and around screens, with splayed-out strides. He’ll beat everyone to the punch on an offensive rebound. He’ll take bumps if it means getting a stop at the end of the play. Real small-dog energy.
The Alabama guard has the type of game that could serve as a case study in a college lecture on classical mechanics. It’s predicated on speed, but not in the ways one might expect. It’s not necessarily his maximum end-to-end velocity that is exceptional, but how quickly he starts, stops, and bends. His curvilinear acceleration—the speed with which he can turn a corner—creates advantages for him on both sides of the screen, as an initiator on offense and a navigator on defense. He knows how to create advantages for himself and has the vision and timing to pass his teammates open.
Philon’s vertical pop is a bit underwhelming, but he combats that lack of explosiveness by adjusting his time signatures: His drives to the rim are less run-jump and more skip-hop-lunge. There aren’t many players in the class better at downshifting their speed in the paint: His jail dribble is arresting; his floater is one of the very best in college basketball.
Teams will wonder about Philon’s true shooting potential. Long-range consistency has eluded him in Tuscaloosa, after he hit 41 percent of his 3-point attempts in his final year of high school. And as much as Philon relishes in physical play, his frame may always present some limitations—as poised and fluid as he is as a mover, he can get rattled on screens. Philon has a rare motor and a hunger that allows him to play far bigger than his size at the college level. But without outlier athletic traits, some of the more unconventional positives in Philon’s game could be neutralized in the NBA. Still, players with this level of competitive fire have a decent track record of being better than the sum of their parts—and there is a clear outline of a two-way guard with dribble-pass-shoot capability. Such players rarely make it past the top half of the first round.
Now we move into POR range
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Fears-Sorber-Murray-BoylesFEARS - Comps: Devin Harris & Jerryd Bayless are main comps, then Jaden Ivey & Scoot Henderson
SORBER - Comps: main comp by far is Kevin Looney, smaller comps to Trayce Jackson-Davis, Wendell Carter & Al Horford
MURRAY-BOYLES - Comps: Anthony Mason is main comp, Draymond Green & Ron Artest are lesser comps.
It might not be a smart move trying to pitch the idea of Murray-Boyles in an elevator. He’s a remarkable defender who blends instinct and intelligence with strength, catlike reflexes, and lateral agility that’s unique for his frame. But … he’s a tweener (strike one) who doesn’t really shoot (strike two) and whose obvious playmaking vision and instincts are stymied by a neutral assist-to-turnover ratio (strike three)—without the absurd athleticism that allowed a player like Zion Williamson to transcend such mortal limitations (OK, we’re done here, pal).
There aren’t too many success stories in the NBA with a prospect profile like CMB’s. That’s a significant barrier; teams are looking for precedents to follow. Just watch him play, though. It isn’t hard to imagine Murray-Boyles as a Swiss Army knife in the pick-and-roll on both sides of the ball. He can rumble into a blitz, creating havoc for the ball handler with his quick hands and broad frame; he can operate in the two-man game himself as either the initiator or the roller. He has the quickest hands in the class and would be a terror as a help defender digging at the nail. CMB’s brand of versatility may be unorthodox, but his particular gifts and outright motor could give shape to a defense.
On offense, Murray-Boyles is a handful in the post, where his power, footwork, and passing vision really shine. Of course, there aren’t many teams in the NBA clamoring for a 6-foot-7 post hub these days. South Carolina has given CMB plenty of room to explore the limits of his offensive repertoire—his usage rate is up there with the biggest names in college basketball. His on-ball creation is still a work in progress, as evidenced by his turnovers, but for a player with his oxlike frame, Murray-Boyles has shown the ability to vary his drives by changing speeds and accentuating either his touch or his bullying force, depending on the situation.
As reductive as it sounds, CMB’s trajectory could very well come down to his shooting. Draymond Green once had positional concerns despite outstanding defensive aptitude, but his gradual improvements from behind the arc (and a David Lee hamstring injury) ultimately helped him get his foot in the door at Golden State. It’ll be an uphill climb for Murray-Boyles, but teams have been looking for their own personal Draymonds for more than a decade, and CMB actually has the skill set, not just the chalk outline of one, to make it happen.
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Kneuppel-DeminKNEUPPEL - Comps: Largest comp to Gordan Hayward, then Wally Sczerbiak, smaller comps to Luke Kennard & Evan Fournier
Stout floor spacer with the potential to add more to his offensive bag.High-level floor spacers who can knock down shots from beyond the arc in a variety of ways do not typically come in a brawny, bully-ball body type, but Knueppel has a chance to be one of the best of a rare bunch. He won’t consistently splash shots moving side to side with a phone booth’s worth of space, but he’s a major threat after setting a screen, and he’s money spotting up as a spacer (47 percent on spot-up 3s on the season). That shooting prowess, combined with his ability to consistently make basic reads and the flashes of creating his own shot in the midrange, have had my mind spinning about what else he could become.
Before this college basketball season, I wondered aloud whether Knueppel would wind up being Duke’s primary ball handler. While I still think he has some real potential in that area, I was probably a little ahead of myself on the timeline. Knueppel has polished footwork and shot mechanics in the midrange, but he’s still in the process of feeling comfortable burrowing his way into the paint with a live dribble and administering contact while staying balanced. The question going forward will be how much of a difference added strength and tightening the handle make because he has the tools to immobilize a defense with his ballhandling.
Knueppel is a high-feel player. Defenses pick him up beyond the arc because of his shooting ability, and the vast majority of the time, he forces his defender to chase him over screens. Once inside the second level of the floor, he’s repeatedly shown a sense for how the defense is tilting to take away his primary passing options, which, if we’re being honest, are among the best in college basketball. Very few teams are equipped to combat both a gargantuan rim-running lob target like Khaman Maluach and a springy and savvy forward like Cooper Flagg, and that creates a vending machine of kick-out opportunities. On the season, Knueppel is posting a 1.15 points-per-possession efficiency (93rd percentile) when the help defense is forced to commit to taking away his rolling big man.
Knueppel’s margin for error on the defensive end will be much slimmer. Despite having respectable size at 6-foot-7 and a lower body like a Humvee, Knueppel’s ability to navigate off-ball actions or contain ball handlers on an island in the NBA is a real question mark. It’s never an issue of effort or technique; instead, it seems like his feet, hips, and legs are stuck in mud whenever he tries to turn the corner and chase his man. Physical improvement, specifically lateral mobility and strength, will be on the docket in the pros, but his mastery of smaller details, such as a familiarity with his team’s scheme and the opposition, will likely make the difference between whether he’ll sink or swim on that end of the floor.
DEMIN - Interesting comps - Main comp is Livingston, then Giddey, but also smaller comps to Kyle Anderson, Leandro Bolmaro & Deni Avdija
Playmaker with a dictionary-thick passing vocabulary in need of the scoring consistency to put it to use.
Demin is the Three-Eyed Raven of this draft—he sees everything at all times. He is
the most talented all-around passer in the draft, spotting cutters and weakside looks from 3 that others simply do not. He makes simple reads within the flow of the offense, whether he’s playing off the catch and attacking a closeout or catching the ball in the middle of the floor, but most importantly, he’s
gifted at using his outside-the-box thinking to pry open passing windows. With a live dribble, he excels at using his terrific size to sling pinpointed darts with overhand touch. And,
crucially, he passes a shootable ball—they’re typically on time and on target, with the right amount of ball deceleration so that the recipient can flow into their motion.Some players put pressure on the defense with their scoring and have to learn how to get rid of the ball once they garner too much attention. But Demin’s game is inverted in that way: He’s almost always looking to get rid of the ball. While he shows flashes of scoring prowess at all three levels of the floor, he struggled to score in any fashion when BYU’s schedule turned to (the far more physical) Big 12 play. Demin’s
not an especially shifty athlete—his posture is fairly upright—and the seams can really show in his handle when teams apply ball pressure. With a clear line to the rim, he’ll attack a driving lane and punch it, but otherwise he’ll rely on extension and evasion at the rim—or, sometimes, he’ll neglect to pressure at all. When his shot is falling, Demin can thrive by simply making the correct read and capitalizing on it with his creativity. When it’s not,
defenders often overplay the roller and dare him to take those above-the-break shots; if that continues, it’s difficult to imagine him being more than a supplementary handler who’d do best next to a big-time scorer.The defensive profile is what you typically see from players of his type. But
despite the poor lateral mobility, lean frame, and rigid posture, the effort is not a question. Demin’s anticipation is good, and his combination of hand-eye coordination and size helps him get into higher passing lanes and create deflections. I just wouldn’t bet on him ever being a plus defender.