Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade

[DaVoiceMaster]

Cj and Dame think melo is interested in joining the Blazers lol

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Hopefully it gets to the point that Melo realizes its either the Blazers or staying in NY. Worst case scenario, he plays one season with Dame, CJ and Nurk. If it doesn't work out, he can opt out next year. Instant cap savings for the Blazers!

This is what I'm hoping too.

It seems like the only teams he's currently willing to goto are Houston and Cleveland. Neither team has stuff the Knicks want in a direct trade. The Blazers do and it seems the Knicks are deadset on trying to get Harkless.

If Melo has half a brain, spending one season in Portland shouldn't be THAT big of a problem. It's certainly better than pissing away another 30 win season with the Knicks. Like you said, if he just hates cold rainy Portland to death, he's free to go wherever he wants next July, but at least he'd actually sniff the playoffs again in Portland with the potential for a deep run next year if things break right.

It'll be interesting to see how Dame and CJ's pitches go over with him.

What exactly do the Blazers have that the Knicks would want?!?!?

[Butter]

Hopefully it gets to the point that Melo realizes its either the Blazers or staying in NY. Worst case scenario, he plays one season with Dame, CJ and Nurk. If it doesn't work out, he can opt out next year. Instant cap savings for the Blazers!

This is what I'm hoping too.

It seems like the only teams he's currently willing to goto are Houston and Cleveland. Neither team has stuff the Knicks want in a direct trade. The Blazers do and it seems the Knicks are deadset on trying to get Harkless.

If Melo has half a brain, spending one season in Portland shouldn't be THAT big of a problem. It's certainly better than pissing away another 30 win season with the Knicks. Like you said, if he just hates cold rainy Portland to death, he's free to go wherever he wants next July, but at least he'd actually sniff the playoffs again in Portland with the potential for a deep run next year if things break right.

It'll be interesting to see how Dame and CJ's pitches go over with him.

What exactly do the Blazers have that the Knicks would want?!?!?

The "not Ryan Anderson" factor.

[PDXKnight]

Hopefully it gets to the point that Melo realizes its either the Blazers or staying in NY. Worst case scenario, he plays one season with Dame, CJ and Nurk. If it doesn't work out, he can opt out next year. Instant cap savings for the Blazers!

This is what I'm hoping too.

It seems like the only teams he's currently willing to goto are Houston and Cleveland. Neither team has stuff the Knicks want in a direct trade. The Blazers do and it seems the Knicks are deadset on trying to get Harkless.

If Melo has half a brain, spending one season in Portland shouldn't be THAT big of a problem. It's certainly better than pissing away another 30 win season with the Knicks. Like you said, if he just hates cold rainy Portland to death, he's free to go wherever he wants next July, but at least he'd actually sniff the playoffs again in Portland with the potential for a deep run next year if things break right.

It'll be interesting to see how Dame and CJ's pitches go over with him.

What exactly do the Blazers have that the Knicks would want?!?!?

Yeah I'm wondering this too. On one hand they might like harkless but if we're packaging him with et or Meyers that might complicate it

[NotPhilJackson]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

[david_james]

Hopefully it gets to the point that Melo realizes its either the Blazers or staying in NY. Worst case scenario, he plays one season with Dame, CJ and Nurk. If it doesn't work out, he can opt out next year. Instant cap savings for the Blazers!

This is what I'm hoping too.

It seems like the only teams he's currently willing to goto are Houston and Cleveland. Neither team has stuff the Knicks want in a direct trade. The Blazers do and it seems the Knicks are deadset on trying to get Harkless.

If Melo has half a brain, spending one season in Portland shouldn't be THAT big of a problem. It's certainly better than pissing away another 30 win season with the Knicks. Like you said, if he just hates cold rainy Portland to death, he's free to go wherever he wants next July, but at least he'd actually sniff the playoffs again in Portland with the potential for a deep run next year if things break right.

It'll be interesting to see how Dame and CJ's pitches go over with him.

What exactly do the Blazers have that the Knicks would want?!?!?

Coming from a Knicks' fan, you have youth and picks. I floated the idea on our board of a deal that would send Carmelo and O'Quinn to Portland for Harkless, Leonard, Ed Davis and next years 1st round pick.

[BlazersBroncos]

Carmelo and O'Quinn to Portland for Harkless, Leonard, Ed Davis and next years 1st round pick.

As long as there is lotto protection on the R1, I am game for that trade.

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

We are not dealing Zach or Caleb, nor would we be willing to deal both our defensive SF in a single trade. It would be nice to move Crabbe, but he isn't nearly the burden Turner is. I definitely wouldn't do this deal.

[NotPhilJackson]

Carmelo and O'Quinn to Portland for Harkless, Leonard, Ed Davis and next years 1st round pick.

As long as there is lotto protection on the R1, I am game for that trade.

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

We are not dealing Zach or Caleb, nor would we be willing to deal both our defensive SF in a single trade. It would be nice to move Crabbe, but he isn't nearly the burden Turner is. I definitely wouldn't do this deal.

Alright, well I'm not doing that 1st deal, you aren't doing the second deal. Knick's aren't taking on Leonard's contract for Harkless & a 1st. Pretty sure we could of already done that a week ago if that was what we wanted to do. I offered you 19M freedom in Cap space. How about you swap Aminu for Davis in this scenario? Would you be more inclined to accept then?

[Billy]

What exactly do the Blazers have that the Knicks would want?!?!?

I've asked myself this same question quite a bit. My best assumption in general is that it is probably less with what we have and more with what Houston and Cleveland don't--semi-proven and/or attractive young players.

I think the reason we're in this comes down to a few factors:

1. Houston and Cleveland can't offer NY what they want outright.
2. Portland may be one of the few teams with an attractive enough core to interest Anthony with an outside shot of him waiving his NTC.
3. We have multiple young assets we'd be willing to part with.

That's certainly not to say that Portland is the only option outside of Houston and Cleveland. But when you look at the playoff teams from last year and take away the teams that wouldn't have interest in Anthony (in trade) such as SA, GSW, Boston, OKC, Chicago, Toronto(?) etc., and then removing a few teams that may not be in the playoffs (LAC, UTA)--you aren't left with a lot of options. Anthony's NTC pretty much kills everything else. You won't have some random team that missed the playoffs by 8 games come out of nowhere and snag him. He will almost assuredly never waive the clause.

I also wouldn't be surprised if during the multi-team discussions Portland didn't realize pretty quickly that they were the team compensating the Knicks the most. I would imagine it's pretty similar to when we're proposing our own mock trades and people ask "why don't you just cut out team A and B and C just deal directly?". Reading the tea leaves of all of the hub-bub surrounding NYK's interest in Harkless (for whatever reason), combined with NY stating on a couple occasions that they wanted Carmelo to expand his list, leads me to believe that both NY and Portland realized that they could just do a deal together, but it's a matter of convincing Melo now.

[Ripcity4life]

It's starting to look like an old fashion standoff and which side or sides blink 1st between Knicks , Melo , Rockets and MAYBE the Cav's. Also with the news Rose might sign with the Cavs now its hard to say if they are serious players. Now it's time for Olshey to sit back and whatever side crumbles 1st swoop in and take advantage of it ( IF possible).

I still think it's a long shot Melo adds Portland to the list but the longer this drags out the better chance for Olshey and the Blazers.

[HoopsFanAZ]

NotPhilJackson (in the Lillard-McCollum recruiting thread) reasonably suggests that (whether by design or not), Anthony uses this as pressure upon Houston to ante up more than they are offering.

Billy reasonably lays out both what Portland likely realized in negotiations and their own opportunity to get Anthony.

These are not mutually exclusive. Both have logic and common sense within. And it does appear (including to NY fans on their realgm board, for the most part) that Portland is both willing and able to offer up better trade assets (not Anderson) than Houston has to date.

Outcome: NY doesn't want to keep Anthony one day longer than necessary. If one year is necessary rather than lodestone contracts like Anderson, then they'll wait. Better to suck and be in the lottery than being known as suckers. This is an unlikely outcome. More likely: Morey pays up by including Eric Gordon and Trevor Ariza. Anderson is more likely to stay in Houston.

The Blazers: Waiting to scoop up Anthony if NY-Houston won't budge (well positioned and showing interest to Anthony) BUT can get Gordon in the package with NY.

[Ripcity4life]

Bored so came up with a FAIR -- well what i think is a fair trade to get Melo to the Cavs --- LOL -- Enjoy !!

TO Knicks -- Mo Harkless , Myers and Pat C plus Cavs 1st round pick and Portland 2nd (if they have any) or hell throw in Cash

TO : Cavs --- Melo and Ed Davis and a Top 10 /15 protected 1st round pick ( from Portland) and Maybe Knicks throw in a 2nd to help grease the wheels or something

TO Blazers --- Tristan Thompson , Ian Shumpert and Kuzminskas ( from KNicks )

I think ALL sides win and Blazers get a young big who i think might prefer to be a PF then a center.

I know some might balk at Shumpert but if your going to give away Hark who is a solid Defender getting someone back who is pretty good too needs to happen.


Also if someone else on this board came up with same deal and posted it sorry do not read every post and was playing around with ESPN trade tool - LOL

[GEE]

Portland could offer Harkless (who'd be NY's starting SF day one), Vonleh, Leonard and 2018 1st. I think the Knicks brass would do the trade. It's a good, if not great return for Melo. The problem isn't the value, the problem is Melo; Apparently, according to Woj, Melo isn't interested in waiving his NTC to join the Blazers.

This is dumb on his part. He has two choices: Stay with NY, and play a lesser role with a team that is committed to rebuilding and those players, not be in the playoffs, and go ring chasing with a minimum contract next year. Or he could waive his NTC, be a part of a winning team, be in the playoffs, improve his stock and image, become a free agent at the end of the year and sign one more big contract.

He's gonna show his true colors. Is he about winning, or is he just about cashing checks? Regardless... If he doesn't want to come to Portland, than I don't want him. Let him rot in NY.

[DusterBuster]

Bored so came up with a FAIR -- well what i think is a fair trade to get Melo to the Cavs --- LOL -- Enjoy !!

TO Knicks -- Mo Harkless , Myers and Pat C plus Cavs 1st round pick and Portland 2nd (if they have any) or hell throw in Cash

TO : Cavs --- Melo and Ed Davis and a Top 10 /15 protected 1st round pick ( from Portland) and Maybe Knicks throw in a 2nd to help grease the wheels or something

TO Blazers --- Tristan Thompson , Ian Shumpert and Kuzminskas ( from KNicks )

I think ALL sides win and Blazers get a young big who i think might prefer to be a PF then a center.

I know some might balk at Shumpert but if your going to give away Hark who is a solid Defender getting someone back who is pretty good too needs to happen.


Also if someone else on this board came up with same deal and posted it sorry do not read every post and was playing around with ESPN trade tool - LOL

Not sure why Portland wants Thompson honestly. He's a nice little player, but overpaid for how limited he is..... Granted, a team trading Meyers Leonard shouldn't exactly throw stones, but still...

[DusterBuster]

Portland could offer Harkless (who'd be NY's starting SF day one), Vonleh, Leonard and 2018 1st. I think the Knicks brass would do the trade. It's a good, if not great return for Melo. The problem isn't the value, the problem is Melo; Apparently, according to Woj, Melo isn't interested in waiving his NTC to join the Blazers.

This is dumb on his part. He has two choices: Stay with NY, and play a lesser role with a team that is committed to rebuilding and those players, not be in the playoffs, and go ring chasing with a minimum contract next year. Or he could waive his NTC, be a part of a winning team, be in the playoffs, improve his stock and image, become a free agent at the end of the year and sign one more big contract.

He's gonna show his true colors. Is he about winning, or is he just about cashing checks? Regardless... If he doesn't want to come to Portland, than I don't want him. Let him rot in NY.

I'm wondering how current that information is though and if the Blazers still couldn't change his mind. Zach Lowe did a podcast with Ian Begly and Scott Howard, two ESPN writers, both thought it was unlikely Melo waives his NTC for Portland, but they also thought he would be a pretty great fit in Portland and it may not be unthinkable he can change his mind.

[GEE]

I brought up the idea of trading for him months ago, because I thought it would be good for our team to get another star player to help our chances to win a championship. I thought it would also be good for him, to improve his image as a player, being part of a winning team.

Bottom line is, he should see this as a great opportunity, and he needs to want to be part of the Blazers. If so, I'm all for it. But if he doesn't really WANT to be here, F'em, let him rot in NY.

[tester551]

I really like the idea of Melo to Cleveland. The key is for Cleveland not to increase their payroll.

Here is my idea:

Cleveland Out:
Love, Frye, Felder - ($31.3M)

Cleveland In:
Melo (no trade kicker), O'Quinn - ($30.3M) + Rights to swap picks with Portland + Frye back on a Vet Min Contract after buy-out ($2M)

Melo & Lebron can play both forward positions and will be able to swap throughout the game - making both much more versatile. They get KOQ to help bang down low and provide some additional depth.

Cleveland Depth Chart
Irving, Rose?, Calderon
Smith, Korver, Shumpert
Lebron, Jefferson, Osman
Melo, Frye, Green
Thompson, KOQ, Tavers


NYK Out:
Melo, Lee, O'Quinn - ($42.0M)

NYK In:
Harkless, Crabbe (with kicker), Frye, Felder (cut) - ($41.1M) + Lower of Cleveland/Portland 1st round pick

Follow up trade so Cavs can get Frye back after buy-out:
NYK Out:
Frye ($7.4M)

NYK In:
Davis ($6.3M)

NYK go young.

New York Depth Chart
_TBD_, Frank N., Randle
Crabbe, Hardaway, Dotson
Harkless, Thomas, Kuzminskas
Porzingas, Davis, _TBD_
Hernangomez, Noah, _TBD_


Portland Out:
Harkless, Crabbe - ($29.5M) + '18 First round pick swap with Cleveland -> later of the two picks goes to Knicks.

Portland In:
Love, Lee - ($34.4M)

Follow up trade so Cavs can get Frye back after buy-out:
Portland Out:
Davis ($6.3M)

Portland In:
Frye ($7.4M) - Buy out after trade.

Portland cleans up some roster spots & gains talent.

Portland Depth Chart
Lillard, Napier, _TBD_
CJ, Lee, Pat
Aminu, Turner, Layman
Love, Vonleh, Swanigan
Nurk, Collins, Leonard

[borgradr]

I really like the idea of Melo to Cleveland. The key is for Cleveland not to increase their payroll.

Here is my idea:

Cleveland Out:
Love, Frye, Felder - ($31.3M)

Cleveland In:
Melo (no trade kicker), O'Quinn - ($30.3M) + Rights to swap picks with Portland + Frye back on a Vet Min Contract after buy-out ($2M)

Melo & Lebron can play both forward positions and will be able to swap throughout the game - making both much more versatile. They get KOQ to help bang down low and provide some additional depth.

Cleveland Depth Chart
Irving, Rose?, Calderon
Smith, Korver, Shumpert
Lebron, Jefferson, Osman
Melo, Frye, Green
Thompson, KOQ, Tavers


NYK Out:
Melo, Lee, O'Quinn - ($42.0M)

NYK In:
Harkless, Crabbe (with kicker), Frye, Felder (cut) - ($41.1M) + Lower of Cleveland/Portland 1st round pick

Follow up trade so Cavs can get Frye back after buy-out:
NYK Out:
Frye ($7.4M)

NYK In:
Davis ($6.3M)

NYK go young.

New York Depth Chart
_TBD_, Frank N., Randle
Crabbe, Hardaway, Dotson
Harkless, Thomas, Kuzminskas
Porzingas, Davis, _TBD_
Hernangomez, Noah, _TBD_


Portland Out:
Harkless, Crabbe - ($29.5M) + '18 First round pick swap with Cleveland -> later of the two picks goes to Knicks.

Portland In:
Love, Lee - ($34.4M)

Follow up trade so Cavs can get Frye back after buy-out:
Portland Out:
Davis ($6.3M)

Portland In:
Frye ($7.4M) - Buy out after trade.

Portland cleans up some roster spots & gains talent.

Portland Depth Chart
Lillard, Napier, _TBD_
CJ, Lee, Pat
Aminu, Turner, Layman
Love, Vonleh, Swanigan
Nurk, Collins, Leonard

I like the bones of this trade and "love" the idea of bringing in Love to the Blazers, but why not just simplify it?

Portland: Harkless, Davis, Napier, 2018 1st (with protection)
for: Love

NY: Carmelo
for: Harkless, Davis

Cleveland: Love
for: Carmelo, Napier, Portland's 2018 first

[PDXKnight]

I really like the idea of Melo to Cleveland. The key is for Cleveland not to increase their payroll.

Here is my idea:

Cleveland Out:
Love, Frye, Felder - ($31.3M)

Cleveland In:
Melo (no trade kicker), O'Quinn - ($30.3M) + Rights to swap picks with Portland + Frye back on a Vet Min Contract after buy-out ($2M)

Melo & Lebron can play both forward positions and will be able to swap throughout the game - making both much more versatile. They get KOQ to help bang down low and provide some additional depth.

Cleveland Depth Chart
Irving, Rose?, Calderon
Smith, Korver, Shumpert
Lebron, Jefferson, Osman
Melo, Frye, Green
Thompson, KOQ, Tavers


NYK Out:
Melo, Lee, O'Quinn - ($42.0M)

NYK In:
Harkless, Crabbe (with kicker), Frye, Felder (cut) - ($41.1M) + Lower of Cleveland/Portland 1st round pick

Follow up trade so Cavs can get Frye back after buy-out:
NYK Out:
Frye ($7.4M)

NYK In:
Davis ($6.3M)

NYK go young.

New York Depth Chart
_TBD_, Frank N., Randle
Crabbe, Hardaway, Dotson
Harkless, Thomas, Kuzminskas
Porzingas, Davis, _TBD_
Hernangomez, Noah, _TBD_


Portland Out:
Harkless, Crabbe - ($29.5M) + '18 First round pick swap with Cleveland -> later of the two picks goes to Knicks.

Portland In:
Love, Lee - ($34.4M)

Follow up trade so Cavs can get Frye back after buy-out:
Portland Out:
Davis ($6.3M)

Portland In:
Frye ($7.4M) - Buy out after trade.

Portland cleans up some roster spots & gains talent.

Portland Depth Chart
Lillard, Napier, _TBD_
CJ, Lee, Pat
Aminu, Turner, Layman
Love, Vonleh, Swanigan
Nurk, Collins, Leonard

I like the bones of this trade and "love" the idea of bringing in Love to the Blazers, but why not just simplify it?

Portland: Harkless, Davis, Napier, 2018 1st (with protection)
for: Love

NY: Carmelo
for: Harkless, Davis

Cleveland: Love
for: Carmelo, Napier, Portland's 2018 first

It's interesting I'll give ya that. Its hard to think Cleveland doesn't try to keep love and use other players to make this work. An Irving-Lebron-melo-Love big 4 definitely puts them back into having a fighting chance with gs.

[DusterBuster]

It's interesting I'll give ya that. Its hard to think Cleveland doesn't try to keep love and use other players to make this work. An Irving-Lebron-melo-Love big 4 definitely puts them back into having a fighting chance with gs.

Yeah, I've never got the Love for Melo talk, it's been around for awhile now. But stranger things....

[Butter]

Did Melo and Nurk play together in Denver?