Lillard: I don't want to be a part of a rebuild.

Blazers98 · Post #361 » by **Blazers98** » Wed May 17, 2023 1:14 am

What would we think of this?
#3 and filler for Claxton and Bridges?
Dame
Sharpe
Bridges
Grant
Claxton

A much better defensive team with enough offense.
Also, Bridges and Claxton can be here for AD-after Dame.

Case2012 · Post #362 » by **Case2012** » Wed May 17, 2023 1:18 am

How can we get Brown AND Bridges for 3, Sharpe, Simons, future picks returned and salary?

Post #363 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Wed May 17, 2023 1:31 am

Case2012 wrote:How can we get Brown AND Bridges for 3, Sharpe, Simons, future picks returned and salary?

We can't.

DusterBuster · Post #364 » by **DusterBuster** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:46 am

I know people are down on KAT after having a bit of an injury filled year, but I do think he and Dame fit well together. #3, Simons and Nurk for KAT gets you a roster of...

Lillard
Sharpe
Thybulle
Grant
KAT

Can still use the #23 pick at that point. Would certainly be a much more well rounded team than the Blazers have had in ages. Defense still super sus, but a healthy KAT is a big upgrade over Nurk and the best player Dame will have ever played with... finally a TRUE All Star and the floor spacing would be amazing.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm kinda talking myself into this deal...

Case2012 · Post #365 » by **Case2012** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:47 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:
Case2012 wrote:How can we get Brown AND Bridges for 3, Sharpe, Simons, future picks returned and salary?

We can't.

Brown and OG?

Bridges and OG?

Telfaire · Post #366 » by **Telfaire** » Wed May 17, 2023 9:51 am

Blazers98 wrote:What would we think of this?
#3 and filler for Claxton and Bridges?
Dame
Sharpe
Bridges
Grant
Claxton

A much better defensive team with enough offense.
Also, Bridges and Claxton can be here for AD-after Dame.

How about adding Detroit to the deal - gets Joe Harris and the Knicks' pick for Bojan. Then we field a starting lineup of Dame-Bridges-Grant-Bojan-Claxton, and allow Sharpe to develop off the bench as our 6th man.

JKiddy · Post #367 » by **JKiddy** » Wed May 17, 2023 1:35 pm

Blazers98 wrote:What would we think of this?
#3 and filler for Claxton and Bridges?
Dame
Sharpe
Bridges
Grant
Claxton

A much better defensive team with enough offense.
Also, Bridges and Claxton can be here for AD-after Dame.

Please tell me you are not serious.

EricAnderson · Post #368 » by **EricAnderson** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:06 pm

I think rebuilding is the best option

Whoever you get for the third pick isn’t gonna be good enough to transform the Blazers into a contender

If you trade Dame for some young pieces and a bunch of future unprotected picks and pick swaps you can be set up nicely for a rebuild

Sinobas · Post #369 » by **Sinobas** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:18 pm

People will hate this idea, but let's say we go the route of trading Dame and rebuilding. We'd need to trade him to a contender else it would give the organization a bit black eye. You have to make salaries match, and do a deal that makes sense for the other team.

What if we trade Dame/Nurk to Phoenix for Ayton + Chris Paul. The key piece for us would be Ayton, who fits in age wise, and is an upgrade over Nurk. We'd need Paul salary wise. He might retire, or might stick around as a backup for a couple of years.

But it would give us a core of Scoot, Sharpe, Ayton. You can get a ton of picks for Dame but they may be low first round picks that never pan out. At least with Ayton we're getting a top 10 player at his position. Phoenix seems pissed at Ayton and needs to be in win now mode due to all they gave up for Durant.

Telfaire · Post #370 » by **Telfaire** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:28 pm

Sinobas wrote:People will hate this idea, but let's say we go the route of trading Dame and rebuilding. We'd need to trade him to a contender else it would give the organization a bit black eye. You have to make salaries match, and do a deal that makes sense for the other team.

What if we trade Dame/Nurk to Phoenix for Ayton + Chris Paul. The key piece for us would be Ayton, who fits in age wise, and is an upgrade over Nurk. We'd need Paul salary wise. He might retire, or might stick around as a backup for a couple of years.

But it would give us a core of Scoot, Sharpe, Ayton. You can get a ton of picks for Dame but they may be low first round picks that never pan out. At least with Ayton we're getting a top 10 player at his position. Phoenix seems pissed at Ayton and needs to be in win now mode due to all they gave up for Durant.

We can also trade Dame to Miami, and assuming we draft Scoot, get in return the 6th and 11th pick, two future unprotected 1st from Miami, Jovic, and Lowry's expiring. Magic get Herro to pair up with their playmaking forwards.

Telfaire · Post #371 » by **Telfaire** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:30 pm

Then hopefully Ausar Thompson is available to us at #6, and we gamble on some bigman with #11. Scoot-Sharpe-Ausar-Jovic-Rookie could be a nice start to our rebuild.

BlazersBroncos · Post #372 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:49 pm

I dont see ORL moving 6 and 11 to get Herro.

I do see the logic in a PDX/MIA/ORL trade though, just dont think Herro commands 2 lotto picks. Likely closer to 11 and the 25 DEN FRP + someone like Fultz.

DusterBuster · Post #373 » by **DusterBuster** » Wed May 17, 2023 3:09 pm

FWIW, the morning show on 1080, one of the hosts has a plug within the league "SOURCES!!!", the early word is Ant and the #3 should pull some real value around the league. The source also said that its pretty certain that Charlotte doesn't want to pair Scoot and Melo, so it's very likely (but not 100%) that they take Miller... which leaves Portland with Scoot. The other tidbit is that Orlando is very very very high on Scoot and really wants him.

JRoy · Post #374 » by **JRoy** » Wed May 17, 2023 3:14 pm

DusterBuster wrote:FWIW, the morning show on 1080, one of the hosts has a plug within the league "SOURCES!!!", the early word is Ant and the #3 should pull some real value around the league. The source also said that its pretty certain that Charlotte doesn't want to pair Scoot and Melo, so it's very likely (but not 100%) that they take Miller... which leaves Portland with Scoot. The other tidbit is that Orlando is very very very high on Scoot and really wants him.

Scoot would seem to be a replacement for Suggs rather than a backcourt mate.

DusterBuster · Post #375 » by **DusterBuster** » Wed May 17, 2023 3:17 pm

JRoy wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:FWIW, the morning show on 1080, one of the hosts has a plug within the league "SOURCES!!!", the early word is Ant and the #3 should pull some real value around the league. The source also said that its pretty certain that Charlotte doesn't want to pair Scoot and Melo, so it's very likely (but not 100%) that they take Miller... which leaves Portland with Scoot. The other tidbit is that Orlando is very very very high on Scoot and really wants him.

Scoot would seem to be a replacement for Suggs rather than a backcourt mate.

Problem with Orlando is that I just don't see many win-now players there.

Post #376 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Wed May 17, 2023 3:18 pm

I would not trade 3 for 6 and 11. I think trading back is a horrific idea. And Orlando imo has nothing they can offer that will do the goal of helping create a contender around Dame.

If we're trading three I don't think we can trade for near all-stars. We need to trade for an actual all-star who has all NBA talent.

This is not the time, not in this position, to dilute talent. Scoot would go number one in several drafts.

JRoy · Post #377 » by **JRoy** » Wed May 17, 2023 3:21 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
JRoy wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:FWIW, the morning show on 1080, one of the hosts has a plug within the league "SOURCES!!!", the early word is Ant and the #3 should pull some real value around the league. The source also said that its pretty certain that Charlotte doesn't want to pair Scoot and Melo, so it's very likely (but not 100%) that they take Miller... which leaves Portland with Scoot. The other tidbit is that Orlando is very very very high on Scoot and really wants him.

Scoot would seem to be a replacement for Suggs rather than a backcourt mate.

Problem with Orlando is that I just don't see many win-now players there.

I see a lot of solid players but no stars. I don’t buy Banchero, reminds me of Billy Owens.

Norm2953 · Post #378 » by **Norm2953** » Wed May 17, 2023 4:42 pm

The player Portland would want from Orlando is Wagner, who is a smooth 6-10 player that would
fill the Batum role in Portland.

Let's say they offered up Wagner, 6,11 for Simons, 3. Wagner would still have 3 years under his
rookie deal and with 6,11 could fill up most of the holes on the team. Portland would still have
23 to invest in a Euro to stash overseas.

Rather than get so fixated on these win now trades that only blow up the Blazers cap for years to
come, adding all these young players on their rookie deals to balance the Dame and Grant's contracts,
Portland would have a solid core group of players that could win 50 games next season

Jsun947 · Post #379 » by **Jsun947** » Wed May 17, 2023 4:56 pm

I’ll give you two options where we assume the following starting line-ups. You fill in the blank with the worst player that would obviously make us at minimum a conference finals contender.

Dame, Bridges, OG, Grant and ?

&

Dame, Bridges, Grant, Siakam and ?

Once you do this thought exercise I think it becomes pretty clear we should be blowing it up.

Norm2953 · Post #380 » by **Norm2953** » Wed May 17, 2023 5:07 pm

It will be interesting how teams operate this off season for there are team that will have to
deal with the second tax apron that is coming in the new CBA.

How much salary will Jody Allen approve for the 2023-24 season for with Dame and likely
Grant around, how much salary will ownership agree to in these win now trade proposals,
knowing they also have to deal with the second tax apron