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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#381 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:18 pm

Walton1one wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:I have been wrong so many times but the Murray-Boyles hype is baffling to me.

Everyone wants to see Draymond but Green was just such a better passer, even at the same age, and had defensive instincts that were off the charts. But more than anything each year Green showed drastic improvement from 3. CMB had a chance to alleviate some 3pt worries this season but did nothing.

Shows me a shot I can’t trust at all to develop. RHJ and MKG level bad IMO.


Yeah, my fear is that he fits the defensive archetype that POR seems to like, and they don’t seem to really care about shooting, which is his major flaw. Curious what his measurements will be because some are saying he could be closer to 6’5?


I cant find a shot chart for 24/25 for CMB but did find one for 23/24 -

Corner 3 Left - 0 attempts
Corner 3 Right - 0 attempts
Left 3 - 0/1
Center 3 - 0/2
Right 3 - 0/2
Left Baseline - 0 attempts
Right Baseline - 1/1
Left Key - 3/3
Center Key - 0/2
Right Key - 0/2
Paint - 113 / 182

That is WILD for a guy that is 6'5-6'7 and projected as a lotto pick. I just dont see how you can take a complete and utter non-shooter with a profile like this in the lotto. I know people can grow their shooting but there needs to be a foundation to build on. CMB has no foundation.

Guy he really reminds me of as a prospect is Precious Achiuwa w/ better passing.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#382 » by Butter » Sun Apr 20, 2025 4:05 pm

What would it take for the Blazers to trade up to get the 5th player?

Assuming that the first four likely goes Cooper Flagg, Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey, VJ Edgecombe, I really want Trey Johnson.

Shaedon Sharps value has never been higher, and if they hold onto him, he'll be a valued member of this team. But, if they are going to stick with this core, Scoot, Tou, Deni, it almost forces the to resign Sharp AND Ant.

Move Ant (prior to an extension) and Sharp (while he's still on his rookie deal), bring in Trey to improve perimeter shooting, and buy some additional time with team friendly deals.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#383 » by Walton1one » Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:41 pm

No Ceilings PIT Recap

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/the-2025-portsmouth-invitational-2a6?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=536361&post_id=161619702&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1f5gb9&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

LY 14 players that players in the PIT earned an NBA contracts

Draftable Consideration:
- Viktor Lakhin 6'11 F
...looked a cut above in Portsmouth...His defensive disruption this week goes hand-in-hand with his 2.7 STL% and 7.3 BLK% this past year. The jumper wasn’t a fluke, either—he hit 37.5% of his threes on good volume for a big last season...He gave evaluators everything they could have asked for on defense...was great offensively, too. Lakhin was ready to let the three-ball fly off the catch when he got an open look. He also starred as an offensive up at the top of the key, slinging impressive passes through tight windows. Lakhin scores on the interior, too, with both hook shots and dunks. Best of all, though, was how Lakhin married all of these skills together. He took opposing bigs off the bounce and made solid passing reads on the go. It’s not just that he’s an inside-out threat—it’s that he’s an in-between threat, too...His defensive disruption this week goes hand-in-hand with his 2.7 STL% and 7.3 BLK% this past year...n summary, we’ve got a guy who is comfortable going five-out on both ends of the floor.


- Jonathan Pierre 6'9 G\F
Pierre is a tremendous shooter...has deep range and a pretty shot that he can drill off the dribble or off the catch. He’s also a great playmaker for a dude his size. He had a 23.1 AST% last season...His ability to scale both up and down in terms of how he weaponizes his passing is intriguing. He looked good defensively, too. Pierre got into passing lanes and had an excellent hard closeout...has NBA length. He can drill tough threes in a variety of ways. His feel for the game enables him to thrive as a decision maker, both in “.5” situations and when he has to take on more. He can make an impact on defense when he keys in. In total, this is the modern three-and-D archetype that front offices crave. If you want to get hung up on his rim finishing and defensive rate stats, I get it. But I also just saw Jaylen Wells struggle in those respects prior to succeeding in the NBA. There are certainly little things to quibble with here, but Jonathan Pierre is great at the big picture things that lead to long NBA careers.


- Igor Milicic Jr 6'10, G\F
The idea here is awesome—he’s 6’10”, he’s a willing shooter who can hit threes off movement (career 34.5% from three on 9.4 attempts per 100 possessions), move the ball, guard a few positions, and rebound...can be maddeningly inconsistent. Portsmouth was no exception...at times, it feels like he shrinks. He settles for touch finishes inside instead of ramming it home, gets too passive, and hit a cold stretch from distance...trying to weigh the output we’ve seen from Milicic against the idea of what he could be. At times, it feels like he fades into the background more than he should. Still, he has so many traits that I value—touch, toughness, length, shooting, and selflessness...Long dudes with requisite feel who stuff the stat sheet and get up threes are a good value proposition. I’d rather swing and miss on Milicic than take a guy who will likely never achieve more than “league minimum contract status” even if it all comes together. Those guys are easy to acquire.


- Kobe Sanders 6'6 G
He’s a tremendous playmaker for a guy who is 6’8”. A lot of tall guys like to say they are guards, but Kobe Sanders is a tall guy who you can actually play at a guard position. He’s super fluid and composed with the ball, changing speeds well and mixing in counter moves to put defenders on skates. He made some great passes on the go and hit some pull-up jumpers (including a step-back three), demonstrating his vision and ability to keep defenses honest if they give him space. His three off the catch looked good, too, as he gets the ball out of his hands quickly...His body looked leaner, and his defensive footwork was much better. He was moving with fluidity, reacted quickly, and displayed much better balance than we saw from him during the college season. He appears to have put in the work where he needed to...tends to be a little too in love with pull-up jumpers in the mid-range. He’s good at them, as he made 46.3% of them last season per Synergy. But he’s way too content to settle for tough shots. When he gets to the NBA and he has to scale down in role, he’ll have to part ways with that tendency. Additionally, his 6’8.5” wingspan was a bit of a letdown. Still, the framework is there. He has NBA size, he can shoot, he’s a great decision maker, and now, I think he’s got a real chance to hang on the defensive end.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#384 » by Walton1one » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:05 pm

No Ceilings - Draft Notes

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2025-nba-draft-editors-notes-volume-ed3?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=536361&post_id=161330707&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1f5gb9&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Liam McNeeley
...did not look like the same player once he returned in February...His sample size of three-point shooting over the course of a full college season is limited enough that it’s difficult to draw firm conclusions; even the best shooters at the NBA level will have months-long (or even seasons-long) shooting slumps. Combine that with his injury, and I’m more willing to trust the sample size of the first half of McNeeley’s bifurcated season than the second half...McNeeley has parking lot range on his triples. Also, he’s far more than just a standstill threat. McNeeley is frequently in motion trying to get himself open off screens, and he’s a great trail shooter in transition. Add in his connective passing, and there’s a lot to like offensively, even if the overall shooting splits are disappointing...adept at operating as a part of a defensive scheme...I would be surprised if he’s not at least decent on that end of the floor at the NBA level. His lack of defensive playmaking is concerning to me, though; McNeeley averaged just 0.6 steals and 0.2 blocks per game this season, and those numbers tend to translate more directly to the NBA level than any of the other main box score stats.


The most troubling part of his profile for me is his finishing at the rim. McNeeley shot just 45.6% at the rim this season, per Synergy, which puts him in just the 12th percentile. If he were an undersized shooting guard, I might be more willing to excuse that poor mark, but it’s hard for me to wrap my mind around a 6’7” forward with an NBA-ready frame being that bad around the basket...somehow worse at shooting jumpers off the dribble...His complementary shooting, pick-and-roll prowess, and general connective passing are certainly helpful, but it’s hard for me to imagine him having much on-ball juice to tap into when factoring in his terrible finishing numbers and hideous off-the-dribble shooting. McNeeley can make the right pass if he’s forced off the three-point line, and that shouldn’t go underrated. I’m just struggling to figure out what else he’ll be able to do when teams take away the shot.


He’s a good catch-and-shoot threat with a great-looking shot who got cold at the wrong time in the wake of an injury—he’s also a terrible at-rim finisher and an even worse shooter off the dribble. He’s a solid defensive piece with size on the wing, but he’s not a defensive playmaker at all. He’s a good connective passer who makes the right reads most of the time, but he doesn’t have any of the ancillary skills that would lead me to believe he has more on-ball juice in him...I have McNeeley at the tail end of my lottery...I believe in his shot both as a catch-and-shoot threat and as a shooter running off screens and movement. I believe in his ability to be a secondary or tertiary creator, and I believe he can be an above-average defender in most schemes.

Pretty much everything else about his game concerns me, though. If his greatest strengths weren’t in areas that are being valued more and more in the modern NBA, I would be very willing to sell off my stock in Liam McNeeley. As it is, I’m holding firm on his stock, but doing so makes me more uncomfortable than I would like.


Hugo Gonzalez
Despite Gonzalez’s talents, he has played limited minutes for Real Madrid this season. That isn’t exactly atypical for a teenager playing in one of the best professional leagues in the world. The real difference is that Gonzalez is not losing out on minutes due to poor defense or feel, like many young players—he’s only seeing the court in limited minutes because Real Madrid is ridiculously stacked this year, even by their own exceptionally high standards.


...the place to start with Gonzalez is his defense. He has a sturdy 6’6”, 207-pound frame that has held up in one of the best professional leagues in the world, and his screen navigation defensively is up there with the best players in the class. He’s not a superlative defensive playmaker, but he does make plays in the passing lanes and can rise up for the occasional highlight-reel block. On the offensive end, he is a sensational cutter; Gonzalez averages an absurd 1.65 points per possession on cuts, which ranks in the 97th percentile per Synergy...I would be more willing to be all-in on Gonzalez if he were as ready on the “3” portion of 3-and-D as he was on the “D” part. Gonzalez is shooting just 28.1% from three-point range, which is actually an improvement from his 24.1% mark last season. The shot itself looks good, and his free-throw numbers (73.9% from the line this year and 82.0% last season) indicate that his touch is probably better than his three-point percentage implies.


I’m impressed enough by his defensive acumen that I would be willing to take the bet on Gonzalez figuring out his shot. He’ll make defenses pay with his cutting if they abandon him completely beyond the arc, and he’s clearly already comfortable with playing a smaller role around elite talent on both ends of the floor. If he ends up going to a good team with a good shot doctor, he could be a key NBA rotation cog for many years to come.


Will Riley
...some very high highs and very low lows...one of the best shot creators in the draft, with the ability at 6’8” to shoot over most people. He has an excellent handle to help him get to his spots, and he’s a scoring threat at all three levels when he gets to those spots. Riley ranks in the 90th percentile as an isolation scorer per Synergy, and it’s not hard to see why when breaking down the film...is a solid and willing passer. His assist-to-turnover ratio of 1.86 is a nice high-level indicator of that, but the film is even more impressive. Riley doesn’t just make the easy passes—he frequently makes difficult cross-court reads and has an excellent grasp of when to continue to hunt his matchups versus when to give his teammates a window to attack


...elephant in the room with Riley is his frame, which impacts him far more defensively than offensively. I was worried about Riley when he decided to reclassify before the start of the season because he was (and still is) incredibly skinny. Furthermore, he doesn’t have a wide enough frame for me to believe that he’ll be able to pull off a Giannis-esque (or even a Keegan Murray-esque) bulk-up. He’ll certainly add some degree of additional muscle in his future team’s weight and conditioning program, but I’m still concerned about him being pushed around defensively at the NBA level.


I’m still buying all the Riley stock that anyone is willing to sell...I think that Riley’s season overall was more indicative of his talent than his ice-cold stretch, which happened in December for Riley (28.2% from the floor, 13.0% from three-point range) and tanked his season-long shooting splits. Riley shot 61.3% at the rim in spite of his frame concerns. Quite frankly, in terms of the defense, it’s also a lot easier to hide a poor 6’8” defender like Riley than it is to hide a shorter player who struggles defensively.



Otega Oweh, 6'5 G
Oweh quietly made some serious improvements in key areas and showed much more consistency in really encouraging ways...actually improved his efficiency on two-pointers slightly year-over-year, from 52.0% to 52.2%, which are both solid marks for a guard...encouraging leap in terms of getting to the line and converting his free throws...three-point percentage regressed slightly...still shot a respectable 35.5% from deep this year on more attempts than last year...Oweh’s shooting this year feels a lot more sustainable. All of that resulted in Oweh ranking in the 85th percentile overall offensively, per Synergy...NBA case will still be carried by his defense. He’s an elite defensive playmaker, and he’s built like a fire hydrant at 6’5” and 210 pounds. The real question for Oweh was whether or not he would find enough ways to consistently contribute on the other end of the floor. In my mind, he’s checked that box pretty emphatically. He’ll probably end up being a second round flyer, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up making teams regret allowing him to fall off their radars after he went cold from distance last season.


Bogoljub Markovic 6'11
...worried that he would be too much of a big man tweener defensively to make much of an NBA impact...watching Markovic show out at Nike Hoop Summit, though, I’ve changed my tune. It’s not that he looks small on film at all, but he looks MASSIVE in person. More importantly, he consistently made the right reads on both ends of the floor throughout Hoop Summit, and he was clearly one of Team World’s leaders when it came to defensive assignments and communicating overall...hard to overlook how much more impressive Markovic was in person than I’d expected. I’ve slotted him in to the end of the first round on my board for now, which feels about right. Even beyond my biases, it’s hard to deny any near-7-footer who can shoot like Markovic can...Despite how tall he is, he’s still rail-thin. If he ends up playing any minutes at center in the NBA, it will require either a massive weight gain or a REALLY tiny small-ball lineup for his opponent. That being said, his feel impressed me almost as much as anyone’s at Hoop Summit. With his size, feel, and shooting touch, I’m willing to bet on him figuring out a way to be productive enough offensively to earn playing time as he grows into his body and figures things out on the other end of the floor. It will probably take time for him to figure out the tweener 4/5 dynamic at the NBA level, but I’ve gone from a skeptic to a believer when it comes to Bogoljub Markovic.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#385 » by dckingsfan » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:09 pm

Butter wrote:What would it take for the Blazers to trade up to get the 5th player?

Assuming that the first four likely goes Cooper Flagg, Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey, VJ Edgecombe, I really want Trey Johnson.

Shaedon Sharps value has never been higher, and if they hold onto him, he'll be a valued member of this team. But, if they are going to stick with this core, Scoot, Tou, Deni, it almost forces the to resign Sharp AND Ant.

Move Ant (prior to an extension) and Sharp (while he's still on his rookie deal), bring in Trey to improve perimeter shooting, and buy some additional time with team friendly deals.

I like your idea of moving Simons and Sharpe. I think that a Thybulle/Avdija/Camara/Grant/Walker three forward rotation would do it. Clingan & Ayton (who you keep for the season works well. Scoot gets the PG duties.

Because of that, I would rather see us trade down rather than up in this draft. I think that 9-20 have about the same value (IMO). Take a guard and C and call it a day.

All that goes out the window if we get a top 4 pick. Even then I would trade down if I got 4 for say San Antonio's 8 &14 for example (assuming Edgecombe goes 3).
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#386 » by Walton1one » Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:53 pm

Cronin did a radio interview with Chad Doing on 620, some interesting information

https://ripcityradio.iheart.com/featured/rip-city-drive/content/2025-04-16-523-rip-city-drive-blazer-gm-joe-cronin-with-chad-doing/

DRAFT
- Thinks this is a good draft
- Likes the depth
- Whether they trade up in lottery, into the top 4 or stay at 9/10 they are going to be happy

DATA ON YOUNG PLAYERS
- All of core players got over 1,000 min of data or more
- Understand what current group is capable of
- Can be a lot more intentional about the type of player they add, skillset or personality wise
- Shaping roster that fits this current group of core players
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#387 » by Walton1one » Mon Apr 21, 2025 9:12 pm

and POR lost the coin flip, which means they will be picking 10th and PHX (HOUSTON) will be picking 9th...

Hope those meaningless wins were worth it. Both SA & HOU are picking before POR (8/9) and possibly even OKC if PHILLY falls 2 spots to #7. That would be 3 big rivals picking right before POR selection (and DAL right after @ #11)
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#388 » by Walton1one » Mon Apr 21, 2025 9:19 pm

ESPN+ Off Season review for the Blazers:

Draft picks in June: No. 9/10 (own) Note: Draft order ties will be broken after the regular season.

Odds at the No.1 pick: 4.5%

Free agents: Dalano Banton, Rayan Rupert (T), Matisse Thybulle (P), Jabari Walker (R), Justin Minaya (R) and Bryce McGowens (R)

State of the roster:

There are two words that determine a successful season when you are rebuilding: progress and hope. The progress comes with the tale of two seasons. The first half prior to Jan. 18 resembled more of the 21-61 team from a year ago, as the Blazers posted a 13-28 record with the development of the younger players stalled. But since the end of January, there were signs of progress in Portland.

"I love what we have," Trail Blazers GM Joe Cronin said in February. "I love what we've been working on. I love how we're developing. Right now, we're learning a lot about each other. It's been a lot of fun."

Portland won 10 out of 11 games from Jan. 19 to Feb. 6. In that three-week stretch, a defensive identity was molded and the Trail Blazers ranked first in efficiency, after being ranked 28th over the first 41 games. With the second half progress, hope has grown for the future. The Trail Blazers will add a lottery pick to a roster that returns 13 players, including Scoot Henderson, Shaedon Sharpe, Deni Avdija, Toumani Camara and Donovan Clingan.

The Blazers also recently signed head coach Chauncey Billups to a multiyear contract extension. With the progress this season also comes big questions over the summer. The Trail Blazers have four veterans -- Anfernee Simons, Matisse Thybulle, Robert Williams III and Deandre Ayton -- entering the last year of their contracts.


Offseason finances:

With 13 players under contract for next offseason, Portland is over the salary cap but well below the luxury tax to add during free agency or in a trade. With their upcoming lottery pick, the Blazers are $11 million below the tax and $17 million below the first apron. Thybulle, who dealt with various injuries while playing the fewest games of his career, has until June 24 to opt in to his $11.5 million salary for next season, while the Trail Blazers could gain roster relief with the non-guaranteed contracts of Rayan Rupert and Duop Reath.

The $2.2 million Rupert contract is guaranteed on July 1, and Duop's $2.2 million contract will be guaranteed on Aug. 1. Portland has the four exceptions -- non-tax mid-level, biannual, second round and veteran minimum -- available.


Top front-office priority:

Besides the draft, there were two sets of priorities in Portland this offseason.

The first was accomplished when Portland extended Billups. Billups, who was hired in 2021, had been tasked with transforming a team that was once led by Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum into a team that now has 11 of 15 players under the age of 25. "A thousand percent, I definitely want to see it through," Billups told the Oregonian during the season. "It's taken a whole lot to get to this point and I would hate to not be able to continue to lead this thing. But it's not my decision." Portland increased its win total by 14 games from last season without signing a free agent.

The second is to find clarity with their veterans. Ayton, Simons, Williams and Thybulle are not only in the last year of their contract but are also extension eligible. Simons has led the team in scoring two straight seasons. Portland could have a projected $70 million in cap space next offseason if the four players are not extended.


Extension candidate to watch:

Toumani Camara and Shaedon Sharpe are two of the eight players on the roster who are extension eligible. Camara had 11 games with three steals or more this season. He also ranked in the 80th percentile in steals and blocks among all wings, per Cleaning the Glass, and the Trail Blazers were plus-36.1 points per possession when he shared the floor with Simons, Avdija and Clingan. He has two years left on his contract ($2.2 million and $2.4 million) and is eligible to sign a four-year, $89.2 million extension starting on July 20.

To maximize their finances, Portland is better off waiting until next offseason to offer Camara a new contract. Sharpe is one of the more intriguing rookie extension candidates because of his upside. After missing most of last season because of an abductor injury, Sharpe averaged a career-high 18.5 points. He came off the bench in all but four games since the All-Star break.

Other extension candidates: Jabari Walker (through June 30), Robert Williams, Anfernee Simons, Deandre Ayton, Matisse Thybulle (as of July 10) and Rayan Rupert


Team needs:

Internal development of its young players. A reserve veteran lead guard who can mentor Henderson. Perimeter shooting (the Trail Blazers ranked 25th in 3-point percentage this season, and last in 2023-24).


Draft assets:

The Blazers owe Chicago a top-14-protected first-round pick with the pick's protection extending to 2028. They have the 2029 most- and least-favorable first of their own between Boston and Milwaukee, and have the right to swap first-rounders with Milwaukee in 2028 and 2030. The swap rights in 2028 are extinguished if the Trail Blazers send Chicago their first that year. With their first this season (they can trade it the night of the draft), Portland has four firsts available to trade. They also have five seconds.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#389 » by Case2012 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 9:57 pm

If losing the coin toss seemed like murphys law, wait until SA or Houston get Cooper Flagg. They're so effin proud of themselves with their 14 wins that came off beating teams that were tanking as hard as possible.

And ownership is so absent and clueless they actually think they did a good job beating teams that were ACTIVETLY TRYING TO LOSE.

How with a straight face can anyone brag about the win total, let alone use it as a reason to legitimize their new contracts, when in fact they actaully made the team worse by not getting a better player, potentially an all star in this draft? They beat CHA, WAS, Utah, SA, TOR, and Memphis without JA, LA resting, ATL with a bunch of injuries. It's a joke. That's like 8 wins against teams that didnt even care about winning, and Joe is throwing a parade for 36 wins when we would have had a top 6 pick.

I don't get why the league hasn't forced a sale, these people need to go.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#390 » by Walton1one » Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:37 pm

No Ceilings with a detailed Barttovik analysis of this years' eligible players. Some interesting anlaytics\conclusions brought up

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/dont-have-a-cow-man-its-just-a-bart?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=536361&post_id=152569003&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1f5gb9&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

For the uninitiated, the answer is Barttorvik.com—a digital wonderland for basketball sickos, draft nerds, and anyone who gets legitimately turned on by terms like "variance." It’s this utopian kingdom of advanced metrics, team stats, and player profiles that lets you go deeper into the numbers than a Reddit user spiraling into conspiracy theories about the moon landing.


For example, if I’m looking for the next great 3-and-D wing, I may focus on stats like steal rate, block rate, three-point percentage, 3PT/100, etc. Then, to dig a bit deeper, I calculated the standard deviation for each category to measure how much variability exists within the dataset.


The beauty of Barttorvik is that it lets you ask questions like, “Which prospects have a steal rate above 2.5%, a block rate above 3%, and shot over 38% from three since 2008?” And when you find those players, you may start to see patterns emerge. Maybe they’re not the flashiest names on draft boards, but their numbers might suggest that they could be hidden gems. Or maybe you turn on the tape and realize they’re probably just statistical anomalies who peaked in college. Either way, it’s a fascinating exercise that blends art and science—or, as I like to call it, basketball alchemy.


The modern NBA wing is a shapeshifter—a blend of efficiency, physicality, feel, and enough statistical juice to matter without needing the ball every possession. It’s a delicate balance. Thanks to Barttorvik, the official church of the Data Draft Sickos, we’ve got the tools to start narrowing the search.

Here’s the statistical DNA we were looking for:

Height ≥ 78"
BPM ≥ 7.3
TS% ≥ 56
Def Reb % ≥ 12.8
Assist % ≥ 12
Ast/TO Ratio ≥ 1
Block % ≥ 1.8, Steal % ≥ 1.9
3PA/100 Poss ≥ 5.8
FG% at Rim ≥ 58.75
Dunks ≥ 20



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And here's why that's spicy: every single player who’s hit this query has become at least a rosterable multi-year NBA dude. Not All-Stars, necessarily—but real-deal NBA guys. No flukes. No filler.


Nique Clifford, Colorado State, 6’6” Wing
Nique has been a hot name this cycle, steadily climbing and cementing himself as a Top 20 prospect in the class, but I’ve been beating the draft Nique Clifford drum since early last cycle (sorry for being obnoxious about it).

The reason for his ascension this cycle? He became the human embodiment of "winning basketball." His statistical profile glows like a neon sign, and the film shines just as bright.

There were few players more important to their team than Nique, as Clifford finished second in Evan Miya’s Most Indispensable Players metric this year (sandwiched between Braden Smith and—you guessed it—Cooper Flagg), and it checks out as he did a bit of everything for Colorado State: initiator reps, shot making, versatile defense, off-ball activity, and lots of winning. In an era where wings need to toggle between positions like a Swiss Army knife, Clifford fits the mold.

No, he doesn’t have Jalen Williams’s wingspan or jaw-dropping combine measurements, but what he does have is a blend of strength, touch, and feel that shows up in every box score—and every advanced stat sheet. He measured 6’5” barefoot with a 6’8” wingspan at last year’s combine and promptly returned to college to get even better. Smart move. He took another leap and somehow popped on this query again, which speaks volumes to his consistency and growth curve.

Could he be this draft’s Jalen Williams? Not impossible. Could he be this class’s Christian Braun? More likely. Either way, he’s got “NBA player” written all over him, and in today’s league, that’s not a consolation prize—it’s job security.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#391 » by Walton1one » Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:51 pm

Alright, let’s go hunting for guards, shall we? Not just high-usage chuckers who get away with it because nobody else on the roster can dribble, but dudes who can actually play. The guys who can orchestrate, pressure the rim, shoot it enough to keep the defense honest, and hold up (at least somewhat) on the other end.

Here’s the statistical wishlist I used to try and sniff them out:

BPM ≥ 6.8
OBPM ≥ 4.2
TS% ≥ 57.3
3PA/100 Poss ≥ 7.8
FTr ≥ 28.7
DReb% ≥ 10.4
AST% ≥ 17.7
Ast/TO Ratio ≥ 1.6
STL% ≥ 1.7
BLK% ≥ 0.9
FG% at rim ≥ 58.4
Dunks ≥ 1.9
Far 2s attempted ≥ 61.5
Far 2 FG% ≥ 37
USG ≥ 22.2


The modern guard has to do stuff at an extremely high level, and if you’re under 6’3” and not named Fred VanVleet or Payton Pritchard, good luck finding a home if you can’t.

The problem? In college, smaller guards run the show because most wings just aren’t polished enough to handle the load. So you get these guys with bloated usage and inflated stats that don’t always scale. Size matters more in the league, which means that this query, while statistically sound, came with some contextual landmines.

Still, it spat out some solid names: guys with real production, real feel, and at least a fighting chance of scaling their game up. And just when I thought we were done with Nique Clifford…guess who popped up again?


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Okay, now let’s crank the difficulty setting to expert and try something a little different—what if we built a query based on All-NBA guards?

What kind of statistical profile do those guys have in college?

To find out, I cooked up this recipe using the average numbers from All-NBA guards over the last 15-ish years and adjusted the thresholds to be one standard deviation below those marks. The idea: could we find guys who maybe aren’t supernova prospects yet, but share the statistical blueprint of someone who might become one?

Here’s what I rolled with:

BPM ≥ 8.2
OBPM ≥ 5.4
TS% ≥ 55.4
3PA/100 Poss ≥ 5.2
FTr ≥ 29.4
OReb% ≥ 2.46
DReb% ≥ 9.4
AST% ≥ 17.5
Ast/TO Ratio ≥ 1.2
STL% ≥ 1.7
BLK% ≥ 0.9
FG% at rim ≥ 58.8
Dunks ≥ 2.4
Far 2s attempted ≥ 57.9
Far 2 FG% ≥ 33.9
USG ≥ 22.6
Conf = High Major


Now, let’s be honest—nobody from the actual All-NBA sample hit every one of these marks pre-draft either. Even stars have weak spots. So I wasn’t expecting a list of future Hall-of-Famers to pop out.

What I did get, though, were two current 2025 prospects who might offer the highest ceilings in the class: VJ Edgecombe and Cooper Flagg.


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VJ Edgecombe, Baylor, 6’5” Guard
VJ’s presence here shouldn’t surprise anyone. He came into the season projected as a Top 5 pick and may have played his way into the Top 3. On paper, he looks like a modern NBA guard born in a lab: electric burst, elite vertical pop, livewire motor, and a legit physical presence on both ends. He’s chaos in motion. In a good way.

He’s listed at 6’5” but probably measures closer to 6’3”, which would usually be a red flag. Then you watch him detonate at the rim or swallow a passing lane whole, though, and the measurements stop mattering.

Where VJ has an Edge (hehe) on both of those dudes is that as a freshman, he is already a capable outside shooter. No, the off-the-dribble jumper isn’t there yet. But the spot-up mechanics are clean up top (let’s widen that base, though), the numbers are sturdy (45.7% on unguarded catch-and-shoots), and his pre-college track record suggests it’s real. The combination of rim pressure and budding shooting gravity? That’s a scary mix, and a pretty good indicator of NBA success.

As you can see from the Bart Chart above, Edgecombe was one of just two players in the 2025 class to achieve 30 dunks and 50 threes during his freshman season. The other prospect? You guessed it, Cooper Flagg. A query within a query. Y'all just got inceptioned.

On the defensive end, Edgecombe is a real-deal event creator. He posted an enticing 3.8 STL% and 2.3 BLK%—numbers you’d expect from a hyperactive wing, not a freshman guard. He gets into people’s shirts, rotates with force, and has the kind of instincts that let you live with a few gambles because he’s going to swing momentum with his activity.

He’s not a finished product. The handle still needs refinement. The in-between game is a work in progress. But the bones of a high-end two-way guard are already in place.

If you want a comparison path? Think Victor Oladipo’s developmental arc—someone who entered the league a little raw offensively, was given the keys in Orlando to experiment (and struggle), but grew into an All-Star once the pieces fell into place. That should be the blueprint here. Give VJ reps. Give him patience. Give him a runway. And in a few years, he might give you back a star.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#392 » by Walton1one » Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:58 pm

If you can't space the floor, knock down open shots, and occasionally make the defense question their life choices, you're probably not long for the NBA. With that in mind, there are shooters, and then there are SHOOTERS. So, let’s take a stab at identifying 2025’s most promising shooting wings.

The statistical inputs for this query are as follows:

Height ≥ 76”
OBPM ≥ 4.5
TS% ≥ 57
3P FG% ≥ 38.5
3PA/100 Poss ≥ 10.5
Free Throw % ≥ 84
FG% at rim ≥ 0.55
Far 2s attempted ≥ 43
Far 2 FG% ≥ 36
Ast/TO Ratio ≥ 1.5


Past hits include names like Sam Merrill, Sam Hauser (twice!), Denzel Valentine, and R.J. Hunter—all of whom have logged real NBA minutes. The lone outlier? Kris Jenkins, who had his post-Villanova trajectory cut short by a hip injury before he could get his shot.

In other words: if you show up on this list, odds are you’re at least getting a cup of coffee in the league.

Now, onto the 2025 class. Four names made the cut: Kon Knueppel, John Poulakidas, Koby Brea, and Jacksen Moni.


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Kon Knueppel, Duke, 6’7” Shooting Guard
Kon Knueppel is the only freshman to make our list, and while his numbers scream “specialist,” watching him play quickly reveals that pigeonholing him as just a shooter doesn’t do the kid justice. Yes, he checks every statistical box on this shooting-wing query—40.6% from deep on high volume, 91.4% from the line, and a buttery 64.2 TS%—but Kon’s offensive game is far more layered than the query lets on.

Despite being the youngest name on this list, Knueppel was a certified bucket in the ACC. His shot mechanics are pristine and repeatable, and he shows the kind of versatility you want from a modern NBA shooting guard: catch-and-shoot? Easy. Relocation threes? Routine. Off-the-dribble midrange pull-ups against drop coverage? Money. That last bit was particularly lethal when paired with Duke’s lob threat Khaman Maluach, as Kon’s pull-up gravity in the in-between routinely pulled the big up, creating easy alley-oops which Kon dropped in with feathery touch.

Kon also flashed the ability to read closeouts and attack them decisively, finishing well at the rim thanks to strong footwork, timing, and touch—even if he’s not exactly punching on dudes. He’s not a high-flyer, and the burst isn’t elite, but he knows who he is, and more importantly, who he isn’t.

Defensively, the athletic limitations could show up more starkly at the next level. He’s smart and competitive on that end, but quicker NBA wings will test his foot speed. That said, the same things were said about Desmond Bane coming out, and while Bane had more bulk, Kon’s younger and just as skilled.

In a class that lacks surefire stars, Knueppel stands out as one of the most complete offensive guards. The fact that he also grades out as one of the best shooters in the country is just icing. The real question isn’t whether he can stick in the NBA—it’s how high he goes in June.


Koby Brea, Kentucky, 6’7” Wing
Koby Brea is a walking "stay attached" scouting report note. After four years lighting it up at Dayton, he took his talents to Lexington for one more go-round—and, surprise! He kept hitting everything. Brea has hit 43% of nearly 700 career threes, a ridiculous number that somehow undersells just how automatic he looks when he gets his feet set.

At 6’7” with a high, picturesque release, Brea is a problem. He can shoot off movement, knock down one or two-dribble pull-ups, and relocate like a seasoned vet. Offense slows down when he’s on the court—in a good way—and his 3:1 AST/TO ratio suggests he’s not just a finisher, but a connective piece who keeps things humming. He’s not threading skip passes like he’s Luka, but he sees the floor and keeps it simple.

Where Brea struggles is where a lot of elite shooters do: rim pressure and defense. He’s not blowing past defenders or creating defensive events on the other end. The tools just aren’t quite there in terms of twitch and pop (though he’s been recovering from an injury). But given his size, shooting consistency, and feel, he looks tailor-made to be a 7th or 8th man in the NBA who hits open shots and doesn’t beat himself. There's value in knowing exactly what you are—and Brea does.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#393 » by dckingsfan » Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:07 pm

Walton1one wrote:
If you can't space the floor, knock down open shots, and occasionally make the defense question their life choices, you're probably not long for the NBA. With that in mind, there are shooters, and then there are SHOOTERS. So, let’s take a stab at identifying 2025’s most promising shooting wings.

The statistical inputs for this query are as follows:

Height ≥ 76”
OBPM ≥ 4.5
TS% ≥ 57
3P FG% ≥ 38.5
3PA/100 Poss ≥ 10.5
Free Throw % ≥ 84
FG% at rim ≥ 0.55
Far 2s attempted ≥ 43
Far 2 FG% ≥ 36
Ast/TO Ratio ≥ 1.5


Past hits include names like Sam Merrill, Sam Hauser (twice!), Denzel Valentine, and R.J. Hunter—all of whom have logged real NBA minutes. The lone outlier? Kris Jenkins, who had his post-Villanova trajectory cut short by a hip injury before he could get his shot.

In other words: if you show up on this list, odds are you’re at least getting a cup of coffee in the league.

Now, onto the 2025 class. Four names made the cut: Kon Knueppel, John Poulakidas, Koby Brea, and Jacksen Moni.


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Kon Knueppel, Duke, 6’7” Shooting Guard
Kon Knueppel is the only freshman to make our list, and while his numbers scream “specialist,” watching him play quickly reveals that pigeonholing him as just a shooter doesn’t do the kid justice. Yes, he checks every statistical box on this shooting-wing query—40.6% from deep on high volume, 91.4% from the line, and a buttery 64.2 TS%—but Kon’s offensive game is far more layered than the query lets on.

Despite being the youngest name on this list, Knueppel was a certified bucket in the ACC. His shot mechanics are pristine and repeatable, and he shows the kind of versatility you want from a modern NBA shooting guard: catch-and-shoot? Easy. Relocation threes? Routine. Off-the-dribble midrange pull-ups against drop coverage? Money. That last bit was particularly lethal when paired with Duke’s lob threat Khaman Maluach, as Kon’s pull-up gravity in the in-between routinely pulled the big up, creating easy alley-oops which Kon dropped in with feathery touch.

Kon also flashed the ability to read closeouts and attack them decisively, finishing well at the rim thanks to strong footwork, timing, and touch—even if he’s not exactly punching on dudes. He’s not a high-flyer, and the burst isn’t elite, but he knows who he is, and more importantly, who he isn’t.

Defensively, the athletic limitations could show up more starkly at the next level. He’s smart and competitive on that end, but quicker NBA wings will test his foot speed. That said, the same things were said about Desmond Bane coming out, and while Bane had more bulk, Kon’s younger and just as skilled.

In a class that lacks surefire stars, Knueppel stands out as one of the most complete offensive guards. The fact that he also grades out as one of the best shooters in the country is just icing. The real question isn’t whether he can stick in the NBA—it’s how high he goes in June.


Koby Brea, Kentucky, 6’7” Wing
Koby Brea is a walking "stay attached" scouting report note. After four years lighting it up at Dayton, he took his talents to Lexington for one more go-round—and, surprise! He kept hitting everything. Brea has hit 43% of nearly 700 career threes, a ridiculous number that somehow undersells just how automatic he looks when he gets his feet set.

At 6’7” with a high, picturesque release, Brea is a problem. He can shoot off movement, knock down one or two-dribble pull-ups, and relocate like a seasoned vet. Offense slows down when he’s on the court—in a good way—and his 3:1 AST/TO ratio suggests he’s not just a finisher, but a connective piece who keeps things humming. He’s not threading skip passes like he’s Luka, but he sees the floor and keeps it simple.

Where Brea struggles is where a lot of elite shooters do: rim pressure and defense. He’s not blowing past defenders or creating defensive events on the other end. The tools just aren’t quite there in terms of twitch and pop (though he’s been recovering from an injury). But given his size, shooting consistency, and feel, he looks tailor-made to be a 7th or 8th man in the NBA who hits open shots and doesn’t beat himself. There's value in knowing exactly what you are—and Brea does.

There are going to be some steals in the second round...
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#394 » by Walton1one » Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:08 pm

I’m talking about the kind of bigs that make you say, “OK, he’s not changing your franchise, but I trust him to win a shift when it matters.” The grinders. The screen-setters. The guys who don’t need the ball to matter.

Finding value bigs in the modern NBA is basically the basketball version of Sudoku—you think you’ve got it figured out until a late-second-round pick becomes Isaiah Hartenstein. Teams want unicorns, sure, but they’ll happily settle for a dude who rebounds, protects the rim, finishes plays, and doesn’t trip over his own feet when asked to defend in space. Bonus points if he can throw a pass and run a dribble-handoff without turning into a pumpkin.

And in the 2025 season, only one name survived the cut: UConn’s Tarris Reed.

BPM ≥ 8.2
TS% ≥ 61.25
Def Reb % ≥ 20.7
Off Reb % ≥ 10.5
Ast/TO Ratio ≥ 0.55
Block % ≥ 7.8
FTr ≥ 42.5


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So what gives with Reed? Why wasn’t he on more boards?

Simple answer: he doesn’t shoot. Like, at all. His career three-point total (three shots!) is so low it might qualify as parody. His free-throw percentage is also in “let’s not mention that again” territory. But here’s the thing—most good NBA bigs didn’t shoot in college either. In fact, the average pre-draft NBA center who carved out a meaningful role shot just 1.8 threes per 100 possessions. Big shooting is cool, but it’s not required for guys like Reed. What is required? Rebounding. Screening. Rolling. Defending. Winning.


On offense, he’s a violent screen-setter and legit lob threat. He’s never going to orchestrate an offense, but he’s shown enough feel in handoffs and short-roll reads to not be a ball stopper. He’s physical without being reckless, and he’s learning how to use that strength to carve out space instead of just brute-forcing it.

Defensively? He’s a tree stump with feet. The kind of guy who sets up shop in the post and doesn’t move unless you bring a forklift. Reed bodied up Ryan Kalkbrenner this year and made him work for every inch. UConn even had him switching out on perimeter guys like Kam Jones, and Reed held his own. He’s not some switch-everything big, but he’s nimble enough to survive in a scheme and strong enough to keep fives off the glass.

The Verdict: Tarris Reed isn’t flashy. He’s not going to headline any mock drafts. But he’s 6’10”, 250 pounds, and does a lot of the little things. He rebounds, he defends, he scores efficiently, and he knows who he is. He’s not Embiid. He might not even be Aldrich. But he looks like a future NBA backup big who sticks around for a while
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#395 » by oldfishermen » Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:51 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Walton1one wrote:
If you can't space the floor, knock down open shots, and occasionally make the defense question their life choices, you're probably not long for the NBA. With that in mind, there are shooters, and then there are SHOOTERS. So, let’s take a stab at identifying 2025’s most promising shooting wings.

The statistical inputs for this query are as follows:

Height ≥ 76”
OBPM ≥ 4.5
TS% ≥ 57
3P FG% ≥ 38.5
3PA/100 Poss ≥ 10.5
Free Throw % ≥ 84
FG% at rim ≥ 0.55
Far 2s attempted ≥ 43
Far 2 FG% ≥ 36
Ast/TO Ratio ≥ 1.5


Past hits include names like Sam Merrill, Sam Hauser (twice!), Denzel Valentine, and R.J. Hunter—all of whom have logged real NBA minutes. The lone outlier? Kris Jenkins, who had his post-Villanova trajectory cut short by a hip injury before he could get his shot.

In other words: if you show up on this list, odds are you’re at least getting a cup of coffee in the league.

Now, onto the 2025 class. Four names made the cut: Kon Knueppel, John Poulakidas, Koby Brea, and Jacksen Moni.


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Kon Knueppel, Duke, 6’7” Shooting Guard
Kon Knueppel is the only freshman to make our list, and while his numbers scream “specialist,” watching him play quickly reveals that pigeonholing him as just a shooter doesn’t do the kid justice. Yes, he checks every statistical box on this shooting-wing query—40.6% from deep on high volume, 91.4% from the line, and a buttery 64.2 TS%—but Kon’s offensive game is far more layered than the query lets on.

Despite being the youngest name on this list, Knueppel was a certified bucket in the ACC. His shot mechanics are pristine and repeatable, and he shows the kind of versatility you want from a modern NBA shooting guard: catch-and-shoot? Easy. Relocation threes? Routine. Off-the-dribble midrange pull-ups against drop coverage? Money. That last bit was particularly lethal when paired with Duke’s lob threat Khaman Maluach, as Kon’s pull-up gravity in the in-between routinely pulled the big up, creating easy alley-oops which Kon dropped in with feathery touch.

Kon also flashed the ability to read closeouts and attack them decisively, finishing well at the rim thanks to strong footwork, timing, and touch—even if he’s not exactly punching on dudes. He’s not a high-flyer, and the burst isn’t elite, but he knows who he is, and more importantly, who he isn’t.

Defensively, the athletic limitations could show up more starkly at the next level. He’s smart and competitive on that end, but quicker NBA wings will test his foot speed. That said, the same things were said about Desmond Bane coming out, and while Bane had more bulk, Kon’s younger and just as skilled.

In a class that lacks surefire stars, Knueppel stands out as one of the most complete offensive guards. The fact that he also grades out as one of the best shooters in the country is just icing. The real question isn’t whether he can stick in the NBA—it’s how high he goes in June.


Koby Brea, Kentucky, 6’7” Wing
Koby Brea is a walking "stay attached" scouting report note. After four years lighting it up at Dayton, he took his talents to Lexington for one more go-round—and, surprise! He kept hitting everything. Brea has hit 43% of nearly 700 career threes, a ridiculous number that somehow undersells just how automatic he looks when he gets his feet set.

At 6’7” with a high, picturesque release, Brea is a problem. He can shoot off movement, knock down one or two-dribble pull-ups, and relocate like a seasoned vet. Offense slows down when he’s on the court—in a good way—and his 3:1 AST/TO ratio suggests he’s not just a finisher, but a connective piece who keeps things humming. He’s not threading skip passes like he’s Luka, but he sees the floor and keeps it simple.

Where Brea struggles is where a lot of elite shooters do: rim pressure and defense. He’s not blowing past defenders or creating defensive events on the other end. The tools just aren’t quite there in terms of twitch and pop (though he’s been recovering from an injury). But given his size, shooting consistency, and feel, he looks tailor-made to be a 7th or 8th man in the NBA who hits open shots and doesn’t beat himself. There's value in knowing exactly what you are—and Brea does.

There are going to be some steals in the second round...


I'm not buying into the Knueppel hype. Yes he is the best pure shooter in the draft. BUT...

He plays below the rim, has slow foot work, and plays matador defense.

This makes him a perfect clone of Luke Babbitt.

He got away with his many warts In the NCAA playing next to Flagg. I doubt he gets a second NBA contract.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#396 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:41 am

oldfishermen wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Walton1one wrote:
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There are going to be some steals in the second round...


I'm not buying into the Knueppel hype. Yes he is the best pure shooter in the draft. BUT...

He plays below the rim, has slow foot work, and plays matador defense.

This makes him a perfect clone of Luke Babbitt.

He got away with his many warts In the NCAA playing next to Flagg. I doubt he gets a second NBA contract.


Babbitt tested as an elite athlete for a 6'8 guy. His max vert was 37.5". His lane agility was better than many guards (Example - Avery Bradley).

He also averaged only 1.1 made 3PT shot over 2 years despite playing 35mpg.

Kennard is the comparison if you are not a believer. Bane is the guy if you are buying Kon's stock IMO.

I personally am not sure. We have seen so many guys w/o elite athleticism succeed in this league. Luka, CP3, Ingles even Middleton isnt a crazy comparison. The kid processes the game at a absurd level for someone his age. I could easily see him being a modern day Jeff Hornacek.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#397 » by Butter » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:05 am

Trade the pick. Either move up or move out.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#398 » by tester551 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:06 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:
oldfishermen wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:There are going to be some steals in the second round...


I'm not buying into the Knueppel hype. Yes he is the best pure shooter in the draft. BUT...

He plays below the rim, has slow foot work, and plays matador defense.

This makes him a perfect clone of Luke Babbitt.

He got away with his many warts In the NCAA playing next to Flagg. I doubt he gets a second NBA contract.


Babbitt tested as an elite athlete for a 6'8 guy. His max vert was 37.5". His lane agility was better than many guards (Example - Avery Bradley).

He also averaged only 1.1 made 3PT shot over 2 years despite playing 35mpg.

Kennard is the comparison if you are not a believer. Bane is the guy if you are buying Kon's stock IMO.

I personally am not sure. We have seen so many guys w/o elite athleticism succeed in this league. Luka, CP3, Ingles even Middleton isnt a crazy comparison. The kid processes the game at a absurd level for someone his age. I could easily see him being a modern day Jeff Hornacek.

Hornacek is a good comp.
I still think the best current player comp is a slightly better Grayson Allen (especially in style of play). I really like Allen & think he's underrated in the league.

Ultimate glue guy. Play hard & competes. Good (above average) in a lot of skill areas, but not elite in anything.

Level of impact will be a Josh Hart type player.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#399 » by DusterBuster » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:15 am

Sounds like Knueppel is going be drafted well before the 10th pick. I’m ok with it.

If the Blazers keep and use the pick, I hope they take a big swing, just highest talent swing.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#400 » by oldfishermen » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:19 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:
oldfishermen wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:There are going to be some steals in the second round...


I'm not buying into the Knueppel hype. Yes he is the best pure shooter in the draft. BUT...

He plays below the rim, has slow foot work, and plays matador defense.

This makes him a perfect clone of Luke Babbitt.

He got away with his many warts In the NCAA playing next to Flagg. I doubt he gets a second NBA contract.


Babbitt tested as an elite athlete for a 6'8 guy. His max vert was 37.5". His lane agility was better than many guards (Example - Avery Bradley).

He also averaged only 1.1 made 3PT shot over 2 years despite playing 35mpg.

Kennard is the comparison if you are not a believer. Bane is the guy if you are buying Kon's stock IMO.

I personally am not sure. We have seen so many guys w/o elite athleticism succeed in this league. Luka, CP3, Ingles even Middleton isnt a crazy comparison. The kid processes the game at a absurd level for someone his age. I could easily see him being a modern day Jeff Hornacek.



Babbitt was rated the best shooter in his draft class. His shooting %s where slightly better than Knueppell's, but Knu is a slightly better ft% shooter. See stat camparision below.

The Babbitt test results show how little they can be trusted. None of his elite stats made it to the NBA. We had a joke about his lack of jumping ability. The only time his feet left the floor during a game was, when he was sitting on the bench.

Knueppell vs Babbitt
FG%.. 47.9 vs 48
3P%.. 40.6 vs 42.1
FT%.. 91.4 vs 89.3

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