Jason Quick: Cho turning deals down for Rudy

[The Sebastian Express]

I don't see where it says that Cho asked for two.

[dagger]

I don't see where it says that Cho asked for two.

This was the question asked.

Do you have ANY proof whatsoever that Portland was offered a 1st from anyone?

[The Sebastian Express]

And there is a second part behind it. I really have no problem with Cho turning down a pick from two teams that will finish between 23-30.

[Norm2953]

I've always wondered why there was such an urgency for Rudy to be moved ASAP for
training camps do not start until the end of September and Portland was counting on
Rudy playing well enough to increase his trade value.

[tisbee]

Norm2953,
You trade Rudy before camp because letting him come to camp,totally po'd at Nate and the Blazers,is a potential disaster.
In the ESPN bit Nate said Rudy,Bayless and Webster all expressed unhappiness w/their situations. Oden was unhappy w/his role at beginning of season and Miller finally expressed his unhappiness in front of the team. Rudy is asking to be traded,Bayless asked to be traded during season and Webster has been traded. The Blazers drafted a PG and signed a SG FA-both positions Bayless plays.
Rudy comes to camp angry and bitter and not only adds negative energy,he becomes a willing listener and enabler to anyone who is unhappy w/Nate's rotations,game plans,etc.(And lets just pretend the rest of the team isn't going to tire very quickly of the constant press questions about Rudy in every city the Blazers travel to.)
Besides being a huge distraction and a festering pit of negativity,Rudy has the potential to divide the locker-room,ruin team chemistry and be the first domino in Nate losing the team.
There are times when a team has to make a move it really doesn't want in order to head off trouble down the road. I think the Blazers are at that point,but I doubt the team agrees w/me

[jeffhardyfan52]

where did bayless ask to be traded? everything i have heard from bayless him self in his blogs and stuff like that he has never asked to be traded

[BucksRUS]

Of course if it's just Johnson it's a big NO FCKING WAY.
If it's Johnson and a 2nd round it's still a no, if it's Johnson and the Bobcats pick it's a no brainer, and if it's Johnson and the Bulls 1st round pick i'd do it.

Bulls had two offers. James Johnson and first for Rudy or just a future first for Rudy. Not sure if it was a future Chicago first or Charlotte's first. Bulls still have enough cap space to absorb Rudy's contract.

I thought I heard that Portland didn't want to get a player in return because they are already at 15 contracts and like to re-sign Mills.

[monopoman]

Look at the bright side worst case scenario with Rudy we are out 3 million dollars+some salary to buy him from the Suns.

Whoop de do when you have an owner as rich as Paul that is a drop in the bucket for an experimental player that could have been worth the 3 million and his salary ten times over.

It's not like we traded some useful player to get him from the Suns.

[GregB]

Agreed with BBFA. What these children from other team's forums cannot seem to understand, is that it is RUDE to come over here and say that kind of stuff just to "stir the pot". Do you think we haven't heard a Celtic fan offer those sentiments before? Think we haven't heard that same thing from numerous Chicago fans? From multiple New York fans?

You are all forgetting that there are 3 ways to measure Rudy's value. There is his innate value, what skills and talents he bring relative to his contract. He has a team value, which is what he represents and brings to the Blazers themselves. And finally he has a trade value, which is what is currently being offered for him. At the moment, his trade value is criminally below the other two values.

Innate value - Come one, do I really have to argue this? There is a reason why the thought of Rudy makes people giddy enough to find out the Portland forum and ask for him. Before Curry, Rudy broke the rookie record for 3pt shots, which he did as a back-up and role player. He is an energy player who, if you ask almost any Portland fan can testify for his ability to change games when on the top of his game.

Team value - This is the one that people are vastly underestimating. Yes, he might not even play for us this year, but even so I bet he sells more of his jerseys than it costs to pay him. He is/was a fan favorite, who was also a favorite of the owner. Unfortunately human nature makes it such that, going from being a fan favorite to pariah on the team means we still hold some residual value on him - enough that we would rather him rot than get a bum deal for him. Allen has even expressed sentiments similar to that.

Trade value - This is the embarrassingly low aspect, that fans like GregB, are interpreting as free game and blood in the water. If we are going to trade Rudy, it has to be for something that actually helps us, and certainly clear a roster spot. A late draft pick next year wont help us, we are already way overstocked on draftees, and usually buy the ones we want anyways. It would also probably be easier to trade Rudy if he had a bigger contract - instead we are not only getting bottom of the barrel offers for Rudy, but those we are getting aren't even good enough to have earned any sizable money yet, the poorest bottom of the barrel.

All this is saying is - if you are going to repeatedly offer us stupidly low offers - then you can prepare to go and suck it like every other team that has lowballed us. If you seriously cannot understand why we do not run with your offer than please do not come to this forum again and express that. We don't care that you lack any perception or insight, and that your ability to think critically has been impacted by your lack of maturity - just dont friggin' bother us with it.

Well I love how Im rude yet you insult other fans as children. Good work lol.

Im just calling it how I see it. You guys turn down offers and they keep getting worse not better. So instead of taking a first and salary relief. You guys would rather hold onto a disgruntled player who doesnt want to be there. That just makes absolutely no sense. Pritchard and Cho has missed the ball on this completely and saying otherwise is total spin.

But feel free to come back with but who knows they were offered anything? Well every story we have read has been pretty consistent with these reports. So Unless every media members has it wrong, I think its pretty obvious what has been offered. Its certianly not the end of the world for you since rudy just cost you money. But theirs no way Cho looks good in how he handled it.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Well I love how Im rude yet you insult other fans as children. Good work lol.

I wasn't the one stirring the pot when it has already been stirred enough and the pot is tired of people sticking their spoons in to watch the soup go round and round. Just callin' it like I see it.

Im just calling it how I see it. You guys turn down offers and they keep getting worse not better. So instead of taking a first and salary relief. You guys would rather hold onto a disgruntled player who doesnt want to be there. That just makes absolutely no sense. Pritchard and Cho has missed the ball on this completely and saying otherwise is total spin.

I don't feel like the GM has mishandled this. I feel like Rudy and his agent have acted in a manner that is so unprofessional that the most professional way to handle this is to not jump when they tell spanish tabloids they want him to. If you want to call that spin go for it, but not bowing down to others (especially your employee's) commands is how you stay in control of a business.

But feel free to come back with but who knows they were offered anything? Well every story we have read has been pretty consistent with these reports. So Unless every media members has it wrong, I think its pretty obvious what has been offered. Its certianly not the end of the world for you since rudy just cost you money. But theirs no way Cho looks good in how he handled it.

I do not doubt that is what has been offered. However, I haven't seen anything that is certainly a good deal for us (besides unloading Rudy). Also, there is almost certainly information that Cho and co have that I (or you) do not. Since I truly believe they are better at their jobs than I would be (or YOU would be for that matter) then I can only conclude that there are legitimate reasons to have not done any of the deals that have been offered yet. That being the case, I do not see how you can conclude that they will not look good at the end of this.

[Wizenheimer]

Im just calling it how I see it.

and what make you think your vantage point offers you anything close to clear vision?

unless you're one of the other 29 GM's in the league, you're just basing your uninformed opinions on what may very well be on uninformed rumors and self-serving 'leaks' by Rudy's agent

You guys turn down offers and they keep getting worse not better. So instead of taking a first and salary relief. You guys would rather hold onto a disgruntled player who doesnt want to be there. That just makes absolutely no sense. Pritchard and Cho has missed the ball on this completely and saying otherwise is total spin.

I think Pritchard missed a lot of balls in his tenure...and that's likely one of the reasons Cho is GM

and as far as I can tell, when Cho took over, Rudy had whittled down the list of teams to which he'd 'accept' a trade to 3 teams. That's fairly well tying the hands of a GM and just about guaranteeing that those 3 teams will make lowball offers

But feel free to come back with but who knows they were offered anything? Well every story we have read has been pretty consistent with these reports. So Unless every media members has it wrong, I think its pretty obvious what has been offered. Its certainly not the end of the world for you since rudy just cost you money. But theirs no way Cho looks good in how he handled it.

"Unless every media members has it wrong"....LOL. It's entirely possible that all those "media members" are regurgitating and echoing the story from one "source", and in this case, that source could very well be rudy's agent. He sure as hell doesn't seem shy about blabbing to the media

you say "I think its pretty obvious what has been offered"...well, the reports are that NY offered Wilson Chandler. First thing is, it wouldn't work...the salaries don't match. Second thing is, NY has been fairly adamant they didn't make that offer

Yet, that has been one of the rumored deals that you put so much stock in. So maybe, what you think you know about the offers that Portland has received for Rudy, isn't as much or as accurate as you think

Finally, about all those supposed offers of late 1st round picks: something that people seem to be ignoring is that the contracts for those picks won't be covered under the current CBA. They will fall under a new CBA. So, judging the value of those picks isn't that simple. Maybe they'll be more valuable then they currently are. Or maybe they'll be less valuable. And frankly, they aren't that valuable in the first place to a team like Portland right now

[The Sebastian Express]

Oh man Wizen is alive it is a miracle I thought he'd gone the way of DMiles23/Spykes (RIP?).

[Devilzsidewalk]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5477272

A league source told ESPN.com that in late June, several teams with draft picks in the teens offered to send their pick to Portland for Fernandez, but the Blazers -- who were being run by then-general manager Kevin Pritchard -- declined.

Jason Quick said when MN inquired before the draft, that Rudy was the one that turned it down, not Pritchard, which is it

[Wizenheimer]

Oh man Wizen is alive it is a miracle I thought he'd gone the way of DMiles23/Spykes (RIP?).

alive and refreshed after about 10 days camping in the mountains. And the mosquitos didn't even make off with too much of my blood

seems like I missed a lot more Rudy drama and the resulting excuse at RealGM to bash the Blazers. no loss

I've wondered 'out loud' about what happened to Spykes a couple of times but the other moderators won't say....

[mojomarc]

Spykes is around somewhere. He said he needed a bit of a break for the offseason, so I wouldn't be too surprised if he were hanging out with Elvis, getting a good laugh off those who wonder where he is.

[sully00]

While I don't have a link to it, it was a essentially confirmed on this end that Boston offered Sheed's contract and a '11 1st for Fernandez and Przybilla and were told it would take two 1sts.

Boston's response was sign Shaq and Von Wafer but stay in the discussion with non guaranteed money and a 1st.

Collison is in IND and nobody is talking about two 1sts.

[jeffhardyfan52]

I wish we would of brought sheed home

[sully00]

I wish we would of brought sheed home

Danny Ainge tried to trade for him the minute he got the job and when he finally gets him he needs a walker and quits. But were fine we got a 38 year old Shaq and a 38 year old looking JO.

[BballFanAddict]

While I don't have a link to it, it was a essentially confirmed on this end that Boston offered Sheed's contract and a '11 1st for Fernandez and Przybilla and were told it would take two 1sts.

Boston's response was sign Shaq and Von Wafer but stay in the discussion with non guaranteed money and a 1st.

Collison is in IND and nobody is talking about two 1sts.

Of course it would take 2 firsts. hell, I wouldn't do that trade for 2 firsts. That trade is Pryzbilla and Fernandez for Boston's 2011 pick, because Sheed is retiring. Why the hell would Portland do that? Hell, why would they do it for 2 of Boston's late 1st round picks?

[The Sebastian Express]

Spykes is around somewhere. He said he needed a bit of a break for the offseason, so I wouldn't be too surprised if he were hanging out with Elvis, getting a good laugh off those who wonder where he is.

But he's been gone since the start of last season :/