2013 Draft Night Thread.

JD45 · Post #41 » by **JD45** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:11 am

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
cucad8 wrote:Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 15m
Some draft scuttle: Rockets have been offered chance to shed contract of PF Thomas Robinson for first-round pick in next Thursday's draft

Could be Nets? Who else might trade out for a PF?

Got to be someone with cap space. So Cavs are a good bet.

JD45 · Post #42 » by **JD45** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:42 am

A couple of Zeller Comparisons:

Zeller compared to LaMarcus Aldridge (Combine and Sophmore college stats):
Height: .............7' 0.25... 6' 11.25
Weight: .............230 .......234
Wingspan: ..........6' 10.75 ...7' 4.75 (Huge Aldridge Advantage)
Reach: ..............8'10........ 9' 2 " (Big Aldridge Advantage)
Body fat: ............4.8%...... 8.7%
No Step Vert: ......35.5..... 26.5 (Huge Advantage Zeller)
Bench press:........ 17....... 8
Lane Agility:........ 10.82 ...12.02 (Huge Advantage Zeller)
3/4 Court Sprint:.. 3.15..... 3.43

Basic Stats per 40 Pace Adjusted:
Points:........ 21.8.... 18.0 (Zeller Advantage)
FG%: ...........56.2..... 56.9
FTA: ...........9.5 ........5.9 (Huge Advantage Zeller)
FT% ............75.7% .....64.6% (Zeller Advantage
Rebounds: ..10.7........ 11
Assists: .......1.7......... 0.6 (Zeller advantage)
Stls: ............1.4........ 1.6
Blks: ............1.7 ........2.4 (Huge Advantage Aldridge)
TOs .............3.0........ 1.9 (Big Advantage Aldridge)

Zeller is often compared to Aldridge, but I just don't see it. Aldridge is very long and soft and the stats show that. Even in college he avoided contact, but was productive. Zeller is just as good a rebounder, but gets to the foul line a lot more. He is clearly using his athleticism to make up for the shorter arms.

Zeller's measurements actually look more like another PF drafted highly:
Height: ..............7' 0.25..... 6' 10
Weight: .............230........... 248
Wingspan:........... 6' 10.75...... 6' 11.25
Reach: ...............8'10 ............8' 9
Body fat: ............4.8%............ 8.9%
No Step Vert: ......35.5............ 32.0
Bench press:....... 17 ...............22
Lane Agility: ........10.82.......... 10.95
3/4 Court Sprint:.. 3.15............. 3.28

That is Zeller compared to Blake Griffin. It is amazing how well Zeller matches up. Griffin was far more productive as a college player, so there is no comparison there. But I think it shows clearly, that Zeller is well suited to play PF in the NBA and has the potential to be as good as Aldridge, although a different type of player. I think his biggest problem is being white. It makes it hard to accept how athletic he is.

TBpup · Post #43 » by **TBpup** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:35 am

CJ McCollum vs Erick Green

Green - 25.0pts, 4 rebs, 3.8 assts, 1.3 stls, 50.9% FG, 38.9 3pt%...McCollum light.
CJM.....23.9pts, 5 rebs, 2.9 assts, 1.4 stls, 49.5% FG, 51.6 3pt% on limited shots.

Wait, why is McCollum rated so much higher? Green played in a tougher conference, scored more and had more assists with less TOs?

McCollum projected in the lottery, Green in the early 2nd round. Not sure I get it. Both are undersized SGs but Green is more of the playmaker who would be better at being a legit combo.

tester551 · Post #44 » by **tester551** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:38 am

My issue with Zeller is how poor he is in the post. I don't see that improving in the NBA.

-Cody Zeller was maligned at times for his lack of great progress this season, but nonetheless looks the part of a high-level prospect on paper. He used 14.9 possessions per-game while scoring 1.06 points per-possession, both well-above average marks only marginally different than those posted by Anthony Bennett.

Unlike Bennett though, Zeller stands out in a few very specific areas. Drawing free throws on an impressive 25.7% of his possessions, Zeller got to the line at a better rate than any high usage player in this group, by a fairly large margin. He also got out in transition for 13.9% of his possessions, the third most among players in this group, and converted at a near 80% rate on the break, also good for third. These two things helped him compensate for his below average 43% shooting in the post and only slightly above average 60.9% shooting as a finisher.

Zeller's main weakness on paper besides his finishing ability inside the paint is his limited jump shooting prowess. Attempting the second fewest jumpers per-game in this group at just 0.7 per-game, he knocked down an average 37.5% of that limited number of tries.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Situational-Statistics-the-2013-Power-Forward-Crop-4279

tester551 · Post #45 » by **tester551** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:42 am

TBpup wrote:CJ McCollum vs Erick Green

Green - 25.0pts, 4 rebs, 3.8 assts, 1.3 stls, 50.9% FG, 38.9 3pt%...McCollum light.
CJM.....23.9pts, 5 rebs, 2.9 assts, 1.4 stls, 49.5% FG, 51.6 3pt% on limited shots.

Wait, why is McCollum rated so much higher? Green played in a tougher conference, scored more and had more assists with less TOs?

McCollum projected in the lottery, Green in the early 2nd round. Not sure I get it. Both are undersized SGs but Green is more of the playmaker who would be better at being a legit combo.

Amen....

Green has an amazingly low TO rate for his usage. The only knock I have on him is his defense.... although it isn't like McCollum is a great defender either.

For the Blazers, I actually like Nate Wolters better. He is a bigger guard who can defend SG. He is a better distributor than Green & almost as good of a scorer.

Post #46 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:28 am

Case2012 wrote:No I meant CJ McCullum. I was talking about second rounders earlier so I can see how you might be confused, my bad.

Oh. Well that is McCollum.

Post #47 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:42 am

TBpup wrote:CJ McCollum vs Erick Green

Green - 25.0pts, 4 rebs, 3.8 assts, 1.3 stls, 50.9% FG, 38.9 3pt%...McCollum light.
CJM.....23.9pts, 5 rebs, 2.9 assts, 1.4 stls, 49.5% FG, 51.6 3pt% on limited shots.

Wait, why is McCollum rated so much higher? Green played in a tougher conference, scored more and had more assists with less TOs?

McCollum projected in the lottery, Green in the early 2nd round. Not sure I get it. Both are undersized SGs but Green is more of the playmaker who would be better at being a legit combo.

Since when is 5.3 3pt attempts a limited number of shots? McCollum is the far superior shooter. Over 50% when half his offense comes from behind the arc is ridiculous!

You are probably right about playmaking. CJ has a terrible A/T ratio. Kind of makes me second guess why he is projected in the lottery.

Shem · Post #48 » by **Shem** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:02 am

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tester551 · Post #49 » by **tester551** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:39 am

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
TBpup wrote:CJ McCollum vs Erick Green

Green - 25.0pts, 4 rebs, 3.8 assts, 1.3 stls, 50.9% FG, 38.9 3pt%...McCollum light.
CJM.....23.9pts, 5 rebs, 2.9 assts, 1.4 stls, 49.5% FG, 51.6 3pt% on limited shots.

Wait, why is McCollum rated so much higher? Green played in a tougher conference, scored more and had more assists with less TOs?

McCollum projected in the lottery, Green in the early 2nd round. Not sure I get it. Both are undersized SGs but Green is more of the playmaker who would be better at being a legit combo.

Since when is 5.3 3pt attempts a limited number of shots? McCollum is the far superior shooter. Over 50% when half his offense comes from behind the arc is ridiculous!

You are probably right about playmaking. CJ has a terrible A/T ratio. Kind of makes me second guess why he is projected in the lottery.

I think he meant that it was only 10 or so games (against fairly low level competition.... even for Lehigh). He got injured early in the year, so his 51 3% didn't have time to even out as the season wore on.

Blazinaway · Post #50 » by **Blazinaway** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:29 pm

just saw sheridan hoops latest mock, had Dieng at #27, this is gonna be an interesting and very unpredictable event

he also said POR-Minny-Dallas were the teams lookin to move their pick

TBpup · Post #51 » by **TBpup** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:47 pm

tester551 wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Since when is 5.3 3pt attempts a limited number of shots? McCollum is the far superior shooter. Over 50% when half his offense comes from behind the arc is ridiculous!

I think he meant that it was only 10 or so games (against fairly low level competition.... even for Lehigh). He got injured early in the year, so his 51 3% didn't have time to even out as the season wore on.

tester551...that is exactly what I meant. He did shoot over 5 per game but due to his injury, it's a fairly small sample. It's about a 1/3 of the threes he took the preceding year. I'm not doubting his shooting ability at all as he can stroke it from the arc. In six of his games he went a combined 26-40 = 65%. In the other six games he shot 7-24 = 29%. Very likely he would have been over 40% for the season and maybe even mid 40s but historically, to shoot over 50% for an entire season at that volume seems rare even against week competition.

Talent Chaser · Post #52 » by **Talent Chaser** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:22 pm

Zeller, Green, and Livio Jean-Charles would be an amazing draft.
Green can handle the ball and create for himself, Zeller is an athletic freak who never got a real chance to show his skill set at Indiana, and Jean Charles is the ultimate garbage man rebounder which the blazers could use off of the bench. Green>McCollum, McCollum not playing the majority of his senior year boosted his stock quite a bit + Lillard. Green faced the better competition by a wide margin and hardly turned the ball over + his first step is infinitely better than McCollums. He reminds me A LOT of Gerald Henderson.

gaspar · Post #53 » by **gaspar** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:00 pm

slightly OT:
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GreenRiddler · Post #54 » by **GreenRiddler** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:47 pm

Just brought in that Kansas guard for a second workout. I don't know why, we traded his better predecessor for Cash last year. Cash ended up being a bust didn't recorded a single statistic.

Shem · Post #55 » by **Shem** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:41 pm

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Shem · Post #56 » by **Shem** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:45 pm

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DusterBuster · Post #57 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:30 pm

I'm trying to predict who the draft day slider is going to be. That might be a fun poll to throw up closer to the draft. Right now, I think my money is on Anthony Bennett. I seriously wouldn't be that surprised to see him available at Portland's pick. That would really put Olshey to the test if he's honest about his whole drafting BPA mantra.

Jsun947 · Post #58 » by **Jsun947** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:02 pm

I think Noel is going to fall, and fall hard. During a interview I heard they sold the following

1.) Blew several high profile agents off, including missing an appointment 6 different times with one of them.
2.) Not returning calls to teams.
3.) refusing to interview with teams.
4.) Refusing to hand over medical reports

JD45 · Post #59 » by **JD45** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:07 pm

Jsun947 wrote:I think Noel is going to fall, and fall hard. During a interview I heard they sold the following

1.) Blew several high profile agents off, including missing an appointment 6 different times with one of them.
2.) Not returning calls to teams.
3.) refusing to interview with teams.
4.) Refusing to hand over medical reports

I really hope he doesn't fall to Portland. That will be a high risk decision.

Post #60 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:25 pm

If he drops to ten you take him and run. High risk, maybe, but extremely high reward if he pans. Moreso than anyone else available at ten.