Oh No - Landslide from Lebron decision

Milkdud · Post #41 » by **Milkdud** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:54 am

Thomas was signed to be a 6th man with or without Bledsoe/Dragic combo sticking. I think if the Suns don't want to pay Bledsoe they are still better served doing a S&T.

DavidSterned · Post #42 » by **DavidSterned** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:13 am

Oden2 wrote:
DavidSterned wrote:I think the Suns are going to let Bledsoe walk. Have to think Miami or Houston are the favorites to get him.

I think Atlanta signs Bledsoe if not phx. I wouldn't mind if he goes to Houston, he doesn't compliment that team too well anyways.

I hope he leaves the WC, two less times he can own us.

PDXKnight · Post #43 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:21 am

DavidSterned wrote:
Oden2 wrote:
DavidSterned wrote:I think the Suns are going to let Bledsoe walk. Have to think Miami or Houston are the favorites to get him.

I think Atlanta signs Bledsoe if not phx. I wouldn't mind if he goes to Houston, he doesn't compliment that team too well anyways.

I hope he leaves the WC, two less times he can own us.

I'd actually take Bledsoe over dragic if I were building a team from scratch with either as a component. That would be a pretty big loss for phx

GreenRiddler · Post #44 » by **GreenRiddler** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:30 am

playing with our belly lint is better than playing with the stove, cause you get burned.

MAN! So they trade thier big time defensive center for a pick, use that pick to get Lin off thier hands, only to...overpay Parsons or settle for Ariza.

I can't imagine the number of y'all that would burn NO at the stake if that happened here.

PDXKnight · Post #45 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:43 am

GreenRiddler wrote:playing with our belly lint is better than playing with the stove, cause you get burned.

MAN! So they trade thier big time defensive center for a pick, use that pick to get Lin off thier hands, only to...overpay Parsons or settle for Ariza.

I can't imagine the number of y'all that would burn NO at the stake if that happened here.

And they got worse as a team. That being said I think they sign somebody like Ariza and balance things out.

TBpup · Post #46 » by **TBpup** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:44 am

Phoenix has some concerns about Bledsoe's knees...hence the back-up options.

Morey is taking some serious heat in Houston. Apparently Bosh is a lot more interested in money than winning. I get that Miami could offer more but he would still get money in the 5th year somewhere else. Now he will just rot down in Miami and collect paychecks while Houston gave up 2 of their top 8 players and a draft pick for nothing and have to pay Parsons a lot more.

Another good thing out of this is Houston won't have cap space next summer to offer Aldridge.

Case2012 · Post #47 » by **Case2012** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:53 am

Neither will Dallas I think. That was my main concern about FA, is if Dallas would attempt to keep space for a 4 year.

PDXKnight · Post #48 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:04 am

TBpup wrote:Phoenix has some concerns about Bledsoe's knees...hence the back-up options.

Morey is taking some serious heat in Houston. Apparently Bosh is a lot more interested in money than winning. I get that Miami could offer more but he would still get money in the 5th year somewhere else. Now he will just rot down in Miami and collect paychecks while Houston gave up 2 of their top 8 players and a draft pick for nothing and have to pay Parsons a lot more.

Another good thing out of this is Houston won't have cap space next summer to offer Aldridge.

Houston has to match Parsons (obviously). To not match that contract is absolute suicide going into next year and beyond and its taking a major risk in hopes that the rockets can somehow sign a big name. Dallas proved that there are teams who would be willing to acquire Parsons if Houston wants to make a move for a big name next summer so there's still a possibility that the Rockets clear some space next summer if they're positive that something opens up but yes this puts a major roadblock on LA signing with the team that would be most likely to draw him out of Porltand (Dallas is a close second but ultimately I don't think LA buys that the Mavs are gonna put him closer to a title than Portland and I am skeptical that LA would want to play center even if it was to return to his home town).

My one concern is that a team manages to somehow pull off a Miami heat and sign a big 3 but I'm not sure I see too many possibilities out there of that happening. The landscape is shaping up quite well for the Blazers in respect to LA.

Post #49 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:07 am

TBpup wrote:Phoenix has some concerns about Bledsoe's knees...hence the back-up options.

Morey is taking some serious heat in Houston. Apparently Bosh is a lot more interested in money than winning. I get that Miami could offer more but he would still get money in the 5th year somewhere else. Now he will just rot down in Miami and collect paychecks while Houston gave up 2 of their top 8 players and a draft pick for nothing and have to pay Parsons a lot more.

Another good thing out of this is Houston won't have cap space next summer to offer Aldridge.

You can't say Bosh cares more about money than winning. He gave up money already to win. Another team can't give him a fifth year guaranteed. He's thirty. In what world is he going to earn 25+ a year at 35 like he will in Miami? He can get another contract at 35, but likely t he same he would have gotten at 34 - without sacrificing the 25+ mil in the fifth year.

TBpup · Post #50 » by **TBpup** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:18 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:
TBpup wrote:Phoenix has some concerns about Bledsoe's knees...hence the back-up options.

Morey is taking some serious heat in Houston. Apparently Bosh is a lot more interested in money than winning. I get that Miami could offer more but he would still get money in the 5th year somewhere else. Now he will just rot down in Miami and collect paychecks while Houston gave up 2 of their top 8 players and a draft pick for nothing and have to pay Parsons a lot more.

Another good thing out of this is Houston won't have cap space next summer to offer Aldridge.

You can't say Bosh cares more about money than winning. He gave up money already to win. Another team can't give him a fifth year guaranteed. He's thirty. In what world is he going to earn 25+ a year at 35 like he will in Miami? He can get another contract at 35, but likely t he same he would have gotten at 34 - without sacrificing the 25+ mil in the fifth year.

Of course he wouldn't get that amount in the 5th year but is the difference worth not being a contender for the rest of his contract? That is why I was saying he cares more about the money (in this contract) than he does about winning. He had a much better chance to contend in Houston hands down.

PDXKnight · Post #51 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:19 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:
TBpup wrote:Phoenix has some concerns about Bledsoe's knees...hence the back-up options.

Morey is taking some serious heat in Houston. Apparently Bosh is a lot more interested in money than winning. I get that Miami could offer more but he would still get money in the 5th year somewhere else. Now he will just rot down in Miami and collect paychecks while Houston gave up 2 of their top 8 players and a draft pick for nothing and have to pay Parsons a lot more.

Another good thing out of this is Houston won't have cap space next summer to offer Aldridge.

You can't say Bosh cares more about money than winning. He gave up money already to win. Another team can't give him a fifth year guaranteed. He's thirty. In what world is he going to earn 25+ a year at 35 like he will in Miami? He can get another contract at 35, but likely t he same he would have gotten at 34 - without sacrificing the 25+ mil in the fifth year.

Agreed. People seem to think its a player's duty to turn down more money in the NBA to win games. It would be interesting to see how many of these individuals would turn down that fifth year if they were in Bosh's shoes.

Norm2953 · Post #52 » by **Norm2953** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:27 am

Oden2 wrote:
TBpup wrote:Phoenix has some concerns about Bledsoe's knees...hence the back-up options.

Morey is taking some serious heat in Houston. Apparently Bosh is a lot more interested in money than winning. I get that Miami could offer more but he would still get money in the 5th year somewhere else. Now he will just rot down in Miami and collect paychecks while Houston gave up 2 of their top 8 players and a draft pick for nothing and have to pay Parsons a lot more.

Another good thing out of this is Houston won't have cap space next summer to offer Aldridge.

Houston has to match Parsons (obviously). To not match that contract is absolute suicide going into next year and beyond and its taking a major risk in hopes that the rockets can somehow sign a big name. Dallas proved that there are teams who would be willing to acquire Parsons if Houston wants to make a move for a big name next summer so there's still a possibility that the Rockets clear some space next summer if they're positive that something opens up but yes this puts a major roadblock on LA signing with the team that would be most likely to draw him out of Porltand (Dallas is a close second but ultimately I don't think LA buys that the Mavs are gonna put him closer to a title than Portland and I am skeptical that LA would want to play center even if it was to return to his home town).

My one concern is that a team manages to somehow pull off a Miami heat and sign a big 3 but I'm not sure I see too many possibilities out there of that happening. The landscape is shaping up quite well for the Blazers in respect to LA.

The big threat next summer for LA will likely come from SA for the Lakers seem to be pissing away
their cap space resigning guys from last years team. LA however might be the premier FA for 2015
if Love ends up with Lebron.

I do wonder what Olshey would do if Cleveland struck out trying to get Love and approached
Portland about LA.

Downtown · Post #53 » by **Downtown** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:39 am

Well, if Cleveland offered the same sort of rumoured package you would be looking at some sort of combination of Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters, possibly Anthony Bennett, and a first round pick. No Wiggins. While the package as a whole looks nice no one there could carry a team the way Aldridge can on any given night. For a rebuilding team whose star has made it known he might look elsewhere maybe, but for a team whose star has been quoted as saying he will sign an extension knowing the team isn't rebuilding but is a solid playoff team, no way.

Norm2953 · Post #54 » by **Norm2953** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:57 am

The Lakers might be having the worst off season in their team history. They might be looking
now at 2016 for Kobe and Nash are still around and they could not sign any free agent of
note with their cap space. Pau Gasol is almost certain to be leaving and they are wasting
their cap space to re-sign guys like Jordan Hill after whiffing on Melo.

I wonder what our friend Deep thinks of his teams chances in 2015 even with a healthy Kobe.

Post #55 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:24 am

TBpup wrote:
The Sebastian Express wrote:
TBpup wrote:Phoenix has some concerns about Bledsoe's knees...hence the back-up options.

Morey is taking some serious heat in Houston. Apparently Bosh is a lot more interested in money than winning. I get that Miami could offer more but he would still get money in the 5th year somewhere else. Now he will just rot down in Miami and collect paychecks while Houston gave up 2 of their top 8 players and a draft pick for nothing and have to pay Parsons a lot more.

Another good thing out of this is Houston won't have cap space next summer to offer Aldridge.

You can't say Bosh cares more about money than winning. He gave up money already to win. Another team can't give him a fifth year guaranteed. He's thirty. In what world is he going to earn 25+ a year at 35 like he will in Miami? He can get another contract at 35, but likely t he same he would have gotten at 34 - without sacrificing the 25+ mil in the fifth year.

Of course he wouldn't get that amount in the 5th year but is the difference worth not being a contender for the rest of his contract? That is why I was saying he cares more about the money (in this contract) than he does about winning. He had a much better chance to contend in Houston hands down.

Who is to say that Miami wont end up trading him? Or that he can demand a trade? Riley isn't a bad GM. Will they win the if they sign Luol Deng or a Bledsoe in addition to Wade? No. But they'll compete. They can still be good enough to be top four in the East.

TBpup · Post #56 » by **TBpup** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:57 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:Who is to say that Miami wont end up trading him? Or that he can demand a trade? Riley isn't a bad GM. Will they win the if they sign Luol Deng or a Bledsoe in addition to Wade? No. But they'll compete. They can still be good enough to be top four in the East.

They could well do that but right now, #3/4 in the East isn't contending and I don't see Miami in the top 2. As JVG said, there were several teams in the West that could have beat the Heat this year.

HoopsFanAZ · Post #57 » by **HoopsFanAZ** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:00 am

Though Batum is my favorite player and I'm a fan of Love's game …

MINN: Love to Suns / receive Batum + T.Robinson
PHX: Bledsoe + Tucker to Blazers / receive Love
PTD: Batum + Robinson to Wolves / receive Bledsoe + Tucker (if he hasn't signed, yet)

Olshey raved about Bledsoe and reports down here suggested the knees are fine.
Anytime there's a scope there's reason for concern, but no reports that cartilage was a significant red flag.
8-)

PDXKnight · Post #58 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:00 am

Norm2953 wrote:
Oden2 wrote:
Houston has to match Parsons (obviously). To not match that contract is absolute suicide going into next year and beyond and its taking a major risk in hopes that the rockets can somehow sign a big name. Dallas proved that there are teams who would be willing to acquire Parsons if Houston wants to make a move for a big name next summer so there's still a possibility that the Rockets clear some space next summer if they're positive that something opens up but yes this puts a major roadblock on LA signing with the team that would be most likely to draw him out of Porltand (Dallas is a close second but ultimately I don't think LA buys that the Mavs are gonna put him closer to a title than Portland and I am skeptical that LA would want to play center even if it was to return to his home town).

My one concern is that a team manages to somehow pull off a Miami heat and sign a big 3 but I'm not sure I see too many possibilities out there of that happening. The landscape is shaping up quite well for the Blazers in respect to LA.

The big threat next summer for LA will likely come from SA for the Lakers seem to be pissing away
their cap space resigning guys from last years team. LA however might be the premier FA for 2015
if Love ends up with Lebron.

I do wonder what Olshey would do if Cleveland struck out trying to get Love and approached
Portland about LA.

Sa isn't enough of a market to scare me, we're actually a bigger market than sa if I'm not mistaken but even if they are bigger it isn't by much. I feel like portland would outdo sa by giving la that fifth year. At this stage in his career la is gonna want that fifth year. Plus sa is not a team to go after big name free agents, they build through the draft primarily and I'm not so sure they'd burn 1//3 of their cap on la when they have Parker and the rest of their team to think about. Sa has proven in te past that they don't like to spend a ton of money on talent, they pay to keep their roster together but they stay under the lux tax mostly and have success at it. Signing la is gonna quite possibly put that team in lux tax territory when sa has to worry about resigning guys like Parker (who will likely want more than his measly 12 million the second time around) and green. Finally sa is old. This excuse has been used before but this time sa is on the verge of losing Duncan and ginobili in the very near future to retirement. A good amount of sa's young players will be free agents next summer so there's no guarantee sa can keep the team together outside of Parker and splitter beyond next season. La has the assurance that batum and Lillard will be back and ultimately I think playing with lillard is far more appealing than playing with an over the hill Parker. Pop and the spurs system will have a draw but don't see that being enough for la to turn down a fifth year and more money with portland. I feel very good about our chances.

PDXKnight · Post #59 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:18 am

HoopsFanAZ wrote:Though Batum is my favorite player and I'm a fan of Love's game …

MINN: Love to Suns / receive Batum + T.Robinson
PHX: Bledsoe + Tucker to Blazers / receive Love
PTD: Batum + Robinson to Wolves / receive Bledsoe + Tucker (if he hasn't signed, yet)

Olshey raved about Bledsoe and reports down here suggested the knees are fine.
Anytime there's a scope there's reason for concern, but no reports that cartilage was a significant red flag.

In terms of talent it makes sense but I wouldn't do that trade because 1) our second best player plays the pg spot and 2) we would be stuck watching Wesley, wright of Barton start at sf.

Soulyss · Post #60 » by **Soulyss** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:46 am

Oden2 wrote:
HoopsFanAZ wrote:Though Batum is my favorite player and I'm a fan of Love's game …

MINN: Love to Suns / receive Batum + T.Robinson
PHX: Bledsoe + Tucker to Blazers / receive Love
PTD: Batum + Robinson to Wolves / receive Bledsoe + Tucker (if he hasn't signed, yet)

Olshey raved about Bledsoe and reports down here suggested the knees are fine.
Anytime there's a scope there's reason for concern, but no reports that cartilage was a significant red flag.

In terms of talent it makes sense but I wouldn't do that trade because 1) our second best player plays the pg spot and 2) we would be stuck watching Wesley, wright of Barton start at sf.

Agreed, it's probably a fair "talent" deal, for Portland (although I don't think that MINN is getting enough for Love) but it makes no sense to pair Bledsoe up with Lillard.