CJ TRADE IDEAS

BlazersBroncos · Post #41 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:59 pm

I am still a fan of the simple CJ for Harris swap. Then use DJJ and Little or a pick to go after Sato, who can be our 2nd unit facilitator and has the size to play next to Simons (Who plays SG/shooter but defends PG). Sign Zach to the QO, sign Melo + RHJ to VM deals, get Mo back cheap. Sign Boban for the matchups.

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons
G - Norman Powell / Tomas Satoransky
F - Robert Covington / Mo Harkless / Rhondae Hollis-Jefferson
F - Tobias Harris / Carmelo Anthony / Rhondae Hollis-Jefferson
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Zach Collins / Boban

Better and more well rounded IMO.

Beteo · Post #42 » by **Beteo** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:42 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:I am still a fan of the simple CJ for Harris swap. Then use DJJ and Little or a pick to go after Sato, who can be our 2nd unit facilitator and has the size to play next to Simons (Who plays SG/shooter but defends PG). Sign Zach to the QO, sign Melo + RHJ to VM deals, get Mo back cheap. Sign Boban for the matchups.

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons
G - Norman Powell / Tomas Satoransky
F - Robert Covington / Mo Harkless / Rhondae Hollis-Jefferson
F - Tobias Harris / Carmelo Anthony / Rhondae Hollis-Jefferson
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Zach Collins / Boban

Better and more well rounded IMO.

I like that. Looks good and I think Harris would be a real nice fit. I think he, some kind, underperformed in Philly (even if his stats were quite good). Maybe underperformed is the wrong word - but I think he could help Blazers more compared to Philly (just a feeling).

BlazersBroncos · Post #43 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:54 pm

I like that. Looks good and I think Harris would be a real nice fit. I think he, some kind, underperformed in Philly (even if his stats were quite good). Maybe underperformed is the wrong word - but I think he could help Blazers more compared to Philly (just a feeling).

Ya, its not a super team but its alot more balanced.

Powell back to his natural spot.
RoCo and Harris as big forwards to match up with the large western talents there.
ZC replacing Kanter as a mobile, stretchy big who can play PO minutes
Sato as a bench ballhandler to compliment the scoring Simons
Hark as a utility forward who creates unique defensive depth at F w/ RHJ
Boban because he is Harris's BFF but also I actually like using guys like him situationally.
Melo back to supplement bench scoring.

Its alot of moves to make the team more balanced. I think its reasonably realistic and a clear improvement.

JasonStern · Post #44 » by **JasonStern** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:06 pm

I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of disappointed Blazers fans when Olshey loses Powell in free agency, keeps the main core together, and lands Isaac Bonga as his big off-season acquisition.

Norm2953 · Post #45 » by **Norm2953** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:14 pm

I just hope the team does not saddle whoever is the new coach with a team that they can't effectively
coach. Think about the strengths and weaknesses of the new coach and make proper moves to help
that coach win in their first year or else you are just setting that new coach up to fail. Truly stupid
to make moves without first thinking about the new coach.

b33nine · Post #46 » by **b33nine** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:21 pm

JasonStern wrote:I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of disappointed Blazers fans when Olshey loses Powell in free agency, keeps the main core together, and lands Isaac Bonga as his big off-season acquisition.

Man, I would be so dissapointed without a roster shake-up this offseason, but you're right in that we should expect to lose Powell and just end up running it back. Olshey will try to convince us that Simons developing another year and Collins coming back will fix all our problems. We need some Trader Bob energy this summer in the worst way.

BlazersBroncos · Post #47 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:13 pm

I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of disappointed Blazers fans when Olshey loses Powell in free agency, keeps the main core together, and lands Isaac Bonga as his big off-season acquisition.

This is what I expect deep down. I also expect that Dame quietly asks to be shopped next offseason once we get a R1 boot again.

Post #48 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:05 pm

JasonStern wrote:I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of disappointed Blazers fans when Olshey loses Powell in free agency, keeps the main core together, and lands Isaac Bonga as his big off-season acquisition.

How dare you.

Waynearchetype · Post #49 » by **Waynearchetype** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:19 pm

JasonStern wrote:I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of disappointed Blazers fans when Olshey loses Powell in free agency, keeps the main core together, and lands Isaac Bonga as his big off-season acquisition.

It needs topped off with a declining mediocre player that we will overpay for, but that sounds about right (and is the exact reason Olshey has to go...)

DusterBuster · Post #50 » by **DusterBuster** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:40 pm

The Sebastian Express wrote:
JasonStern wrote:I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of disappointed Blazers fans when Olshey loses Powell in free agency, keeps the main core together, and lands Isaac Bonga as his big off-season acquisition.

How dare you.

I hear he has tremendous upside. *olshey voice*

JasonStern · Post #51 » by **JasonStern** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:32 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
The Sebastian Express wrote:
JasonStern wrote:I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of disappointed Blazers fans when Olshey loses Powell in free agency, keeps the main core together, and lands Isaac Bonga as his big off-season acquisition.

How dare you.

I hear he has tremendous upside. *olshey voice*

Look, we'd all love to retain Norm and land a DeMar DeRozan in free agency. But with the cap situation as it is, that was never going to happen. What everyone forgets about Isaac Bonga is he's just 21 years old. Started 49 games for the Wizards a year ago. Great size and length for a perimeter player, either as a point forward or a combo forward. Gives us a lot of what we would have got making a move for Simmons. Versatile player who can play from point guard to small forward. Very good defensive rebounder. Has all the necessary tools to become a great defender. He could really play that Kyle Anderson role for us. And as always, I'd like to thank Jody Allen for continuing to support my Portland Trail Blazers.

BlazersBroncos · Post #52 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:05 am

For all the Bonga jokes, I actually would take a flyer on him for the VM assuming we bring him in like RHJ, as a 'whatever he gives is a bonus' type reclamation project.

But knowing NO he will be given the BAE to replace Norm and become our next Super Mario.

JasonStern · Post #53 » by **JasonStern** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:05 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:For all the Bonga jokes, I actually would take a flyer on him for the VM assuming we bring him in like RHJ, as a 'whatever he gives is a bonus' type reclamation project.

But knowing NO he will be given the BAE to replace Norm and become our next Super Mario.

I'd rather re-sign RHJ. And having two zero-offense situational defensive 3/4s seems rather redundant.

But if we're talking about veteran minimum contracts to fill out the roster, I'd love to see the Blazers bring back Melo, Hood, and shockingly Whiteside - with Melo hopefully being the only player that consistently gets minutes.

Case2012 · Post #54 » by **Case2012** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:27 pm

I wonder what CJ and Nurk can bring back... Never seen a center miss so many lay ups in my life. Not to mention he can't hit a jump shot to save his life. His defense is massively overrated and he's about to get over paid. The occasional 20 20 game is cool and all but his effort is wildly inconsistent. He hasn't been good since his first 2 seasons here. Whiteside and Kanter did fine at the center position and could be had for the minimum.

I wonder if we could grab Butler for that package? I know bam plays center but with his skill set and height he could probably play the 4 right?

Dame
Powell
Butler
Roco
Whiteside

I would **** with that line up. Say what you want about Whitesides defensive issues but Powell, Butler and roco make his job as a rim protector way easier. I think that's easily a top ten offense and defense.

DusterBuster · Post #55 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:43 am

Case2012 wrote:I wonder what CJ and Nurk can bring back... Never seen a center miss so many lay ups in my life. Not to mention he can't hit a jump shot to save his life. His defense is massively overrated and he's about to get over paid. The occasional 20 20 game is cool and all but his effort is wildly inconsistent. He hasn't been good since his first 2 seasons here. Whiteside and Kanter did fine at the center position and could be had for the minimum.

I wonder if we could grab Butler for that package? I know bam plays center but with his skill set and height he could probably play the 4 right?

Dame
Powell
Butler
Roco
Whiteside

I would **** with that line up. Say what you want about Whitesides defensive issues but Powell, Butler and roco make his job as a rim protector way easier. I think that's easily a top ten offense and defense.

I was all for CJ and Nurk for Harden. Quick is of the belief that Olshey did offer CJ for Harden this winter and was turned down the Houston... unclear what else may have been offered in the package to Houston tho.

FWIW, Quick also seemed to be of the belief that he thinks a CJ trade is probable, if not certain, this summer... but will probably wait til after the new coach is hired to see what they want to do from there... So who knows.

I'm with you though, I'd be interested in what a CJ and Nurk package would return. Maybe a 3 team deal of some sort, CJ to Philly, Simmons to Portland, Nurk somewhere else and then something else back to Portland.

Village Idiot · Post #56 » by **Village Idiot** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:09 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Case2012 wrote:I wonder what CJ and Nurk can bring back... Never seen a center miss so many lay ups in my life. Not to mention he can't hit a jump shot to save his life. His defense is massively overrated and he's about to get over paid. The occasional 20 20 game is cool and all but his effort is wildly inconsistent. He hasn't been good since his first 2 seasons here. Whiteside and Kanter did fine at the center position and could be had for the minimum.

I wonder if we could grab Butler for that package? I know bam plays center but with his skill set and height he could probably play the 4 right?

Dame
Powell
Butler
Roco
Whiteside

I would **** with that line up. Say what you want about Whitesides defensive issues but Powell, Butler and roco make his job as a rim protector way easier. I think that's easily a top ten offense and defense.

I was all for CJ and Nurk for Harden. Quick is of the belief that Olshey did offer CJ for Harden this winter and was turned down the Houston... unclear what else may have been offered in the package to Houston tho.

FWIW, Quick also seemed to be of the belief that he thinks a CJ trade is probable, if not certain, this summer... but will probably wait til after the new coach is hired to see what they want to do from there... So who knows.

I'm with you though, I'd be interested in what a CJ and Nurk package would return. Maybe a 3 team deal of some sort, CJ to Philly, Simmons to Portland, Nurk somewhere else and then something else back to Portland.

If we were to do CJ for Simmons there is a Nurk deal that I've proposed which Raptors fans seem like.

Nurk for Chris Boucher and Aron Baynes. I feel it is maybe a bit light for us. Any suggestions to improve it?

Boucher is a top notch shot blocker and three point shooter. He is too slight to guard bulkier centers but with Simmons, RoCo and Boucher all being able to switch onto anybody 1-5 that gives a lot of flexibility. A Lillard/Simmons pick and roll means the other three guys have to space the floor and Boucher does that much better than Nurk. I'm more worried about rebounding and defending the bigger bigs but tactically we'd be forcing their hand by drawing their big away from the basket.

Getting Baynes means we can let Kanter go

Post #57 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:53 am

Kanter and Whiteside are both totally unplayable in the post-season. It's fine to have a guy like that as insurance during the regular season for a vet min and a 3rd string but anyone watching Nurkic foul out against the Nuggets should realize we need a backup that can stay on the floor too. Hopefully Collins is that guy if he is healthy but you cannot win with dinosaurs like Whiteside and Kanter these days. Frankly I don't know how you get through a year of Whiteside and ask for some more of that, that was a painful year for me.

Beteo · Post #58 » by **Beteo** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:28 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Kanter and Whiteside are both totally unplayable in the post-season. It's fine to have a guy like that as insurance during the regular season for a vet min and a 3rd string but anyone watching Nurkic foul out against the Nuggets should realize we need a backup that can stay on the floor too. Hopefully Collins is that guy if he is healthy but you cannot win with dinosaurs like Whiteside and Kanter these days. Frankly I don't know how you get through a year of Whiteside and ask for some more of that, that was a painful year for me.

You absolutely speak the truth.

Goldbum · Post #59 » by **Goldbum** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:00 pm

CJ+ some ancillary assets for Simmons is a dream scenario for me. Hire Hammond as head coach and Play Simmons as a "Super Draymond". Give Dame more chances to come off screens and force the decense to relocate.
Dame
Powell
RoCo
Simmons
Nurk
That looks balanced and versatile. He could be the key to unlocking Ant and Nas in the 2nd unit as well. That's a TON of speed and length.

BlazersBroncos · Post #60 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:11 pm

I dont see how CJ + side assets gets us Simmons. I just cant see it. I think PHI backs up the FRP truck along w/ Simmons and aims for Beal before even picking up any Blazers call on Ben.

On the other hand I have a sneaking suspicion that CJ has more value league wide than on message boards, so who knows.